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If you fear the change of culture, it is fine to march with white nationalist, Nazis and the KKK. That is what Trump just argued.
That's not what Trump argued so much as he correctly observed that the assault on culture by the radical left is driving people towards right wing extremist groups. If you take identity politics to its logical conclusion, we end up with white people forming their own special interest groups to resist the special interest groups that have already been formed by minority factions.
I just kind of assumed she'd enjoy a little buoyancy as Trump flails around, but surprise surprise.
Also, Schumer's ready to move on.
Or as Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer told the Washington Post last month: “When you lose to somebody who has 40-percent popularity, you don’t blame other things -- Comey, Russia -- you blame yourself.”
I see we're trying to distract from something here.
All I'm seeing is the two minutes of hate broadcast on Trump in its third day. If you thought it was too tepid a denial or just fine, chances are you believe the same exact thing today as days ago.
Have you heard the primary source yet? Try listening to the man himself.
Pure nonsense. Antifa haven't been infecting Nazis with AIDS and removing the statues isn't censoring slavery, it's merely ending the celebration of it.
On August 16 2017 06:23 Jacenoob wrote: Well it is 100% true that a lot of the violence was started by a section of the counter protestors.
That is not the reports I am hearing. From all reports, it is hard to tell who started anything, but the alt-right group was hyper aggressive and screaming racial slurs as passing blacks. I do know which side murdered someone and hit 19 people with a car.
I have absolutely no opinion on the removal of the stupid statue, really. And I also do not identify with the protestors in pretty much any way. But claiming that the counter protestors were peaceful is simply very untrue, that is all. They came with bats, some wearing combat gear. Of course the horrific terror attack overshadows everything. But still, claiming that Antifa and certain other groups were peaceful is frightenly dishonest. They came for violence.
You should have an opinion on removing said statue not for what it represents but censoring history is wrong. USA is suffering from heavy partisanship from the left as democrats in power that are guilty of their history want to censor it. If you remove history its bound to repeat itself, is that what you all want? Trumps winning of the election, the formation of the alt right are all because of this PC, partisanship nonsense and its all due to Obama sparking the division. Appeasement never works and thats all Obama ever did was appease terrorist orgs and people because it calmed their hurt feelings. I even heard he invited the man who dead cops from BLM(another terrorist org) into the white house. History is grotesque and we should never forget it, if you dont like it LEAVE THE USA. We arent china, we dont censor to appease the power and feelings of the capitalist communist collective. Get a grip on reality people. USA is a constitutional republic never forget it.
As for ANIFTA yet another terrorist org supported by partisan politicians.
They not only use bats but they throw feces bombs. urine bags and are known to carry around knives and needles to infect people with HIV. The disfranchised whites(nazi, white nationalist, civic nationalist, whatever) we there to support their own right to exist and to protect history itself, even having a permit for it. The mayor ordered the police to stand down 30 minutes before the rally was scheduled to commence which allowed both radical left and right group to meet in order to give reason to cancel the event. The mayor is to blame for this fiasco, the mayor is to blame for the unfortunate death in the car accident which may or may not be murder but rather manslaughter. Trump is 100% correct today in everything he said stop playing sides and respect everyones right to protest.
It's like you skipped the past 20 pages and jumped straight to the end. That's cheating. Go back and read everything that was said and try your luck again.
That feeling when you're told you're a piece of shit by an even bigger piece of shit. Guy bitches to George Washington for feeding once when he himself is 0/7.
On August 16 2017 07:15 KwarK wrote: Pure nonsense. Antifa haven't been infecting Nazis with AIDS and removing the statues isn't censoring slavery, it's merely ending the celebration of it.
Wait, is this a real thing? Are they actually infecting people with AIDS? I can't read if this part is sarcasm
On August 16 2017 06:23 Jacenoob wrote: Well it is 100% true that a lot of the violence was started by a section of the counter protestors.
That is not the reports I am hearing. From all reports, it is hard to tell who started anything, but the alt-right group was hyper aggressive and screaming racial slurs as passing blacks. I do know which side murdered someone and hit 19 people with a car.
I have absolutely no opinion on the removal of the stupid statue, really. And I also do not identify with the protestors in pretty much any way. But claiming that the counter protestors were peaceful is simply very untrue, that is all. They came with bats, some wearing combat gear. Of course the horrific terror attack overshadows everything. But still, claiming that Antifa and certain other groups were peaceful is frightenly dishonest. They came for violence.
You should have an opinion on removing said statue not for what it represents but censoring history is wrong. USA is suffering from heavy partisanship from the left as democrats in power that are guilty of their history want to censor it. If you remove history its bound to repeat itself, is that what you all want? Trumps winning of the election, the formation of the alt right are all because of this PC, partisanship nonsense and its all due to Obama sparking the division. Appeasement never works and thats all Obama ever did was appease terrorist orgs and people because it calmed their hurt feelings. I even heard he invited the man who dead cops from BLM(another terrorist org) into the white house. History is grotesque and we should never forget it, if you dont like it LEAVE THE USA. We arent china, we dont censor to appease the power and feelings of the capitalist communist collective. Get a grip on reality people. USA is a constitutional republic never forget it.
I taught US history. They can remove that statue, we won't forget Lee. He also isn't really worth all the celebration compared to other US historical figures. Plus, that statue was put up in the Jim Crow era, when the south was super nice to blacks, so it can be removed and given proper context in a museum.
On August 16 2017 07:15 KwarK wrote: Pure nonsense. Antifa haven't been infecting Nazis with AIDS and removing the statues isn't censoring slavery, it's merely ending the celebration of it.
Wait, is this a real thing? Are they actually infecting people with AIDS? I can't read if this part is sarcasm
There's a history of the Feds doing some pretty fucked up shit to black people. So yes, this is more than likely true, all in order to quell the black race into an even more minority race in the US.
On August 16 2017 07:15 KwarK wrote: Pure nonsense. Antifa haven't been infecting Nazis with AIDS and removing the statues isn't censoring slavery, it's merely ending the celebration of it.
Wait, is this a real thing? Are they actually infecting people with AIDS? I can't read if this part is sarcasm
No, he has been drinking the T_D Kool-aid to hard. That is pure fiction.
On August 16 2017 07:15 KwarK wrote: Pure nonsense. Antifa haven't been infecting Nazis with AIDS and removing the statues isn't censoring slavery, it's merely ending the celebration of it.
Wait, is this a real thing? Are they actually infecting people with AIDS? I can't read if this part is sarcasm
Of course it's not a real thing. It's the paranoid insane delusions of noidberg who appears to be the incestuous child of infowars and /r/t_d. But it is a real thing he believes.
On August 16 2017 07:15 KwarK wrote: Pure nonsense. Antifa haven't been infecting Nazis with AIDS and removing the statues isn't censoring slavery, it's merely ending the celebration of it.
Wait, is this a real thing? Are they actually infecting people with AIDS? I can't read if this part is sarcasm
Of course it's not a real thing. It's the paranoid insane delusions of noidberg who appears to be the incestuous child of infowars and /r/t_d. But it is a real thing he believes.
I assumed he was full of it, but then you resaid it and I couldn't tell if it was sarcasm. Thanks for setting me straight
On August 16 2017 02:11 Wulfey_LA wrote: Did anyone already post the VICE NEWS video that had all the primary source reporting of what the Nazis in Charlotseville had to say? If you watch the primary sources doing the talking, then DJT's efforts to spin and equivocate and blame many sides becomes even more monstrous. The white pride crew came there for violence and hate. If you are still spinning for Trump here, that makes you an enabler. EDIT: seriously, why are people still trying to spin Trump's equivocation for these guys? If you watch the video, there can be no equivocation. There are no "many sides" here.
Good stuff, quite intense.
What I don't get from the video: Is that Christopher Cantwell an influential figure? Or just a fringe stormfront lunatic? (every country has some of those unfortunately) That's some dangerous stuff he spouts. Clearly embracing violence as a way of means.
On August 16 2017 02:11 Wulfey_LA wrote: Did anyone already post the VICE NEWS video that had all the primary source reporting of what the Nazis in Charlotseville had to say? If you watch the primary sources doing the talking, then DJT's efforts to spin and equivocate and blame many sides becomes even more monstrous. The white pride crew came there for violence and hate. If you are still spinning for Trump here, that makes you an enabler. EDIT: seriously, why are people still trying to spin Trump's equivocation for these guys? If you watch the video, there can be no equivocation. There are no "many sides" here.
What I don't get from the video: Is that Christopher Cantwell an influential figure? Or just a fringe stormfront lunatic? (every country has some of those unfortunately) That's some dangerous stuff he spouts. Clearly embracing violence as a way of means.
This was spot on. And I'm not a big Olbermann fan
EDIT TO MY ABOVE POST: I took KwarK's statement as an allegory to what happened to blacks in this country. I may have been off. If so, please disregard.
On August 16 2017 06:23 Jacenoob wrote: Well it is 100% true that a lot of the violence was started by a section of the counter protestors.
That is not the reports I am hearing. From all reports, it is hard to tell who started anything, but the alt-right group was hyper aggressive and screaming racial slurs as passing blacks. I do know which side murdered someone and hit 19 people with a car.
I have absolutely no opinion on the removal of the stupid statue, really. And I also do not identify with the protestors in pretty much any way. But claiming that the counter protestors were peaceful is simply very untrue, that is all. They came with bats, some wearing combat gear. Of course the horrific terror attack overshadows everything. But still, claiming that Antifa and certain other groups were peaceful is frightenly dishonest. They came for violence.
That's not what he said and you know it. This idea that because there were counter-protesters who either started scuffles or fought back is equal or as important as the person who was part of the "Unite the Right" rally running over 20 people, killing 1 is wrong. They're not the same.
Of course the terror attack on a young woman and many others overshadows everything. It was still only one unstable person from thousands on both sides. It could have just as easily been a counter protestor who snaps. Maybe next time it will be. Does that then make the counter protestors the baddies? The hatred is unbearable and there is nothing that makes violence from one side better than from the other side.
The Nazis and KKK members are literally the worst and they do commit the most crimes, but that doesn't mean that the left does not also have a massive violence and extremism problem that it likes to ignore.
On August 16 2017 06:23 Jacenoob wrote: Well it is 100% true that a lot of the violence was started by a section of the counter protestors.
That is not the reports I am hearing. From all reports, it is hard to tell who started anything, but the alt-right group was hyper aggressive and screaming racial slurs as passing blacks. I do know which side murdered someone and hit 19 people with a car.
I have absolutely no opinion on the removal of the stupid statue, really. And I also do not identify with the protestors in pretty much any way. But claiming that the counter protestors were peaceful is simply very untrue, that is all. They came with bats, some wearing combat gear. Of course the horrific terror attack overshadows everything. But still, claiming that Antifa and certain other groups were peaceful is frightenly dishonest. They came for violence.
You should have an opinion on removing said statue not for what it represents but censoring history is wrong. USA is suffering from heavy partisanship from the left as democrats in power that are guilty of their history want to censor it. If you remove history its bound to repeat itself, is that what you all want? Trumps winning of the election, the formation of the alt right are all because of this PC, partisanship nonsense and its all due to Obama sparking the division. Appeasement never works and thats all Obama ever did was appease terrorist orgs and people because it calmed their hurt feelings. I even heard he invited the man who dead cops from BLM(another terrorist org) into the white house. History is grotesque and we should never forget it, if you dont like it LEAVE THE USA. We arent china, we dont censor to appease the power and feelings of the capitalist communist collective. Get a grip on reality people. USA is a constitutional republic never forget it.
I taught US history. They can remove that statue, we won't forget Lee. He also isn't really worth all the celebration compared to other US historical figures. Plus, that statue was put up in the Jim Crow era, when the south was super nice to blacks, so it can be removed and given proper context in a museum.
Then lets have proper discourse and not allow protests to turn violent. You have to admit partisan politicians are guilty of this whether right or left. Theres no excuse to order the police to stand down and cause people to die to make political statement. Also the next day a statue remembering the dead confederate soldiers was torn, yes torn down and again the police did nothing.
When will when the law crack down on these thugs? People want a civil war?
On August 16 2017 06:23 Jacenoob wrote: Well it is 100% true that a lot of the violence was started by a section of the counter protestors.
That is not the reports I am hearing. From all reports, it is hard to tell who started anything, but the alt-right group was hyper aggressive and screaming racial slurs as passing blacks. I do know which side murdered someone and hit 19 people with a car.
I have absolutely no opinion on the removal of the stupid statue, really. And I also do not identify with the protestors in pretty much any way. But claiming that the counter protestors were peaceful is simply very untrue, that is all. They came with bats, some wearing combat gear. Of course the horrific terror attack overshadows everything. But still, claiming that Antifa and certain other groups were peaceful is frightenly dishonest. They came for violence.
That's not what he said and you know it. This idea that because there were counter-protesters who either started scuffles or fought back is equal or as important as the person who was part of the "Unite the Right" rally running over 20 people, killing 1 is wrong. They're not the same.
Of course the terror attack on a young woman and many others overshadows everything. It was still only one unstable person from thousands on both sides. It could have just as easily been a counter protestor who snaps. Maybe next time it will be. Does that then make the counter protestors the baddies? The hatred is unbearable and there is nothing that makes violence from one side better than from the other side.
The Nazis and KKK members are literally the worst and they do commit the most crimes, but that doesn't mean that the left does not also have a massive violence and extremism problem that it likes to ignore.
Can you give me two examples of the left being as despicable as the right? I haven't seen it outside of some rare instances (Dallas). The other few times, the BLM movement was co-opted to give them more voice, but BLM spoke out against them immediately afterwards.
Or as Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer told the Washington Post last month: “When you lose to somebody who has 40-percent popularity, you don’t blame other things -- Comey, Russia -- you blame yourself.”
I see we're trying to distract from something here.
All I'm seeing is the two minutes of hate broadcast on Trump in its third day. If you thought it was too tepid a denial or just fine, chances are you believe the same exact thing today as days ago.
Have you heard the primary source yet? Try listening to the man himself.
Yeah I grabbed all twenty three minutes. Infrastructure . I'm counting three condemnations by name? Like the previous statement. Basically, as I said, it's the two minutes of hate, stupid binaries on Antifa/Neonazi/WhiteSupremacists, and you're going to come out of the followup with the same opinion you had going in. And xDaunt already laid down the basic perspective from "worthless virtue signalling" to "Both were looking to start shit" to the mayor and even threw in the culture wars backdrop for free.
If you can't wrap your head around ideas totally in opposition to yours, I'd suggest you reread his posts. You should really be applauding his patience and informative content.
And for Trump, that was a good press conference. Like, I see everyone soundbiting the hell out of it, but that's basically him at his best. I'm really wondering if he gets the cultural backdrop (the war on statues will not end with Lee & Jackson) or was just well-briefed by a competent adviser previously to answer accurately and regularly to the several reporter questions.
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. I'm counting three condemnations by name? Like the previous statement. Basically, as I said, it's the two minutes of hate, stupid binaries on Antifa/Neonazi/WhiteSupremacists, and you're going to come out of the followup with the same opinion you had going in. And xDaunt already laid down the basic perspective from "worthless virtue signalling" to "Both were looking to start shit" to the mayor and even threw in the culture wars backdrop for free. 
