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On August 16 2017 02:11 Wulfey_LA wrote: Did anyone already post the VICE NEWS video that had all the primary source reporting of what the Nazis in Charlotseville had to say? If you watch the primary sources doing the talking, then DJT's efforts to spin and equivocate and blame many sides becomes even more monstrous. The white pride crew came there for violence and hate. If you are still spinning for Trump here, that makes you an enabler. EDIT: seriously, why are people still trying to spin Trump's equivocation for these guys? If you watch the video, there can be no equivocation. There are no "many sides" here.
Good stuff, quite intense.
What I don't get from the video: Is that Christopher Cantwell an influential figure? Or just a fringe stormfront lunatic? (every country has some of those unfortunately) That's some dangerous stuff he spouts. Clearly embracing violence as a way of means.
Speaking of violence as a way of means ... the organizers have a history. Turns out the Identity Evropa leader was instrumental in getting the Berkeley clashes going. He was the guy who punched women in the head to get fights started. As the VICE video shows, and as this discussion about Nathan Damigo shows, the racist side is going there to start fights with college kids. As much shit as all the conservative side posters say about antifa, I am starting to buy antifa's arguments that if they weren't there, then more college kids would be getting beaten. If the racists saw that the kids were weak, you know these shithead bullies would beat more of them.
Why run up and punch a grown man in the head who is wearing protective clothing when you can be like Nathan Damigo and sucker punch an unprotected woman?
Before white nationalists protested in Charlottesville over the weekend, before a man allegedly plowed a car into a group of people killing one and injuring 19, violent clashes in Berkeley offered a window into the motives and tactics of Identity Evropa, one of the white supremacist groups intimately involved in both protests.
For leaders of this white nationalist movement, the April 15 “Battle of Berkeley” was a self-described test run to see just how far they could push the bounds of protesting, according to numerous public statements from members of the white supremacist movement.
Nathan Damigo is a founder of the California-based Identity Evropa, profiled by El Tecolote newspaper in December. A former Marine infantryman and convicted felon who lives in Stanislaus County, Damigo is believed to have helped lead the Charlottesville protest, along with other white supremacists rallies around the country. Damigo has made these rallies a key driver for recruiting new members of the group.
The Holocaust Memorial in Boston has been vandalized for the second time in less than two months, police say.
Police say one person is in custody for vandalizing the Holocaust Memorial Monday evening.
holocaust memorial vandalism 2Expand / Collapse The memorial had been vandalized less than two months ago, according to police. (Christine McCarthy/WFXT) A witness tells Boston 25 News someone threw a rock at the memorial, shattering the glass. Police have not released any information on the person in custody.
It was just over a month and a half ago when the memorial was vandalized. A 21-year-old from Roxbury was arrested and charged for that destruction
I just kind of assumed she'd enjoy a little buoyancy as Trump flails around, but surprise surprise.
Also, Schumer's ready to move on.
Or as Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer told the Washington Post last month: “When you lose to somebody who has 40-percent popularity, you don’t blame other things -- Comey, Russia -- you blame yourself.”
and yet somehow, you aren't able to move on.
Trump must be doing a good job. Your thoughts?
that is an unfounded conclusion; please provide a foundation for it.
On August 16 2017 06:23 Jacenoob wrote: Well it is 100% true that a lot of the violence was started by a section of the counter protestors.
That is not the reports I am hearing. From all reports, it is hard to tell who started anything, but the alt-right group was hyper aggressive and screaming racial slurs as passing blacks. I do know which side murdered someone and hit 19 people with a car.
I have absolutely no opinion on the removal of the stupid statue, really. And I also do not identify with the protestors in pretty much any way. But claiming that the counter protestors were peaceful is simply very untrue, that is all. They came with bats, some wearing combat gear. Of course the horrific terror attack overshadows everything. But still, claiming that Antifa and certain other groups were peaceful is frightenly dishonest. They came for violence.
You should have an opinion on removing said statue not for what it represents but censoring history is wrong. USA is suffering from heavy partisanship from the left as democrats in power that are guilty of their history want to censor it. If you remove history its bound to repeat itself, is that what you all want? Trumps winning of the election, the formation of the alt right are all because of this PC, partisanship nonsense and its all due to Obama sparking the division. Appeasement never works and thats all Obama ever did was appease terrorist orgs and people because it calmed their hurt feelings. I even heard he invited the man who dead cops from BLM(another terrorist org) into the white house. History is grotesque and we should never forget it, if you dont like it LEAVE THE USA. We arent china, we dont censor to appease the power and feelings of the capitalist communist collective. Get a grip on reality people. USA is a constitutional republic never forget it.
I taught US history. They can remove that statue, we won't forget Lee. He also isn't really worth all the celebration compared to other US historical figures. Plus, that statue was put up in the Jim Crow era, when the south was super nice to blacks, so it can be removed and given proper context in a museum.
Then lets have proper discourse and not allow protests to turn violent. You have to admit partisan politicians are guilty of this whether right or left. Theres no excuse to order the police to stand down and cause people to die to make political statement. Also the next day a statue remembering the dead confederate soldiers was torn, yes torn down and again the police did nothing.
When will when the law crack down on these thugs? People want a civil war?
The proper discourse was happening. The problem was that the remove side was winning. So the out of town nazi/kkk group showed up to do what Nazi skin heads and the KKK have always done. They don't like it when democracy doesn't go their way. That is why the civil war happened. The anti slavery party took power.
And the people who took down that statue were arrested.
On August 16 2017 06:23 Jacenoob wrote: Well it is 100% true that a lot of the violence was started by a section of the counter protestors.
That is not the reports I am hearing. From all reports, it is hard to tell who started anything, but the alt-right group was hyper aggressive and screaming racial slurs as passing blacks. I do know which side murdered someone and hit 19 people with a car.
I have absolutely no opinion on the removal of the stupid statue, really. And I also do not identify with the protestors in pretty much any way. But claiming that the counter protestors were peaceful is simply very untrue, that is all. They came with bats, some wearing combat gear. Of course the horrific terror attack overshadows everything. But still, claiming that Antifa and certain other groups were peaceful is frightenly dishonest. They came for violence.
That's not what he said and you know it. This idea that because there were counter-protesters who either started scuffles or fought back is equal or as important as the person who was part of the "Unite the Right" rally running over 20 people, killing 1 is wrong. They're not the same.
Of course the terror attack on a young woman and many others overshadows everything. It was still only one unstable person from thousands on both sides. It could have just as easily been a counter protestor who snaps. Maybe next time it will be. Does that then make the counter protestors the baddies? The hatred is unbearable and there is nothing that makes violence from one side better than from the other side.
The Nazis and KKK members are literally the worst and they do commit the most crimes, but that doesn't mean that the left does not also have a massive violence and extremism problem that it likes to ignore.
Can you give me two examples of the left being as despicable as the right? I haven't seen it outside of some rare instances (Dallas). The other few times, the BLM movement was co-opted to give them more voice, but BLM spoke out against them immediately afterwards.
Well it is not a contest, and being as despicable as a KKK member is basically impossible. What that also means is that being "not as despicable as them" is no achievement. For two examples of leftist violence take setting Hamburg on fire recently as organized violence or the 2017 Congressional baseball shooting as a terror attack.
On August 16 2017 07:15 KwarK wrote: Pure nonsense. Antifa haven't been infecting Nazis with AIDS and removing the statues isn't censoring slavery, it's merely ending the celebration of it.
Wait, is this a real thing? Are they actually infecting people with AIDS? I can't read if this part is sarcasm
Of course it's not a real thing. It's the paranoid insane delusions of noidberg who appears to be the incestuous child of infowars and /r/t_d. But it is a real thing he believes.
Please ive been following these radical left groups for months and not only know their deep history and george soros fundage but all their dirty tricks as well. Hmm also i forgot to mention they use hydrochloric acid and mace against people which is a felony.
On August 16 2017 06:23 Jacenoob wrote: Well it is 100% true that a lot of the violence was started by a section of the counter protestors.
That is not the reports I am hearing. From all reports, it is hard to tell who started anything, but the alt-right group was hyper aggressive and screaming racial slurs as passing blacks. I do know which side murdered someone and hit 19 people with a car.
I have absolutely no opinion on the removal of the stupid statue, really. And I also do not identify with the protestors in pretty much any way. But claiming that the counter protestors were peaceful is simply very untrue, that is all. They came with bats, some wearing combat gear. Of course the horrific terror attack overshadows everything. But still, claiming that Antifa and certain other groups were peaceful is frightenly dishonest. They came for violence.
That's not what he said and you know it. This idea that because there were counter-protesters who either started scuffles or fought back is equal or as important as the person who was part of the "Unite the Right" rally running over 20 people, killing 1 is wrong. They're not the same.
Of course the terror attack on a young woman and many others overshadows everything. It was still only one unstable person from thousands on both sides. It could have just as easily been a counter protestor who snaps. Maybe next time it will be. Does that then make the counter protestors the baddies? The hatred is unbearable and there is nothing that makes violence from one side better than from the other side.
The Nazis and KKK members are literally the worst and they do commit the most crimes, but that doesn't mean that the left does not also have a massive violence and extremism problem that it likes to ignore.
Do the counter protesters shout Nazi slogans, talk about white supremacy or genocide against other races? It wasn't a counter-protester who ran into people. It was a Unite the Right protester, one seen prominently with them, whose facebook page is full of similar memes, statements and articles from the alt-right. You're trying to wave him off as just some crazy person. He was influenced by these Unite the Right protesters. There are many supporters and organizers of that rally supporting the man or happy he did it.
You are attempting to make both sides equal to each other. The rhetoric from the protesters at the Unite the Right rally was overwhelmingly violent, racist, homophobic and dangerous. Did fights break out between both groups, of course, but to say that means they're exactly the same is wrong. One side is talking about forcefully and violently taking back their country or making America great again. One side is calling for white supremacy, calling for genocide, espousing hate for media and anyone who disagrees with them. That's the Unite the Right rally. Counter-protesters and the left aren't even close. The only thing you could even call on is Antifa. Antifa is a loosely organized group that's more or less just up for causing chaos. Is it wrong, yeah when they destroy property, no duh. But they're not calling for the same things as the white supremacists and neo-nazis. What massive violence and extremism problem do you believe is being ignored? Where's your proof? And if the left has that problem, then the right has an even bigger problem with the white supremacists and neo-nazis since these rallies have been filled with hateful, violent rhetoric with supporters preparing for civil war and threatening those they disagree with.
On August 16 2017 06:23 Jacenoob wrote: Well it is 100% true that a lot of the violence was started by a section of the counter protestors.
That is not the reports I am hearing. From all reports, it is hard to tell who started anything, but the alt-right group was hyper aggressive and screaming racial slurs as passing blacks. I do know which side murdered someone and hit 19 people with a car.
I have absolutely no opinion on the removal of the stupid statue, really. And I also do not identify with the protestors in pretty much any way. But claiming that the counter protestors were peaceful is simply very untrue, that is all. They came with bats, some wearing combat gear. Of course the horrific terror attack overshadows everything. But still, claiming that Antifa and certain other groups were peaceful is frightenly dishonest. They came for violence.
That's not what he said and you know it. This idea that because there were counter-protesters who either started scuffles or fought back is equal or as important as the person who was part of the "Unite the Right" rally running over 20 people, killing 1 is wrong. They're not the same.
Of course the terror attack on a young woman and many others overshadows everything. It was still only one unstable person from thousands on both sides. It could have just as easily been a counter protestor who snaps. Maybe next time it will be. Does that then make the counter protestors the baddies? The hatred is unbearable and there is nothing that makes violence from one side better than from the other side.
The Nazis and KKK members are literally the worst and they do commit the most crimes, but that doesn't mean that the left does not also have a massive violence and extremism problem that it likes to ignore.
Can you give me two examples of the left being as despicable as the right? I haven't seen it outside of some rare instances (Dallas). The other few times, the BLM movement was co-opted to give them more voice, but BLM spoke out against them immediately afterwards.
Well it is not a contest, and being as despicable as a KKK member is basically impossible. What that also means is that being "not as despicable as them" is no achievement. For two examples of leftist violence take setting Hamburg on fire recently as organized violence or the 2017 Congressional baseball shooting as a terror attack.
Hamburg: We're discussing US politics and extrmeist acts in the US. Not applicable.
Baseball Shooting: Go look up the time it happened, the time when Sanders made a statement, and the content of that statement.
On August 16 2017 02:11 Wulfey_LA wrote: Did anyone already post the VICE NEWS video that had all the primary source reporting of what the Nazis in Charlotseville had to say? If you watch the primary sources doing the talking, then DJT's efforts to spin and equivocate and blame many sides becomes even more monstrous. The white pride crew came there for violence and hate. If you are still spinning for Trump here, that makes you an enabler. EDIT: seriously, why are people still trying to spin Trump's equivocation for these guys? If you watch the video, there can be no equivocation. There are no "many sides" here.
What I don't get from the video: Is that Christopher Cantwell an influential figure? Or just a fringe stormfront lunatic? (every country has some of those unfortunately) That's some dangerous stuff he spouts. Clearly embracing violence as a way of means.
It was amazing to me that he said he watched the video and saw a car surrounded by protesters who were attacking the car so the driver had to attempt to move through the crowd of people attacking the car and the protesters who got hit were just too stupid to get out of the way.
The right live in a completely different reality to the rest of us.
On August 16 2017 06:23 Jacenoob wrote: Well it is 100% true that a lot of the violence was started by a section of the counter protestors.
That is not the reports I am hearing. From all reports, it is hard to tell who started anything, but the alt-right group was hyper aggressive and screaming racial slurs as passing blacks. I do know which side murdered someone and hit 19 people with a car.
I have absolutely no opinion on the removal of the stupid statue, really. And I also do not identify with the protestors in pretty much any way. But claiming that the counter protestors were peaceful is simply very untrue, that is all. They came with bats, some wearing combat gear. Of course the horrific terror attack overshadows everything. But still, claiming that Antifa and certain other groups were peaceful is frightenly dishonest. They came for violence.
You should have an opinion on removing said statue not for what it represents but censoring history is wrong. USA is suffering from heavy partisanship from the left as democrats in power that are guilty of their history want to censor it. If you remove history its bound to repeat itself, is that what you all want? Trumps winning of the election, the formation of the alt right are all because of this PC, partisanship nonsense and its all due to Obama sparking the division. Appeasement never works and thats all Obama ever did was appease terrorist orgs and people because it calmed their hurt feelings. I even heard he invited the man who dead cops from BLM(another terrorist org) into the white house. History is grotesque and we should never forget it, if you dont like it LEAVE THE USA. We arent china, we dont censor to appease the power and feelings of the capitalist communist collective. Get a grip on reality people. USA is a constitutional republic never forget it.
I taught US history. They can remove that statue, we won't forget Lee. He also isn't really worth all the celebration compared to other US historical figures. Plus, that statue was put up in the Jim Crow era, when the south was super nice to blacks, so it can be removed and given proper context in a museum.
Then lets have proper discourse and not allow protests to turn violent. You have to admit partisan politicians are guilty of this whether right or left. Theres no excuse to order the police to stand down and cause people to die to make political statement. Also the next day a statue remembering the dead confederate soldiers was torn, yes torn down and again the police did nothing.
When will when the law crack down on these thugs? People want a civil war?
The proper discourse was happening. The problem was that the remove side was winning. So the out of town nazi/kkk group showed up to do what Nazi skin heads and the KKK have always done. They don't like it when democracy doesn't go their way. That is why the civil war happened. The anti slavery party took power.
And the people who took down that statue were arrested.
Yeah but its their right to do so. And the left says worse in media outlets and does worse with their hired radical goon squads. And im aware if the right was in power it would be opposite land. As for the civil war i can say with absolute certainty the cause of the war was not about slavery. All wars are bankers wars and it was about the north taxing the south which infringes upon their states rights. The untied states itself would never revolted if not for such a high tax on the colonies. So I know slavery is a subject that makes people feel horrible but there is a bigger picture here.
On August 16 2017 07:15 KwarK wrote: Pure nonsense. Antifa haven't been infecting Nazis with AIDS and removing the statues isn't censoring slavery, it's merely ending the celebration of it.
Wait, is this a real thing? Are they actually infecting people with AIDS? I can't read if this part is sarcasm
Of course it's not a real thing. It's the paranoid insane delusions of noidberg who appears to be the incestuous child of infowars and /r/t_d. But it is a real thing he believes.
Please ive been following these radical left groups for months and not only know their deep history and george soros fundage but all their dirty tricks as well. Hmm also i forgot to mention they use hydrochloric acid and mace against people which is a felony.
Cite one example of a Nazi who was deliberately infected by a needlestick from antifa.
On August 16 2017 07:15 KwarK wrote: Pure nonsense. Antifa haven't been infecting Nazis with AIDS and removing the statues isn't censoring slavery, it's merely ending the celebration of it.
Wait, is this a real thing? Are they actually infecting people with AIDS? I can't read if this part is sarcasm
Of course it's not a real thing. It's the paranoid insane delusions of noidberg who appears to be the incestuous child of infowars and /r/t_d. But it is a real thing he believes.
Please ive been following these radical left groups for months and not only know their deep history and george soros fundage but all their dirty tricks as well. Hmm also i forgot to mention they use hydrochloric acid and mace against people which is a felony.
On August 16 2017 06:23 Jacenoob wrote: Well it is 100% true that a lot of the violence was started by a section of the counter protestors.
That is not the reports I am hearing. From all reports, it is hard to tell who started anything, but the alt-right group was hyper aggressive and screaming racial slurs as passing blacks. I do know which side murdered someone and hit 19 people with a car.
I have absolutely no opinion on the removal of the stupid statue, really. And I also do not identify with the protestors in pretty much any way. But claiming that the counter protestors were peaceful is simply very untrue, that is all. They came with bats, some wearing combat gear. Of course the horrific terror attack overshadows everything. But still, claiming that Antifa and certain other groups were peaceful is frightenly dishonest. They came for violence.
You should have an opinion on removing said statue not for what it represents but censoring history is wrong. USA is suffering from heavy partisanship from the left as democrats in power that are guilty of their history want to censor it. If you remove history its bound to repeat itself, is that what you all want? Trumps winning of the election, the formation of the alt right are all because of this PC, partisanship nonsense and its all due to Obama sparking the division. Appeasement never works and thats all Obama ever did was appease terrorist orgs and people because it calmed their hurt feelings. I even heard he invited the man who dead cops from BLM(another terrorist org) into the white house. History is grotesque and we should never forget it, if you dont like it LEAVE THE USA. We arent china, we dont censor to appease the power and feelings of the capitalist communist collective. Get a grip on reality people. USA is a constitutional republic never forget it.
I taught US history. They can remove that statue, we won't forget Lee. He also isn't really worth all the celebration compared to other US historical figures. Plus, that statue was put up in the Jim Crow era, when the south was super nice to blacks, so it can be removed and given proper context in a museum.
Then lets have proper discourse and not allow protests to turn violent. You have to admit partisan politicians are guilty of this whether right or left. Theres no excuse to order the police to stand down and cause people to die to make political statement. Also the next day a statue remembering the dead confederate soldiers was torn, yes torn down and again the police did nothing.
When will when the law crack down on these thugs? People want a civil war?
The proper discourse was happening. The problem was that the remove side was winning. So the out of town nazi/kkk group showed up to do what Nazi skin heads and the KKK have always done. They don't like it when democracy doesn't go their way. That is why the civil war happened. The anti slavery party took power.
And the people who took down that statue were arrested.
Yeah but its their right to do so. And the left says worse in media outlets and does worse with their hired radical goon squads. And im aware if the right was in power it would be opposite land. As for the civil war i can say with absolute certainty the cause of the war was not about slavery. All wars are bankers wars and it was about the north taxing the south which infringes upon their states rights. The untied states itself would never revolted if not for such a high tax on the colonies. So I know slavery is a subject that makes people feel horrible but there is a bigger picture here.
The civil war was 110% about slavery. The people involved all said so at the time.
Or as Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer told the Washington Post last month: “When you lose to somebody who has 40-percent popularity, you don’t blame other things -- Comey, Russia -- you blame yourself.”
and yet somehow, you aren't able to move on.
Trump must be doing a good job. Your thoughts?
that is an unfounded conclusion; please provide a foundation for it.
Usually, the loser of a Presidential election gets a nice little approval bounce. Historically, this is the case. As Clinton's book gets ready to hit the shelves in three weeks, we see her unfavorables still sky high.
Hell, only Putin is worse liked in Bloomberg's head to head.
So what's the reason, Mr. Zlefin. You will be helped by actually reading the article if you continue to have trouble finding the foundation.
On August 16 2017 07:15 KwarK wrote: Pure nonsense. Antifa haven't been infecting Nazis with AIDS and removing the statues isn't censoring slavery, it's merely ending the celebration of it.
Also, no partisan politician in the US supports antifa, not even tacictly or jokingly like Trump does white supremacists.
On August 16 2017 07:15 KwarK wrote: Pure nonsense. Antifa haven't been infecting Nazis with AIDS and removing the statues isn't censoring slavery, it's merely ending the celebration of it.
Wait, is this a real thing? Are they actually infecting people with AIDS? I can't read if this part is sarcasm
Of course it's not a real thing. It's the paranoid insane delusions of noidberg who appears to be the incestuous child of infowars and /r/t_d. But it is a real thing he believes.
At work someone today was convinced that the Fed had lost 7 trillion dollars and that Obama had used it as a slush fund. I rolled my eyes and resisted screaming about fake news.
Or as Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer told the Washington Post last month: “When you lose to somebody who has 40-percent popularity, you don’t blame other things -- Comey, Russia -- you blame yourself.”
and yet somehow, you aren't able to move on.
Trump must be doing a good job. Your thoughts?
that is an unfounded conclusion; please provide a foundation for it.
Usually, the loser of a Presidential election gets a nice little approval bounce. Historically, this is the case. As Clinton's book gets ready to hit the shelves in three weeks, we see her unfavorables still sky high.
Hell, only Putin is worse liked in Bloomberg's head to head.
So what's the reason, Mr. Zlefin. You will be helped by actually reading the article if you continue to have trouble finding the foundation.
that doesn't establish that trump is doing a good job. so you've failed to your prove your point in the slightest. it would indicate clinton is doing a bad job; but that's a different discussion, and not the claim you made. so i'm correct, you have no foundation for your nonsense claim, and when asked to come up with one, deflect to hillary. becaues you can't let it go. the logical assumption is the only way your mind can accept how bad it was to favor trump is by constantly deflecting to hillary and claiming without any sound basis that she was worse.
On August 16 2017 07:41 TheYango wrote: I'm not sure why someone halfway across the country thinks they deserve a say in what happens to a statue in Durham anyway.
Hell, why are we empowering a fringe white supremacist group by nationalizing a statue controversy in another city most of the country couldn't find on a map. Bloodsport.
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