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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-15 23:28:43
August 15 2017 23:27 GMT
#168421
Do we literally do nazi propaganda on tl now or how is that channel allowed here? Btw I can't even watch it, the channel is so extremist that the video is blocked over here
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
August 15 2017 23:29 GMT
#168422
I pity the mod that is going to have to clean this thread up.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42630 Posts
August 15 2017 23:29 GMT
#168423
On August 16 2017 08:27 Nyxisto wrote:
Do we literally do nazi propaganda on tl now or how is that channel allowed here? Btw I can't even watch that video, the channel is so extremist that the video is blocked over here

You heard Danglars. If we do something about the Nazis then we'd have to stop GH talking about police brutality. It's the same.
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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
August 15 2017 23:30 GMT
#168424
If I try to access his twitter I get referred to this

https://support.twitter.com/articles/20169222

Jeez that's never happened before Matt, congrats
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 15 2017 23:30 GMT
#168425
On August 16 2017 08:03 Noidberg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2017 07:53 KwarK wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:41 Noidberg wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:21 KwarK wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:16 IyMoon wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:15 KwarK wrote:
Pure nonsense. Antifa haven't been infecting Nazis with AIDS and removing the statues isn't censoring slavery, it's merely ending the celebration of it.


Wait, is this a real thing? Are they actually infecting people with AIDS? I can't read if this part is sarcasm

Of course it's not a real thing. It's the paranoid insane delusions of noidberg who appears to be the incestuous child of infowars and /r/t_d. But it is a real thing he believes.

Please ive been following these radical left groups for months and not only know their deep history and george soros fundage but all their dirty tricks as well. Hmm also i forgot to mention they use hydrochloric acid and mace against people which is a felony.

Cite one example of a Nazi who was deliberately infected by a needlestick from antifa.

Infected? The chance is low so i dont know if it germinated. They did however boast about using infected needles on twitter a few months ago.

Show nested quote +
On August 16 2017 07:54 Mohdoo wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:41 Noidberg wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:21 KwarK wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:16 IyMoon wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:15 KwarK wrote:
Pure nonsense. Antifa haven't been infecting Nazis with AIDS and removing the statues isn't censoring slavery, it's merely ending the celebration of it.


Wait, is this a real thing? Are they actually infecting people with AIDS? I can't read if this part is sarcasm

Of course it's not a real thing. It's the paranoid insane delusions of noidberg who appears to be the incestuous child of infowars and /r/t_d. But it is a real thing he believes.

Please ive been following these radical left groups for months and not only know their deep history and george soros fundage but all their dirty tricks as well. Hmm also i forgot to mention they use hydrochloric acid and mace against people which is a felony.


You ever read /r/the_donald?

Not much anymore. Sometimes i enter to grab a link or a headline to an article.
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2017 07:54 KwarK wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:52 Noidberg wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:39 Plansix wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:30 Noidberg wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:18 Plansix wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:11 Noidberg wrote:
On August 16 2017 06:50 Jacenoob wrote:
On August 16 2017 06:32 Plansix wrote:
On August 16 2017 06:23 Jacenoob wrote:
Well it is 100% true that a lot of the violence was started by a section of the counter protestors.

That is not the reports I am hearing. From all reports, it is hard to tell who started anything, but the alt-right group was hyper aggressive and screaming racial slurs as passing blacks. I do know which side murdered someone and hit 19 people with a car.


I have absolutely no opinion on the removal of the stupid statue, really. And I also do not identify with the protestors in pretty much any way. But claiming that the counter protestors were peaceful is simply very untrue, that is all. They came with bats, some wearing combat gear. Of course the horrific terror attack overshadows everything. But still, claiming that Antifa and certain other groups were peaceful is frightenly dishonest. They came for violence.

For example watch this:

https://streamable.com/svxcr



You should have an opinion on removing said statue not for what it represents but censoring history is wrong. USA is suffering from heavy partisanship from the left as democrats in power that are guilty of their history want to censor it. If you remove history its bound to repeat itself, is that what you all want? Trumps winning of the election, the formation of the alt right are all because of this PC, partisanship nonsense and its all due to Obama sparking the division. Appeasement never works and thats all Obama ever did was appease terrorist orgs and people because it calmed their hurt feelings. I even heard he invited the man who dead cops from BLM(another terrorist org) into the white house. History is grotesque and we should never forget it, if you dont like it LEAVE THE USA. We arent china, we dont censor to appease the power and feelings of the capitalist communist collective. Get a grip on reality people. USA is a constitutional republic never forget it.

I taught US history. They can remove that statue, we won't forget Lee. He also isn't really worth all the celebration compared to other US historical figures. Plus, that statue was put up in the Jim Crow era, when the south was super nice to blacks, so it can be removed and given proper context in a museum.

Then lets have proper discourse and not allow protests to turn violent. You have to admit partisan politicians are guilty of this whether right or left. Theres no excuse to order the police to stand down and cause people to die to make political statement. Also the next day a statue remembering the dead confederate soldiers was torn, yes torn down and again the police did nothing.



When will when the law crack down on these thugs? People want a civil war?

The proper discourse was happening. The problem was that the remove side was winning. So the out of town nazi/kkk group showed up to do what Nazi skin heads and the KKK have always done. They don't like it when democracy doesn't go their way. That is why the civil war happened. The anti slavery party took power.

And the people who took down that statue were arrested.

Yeah but its their right to do so. And the left says worse in media outlets and does worse with their hired radical goon squads. And im aware if the right was in power it would be opposite land. As for the civil war i can say with absolute certainty the cause of the war was not about slavery. All wars are bankers wars and it was about the north taxing the south which infringes upon their states rights. The untied states itself would never revolted if not for such a high tax on the colonies. So I know slavery is a subject that makes people feel horrible but there is a bigger picture here.

The civil war was 110% about slavery. The people involved all said so at the time.

People can say and believe what they want but all wars are bankers wars.

No, it was about slavery. Revisionist history to justify killing millions to defend slavery won't change that. But it is very Jackson and Jefferson to blame the banks, which is in keeping with the cultural traditions of the South.
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Odawg27
Profile Joined January 2011
United States191 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-15 23:32:25
August 15 2017 23:30 GMT
#168426
On August 16 2017 08:14 Jacenoob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2017 07:44 Odawg27 wrote:
Do the counter protesters shout Nazi slogans, talk about white supremacy or genocide against other races?


Sure these slogans were despicable and the right / conservatives really need to oust those who support these ideas. But I did not deny that. Whatever the counter protestors shout, it also does not justify violence.

Show nested quote +
On August 16 2017 07:44 Odawg27 wrote:
It wasn't a counter-protester who ran into people. It was a Unite the Right protester, one seen prominently with them, whose facebook page is full of similar memes, statements and articles from the alt-right. You're trying to wave him off as just some crazy person. He was influenced by these Unite the Right protesters. There are many supporters and organizers of that rally supporting the man or happy he did it.


See that is the point. Of course he was a crazy person. But last time it was whe baseball shooter who was also influenced by left memes about how all Repulicans are evil racists trying to destroy the country. What else is there to do other than to wave him off as a crazy person, too? And yes there were also people who supported the shooting, and not too few.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/14/terminate-the-republican-party-followers-celebrate/

Show nested quote +
On August 16 2017 07:44 Odawg27 wrote:
You are attempting to make both sides equal to each other. The rhetoric from the protesters at the Unite the Right rally was overwhelmingly violent, racist, homophobic and dangerous. Did fights break out between both groups, of course, but to say that means they're exactly the same is wrong. One side is talking about forcefully and violently taking back their country or making America great again. One side is calling for white supremacy, calling for genocide, espousing hate for media and anyone who disagrees with them. That's the Unite the Right rally. Counter-protesters and the left aren't even close. The only thing you could even call on is Antifa. Antifa is a loosely organized group that's more or less just up for causing chaos. Is it wrong, yeah when they destroy property, no duh. But they're not calling for the same things as the white supremacists and neo-nazis. What massive violence and extremism problem do you believe is being ignored? Where's your proof? And if the left has that problem, then the right has an even bigger problem with the white supremacists and neo-nazis since these rallies have been filled with hateful, violent rhetoric with supporters preparing for civil war and threatening those they disagree with.


My point is NOT to make both sides equal. Morally of course the KKK and the Nazis are worse than Antifa. My point is that the constant apologetic and almost complete ignoring of left-wing violence is bad. In that one point Trump was certainly right to call out the media for not covering it nearly enough. The violence in Charlestonville did come from both sides. The counter protestors were armed and in combat gear and they used their bats and it was not just a small minority that behaved like that.


Not covered enough by the media? Are we living in the same reality? It was covered ad nauseam on all news networks. The politicians on both sides, especially the left, condemned the action and did what President Trump didn't. They didn't talk about how terrible the other side was with their violent tendencies or problems. They condemned and shut down violence from their side.

That story doesn't contain much. Yeah it's a terrible facebook group name with 15,000 followers. But I can find just as bad or worse from the right/neo-nazi/white supremacists. There's also no mention in the article of the group being happy about it. The one post quoted is a joke (a terrible joke that shouldn't have been made). But there's no mention of celebration or posting about they were proud of him. If it is, show it to me from that facebook page.

Ignoring violence is wrong. We agree there. Trump and his White House have called out the media for not fairly covering lots of things. And a number of them have been wrong that they weren't covered. The violence didn't just come from both sides. One side held a rally which featured vile, hateful rhetoric. Another side came to protest that. Where are your photos or video of proof about all the armed counter-protesters? If it wasn't a minority there should be a lot of video and pictures. There is evidence of all the neo-nazis and white supremacists beating people, attacking people and running people over with a car.
And then.... Trumpets
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42630 Posts
August 15 2017 23:31 GMT
#168427
On August 16 2017 08:30 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2017 08:03 Noidberg wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:53 KwarK wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:41 Noidberg wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:21 KwarK wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:16 IyMoon wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:15 KwarK wrote:
Pure nonsense. Antifa haven't been infecting Nazis with AIDS and removing the statues isn't censoring slavery, it's merely ending the celebration of it.


Wait, is this a real thing? Are they actually infecting people with AIDS? I can't read if this part is sarcasm

Of course it's not a real thing. It's the paranoid insane delusions of noidberg who appears to be the incestuous child of infowars and /r/t_d. But it is a real thing he believes.

Please ive been following these radical left groups for months and not only know their deep history and george soros fundage but all their dirty tricks as well. Hmm also i forgot to mention they use hydrochloric acid and mace against people which is a felony.

Cite one example of a Nazi who was deliberately infected by a needlestick from antifa.

Infected? The chance is low so i dont know if it germinated. They did however boast about using infected needles on twitter a few months ago.

On August 16 2017 07:54 Mohdoo wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:41 Noidberg wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:21 KwarK wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:16 IyMoon wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:15 KwarK wrote:
Pure nonsense. Antifa haven't been infecting Nazis with AIDS and removing the statues isn't censoring slavery, it's merely ending the celebration of it.


Wait, is this a real thing? Are they actually infecting people with AIDS? I can't read if this part is sarcasm

Of course it's not a real thing. It's the paranoid insane delusions of noidberg who appears to be the incestuous child of infowars and /r/t_d. But it is a real thing he believes.

Please ive been following these radical left groups for months and not only know their deep history and george soros fundage but all their dirty tricks as well. Hmm also i forgot to mention they use hydrochloric acid and mace against people which is a felony.


You ever read /r/the_donald?

Not much anymore. Sometimes i enter to grab a link or a headline to an article.
On August 16 2017 07:54 KwarK wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:52 Noidberg wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:39 Plansix wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:30 Noidberg wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:18 Plansix wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:11 Noidberg wrote:
On August 16 2017 06:50 Jacenoob wrote:
On August 16 2017 06:32 Plansix wrote:
[quote]
That is not the reports I am hearing. From all reports, it is hard to tell who started anything, but the alt-right group was hyper aggressive and screaming racial slurs as passing blacks. I do know which side murdered someone and hit 19 people with a car.


I have absolutely no opinion on the removal of the stupid statue, really. And I also do not identify with the protestors in pretty much any way. But claiming that the counter protestors were peaceful is simply very untrue, that is all. They came with bats, some wearing combat gear. Of course the horrific terror attack overshadows everything. But still, claiming that Antifa and certain other groups were peaceful is frightenly dishonest. They came for violence.

For example watch this:

https://streamable.com/svxcr



You should have an opinion on removing said statue not for what it represents but censoring history is wrong. USA is suffering from heavy partisanship from the left as democrats in power that are guilty of their history want to censor it. If you remove history its bound to repeat itself, is that what you all want? Trumps winning of the election, the formation of the alt right are all because of this PC, partisanship nonsense and its all due to Obama sparking the division. Appeasement never works and thats all Obama ever did was appease terrorist orgs and people because it calmed their hurt feelings. I even heard he invited the man who dead cops from BLM(another terrorist org) into the white house. History is grotesque and we should never forget it, if you dont like it LEAVE THE USA. We arent china, we dont censor to appease the power and feelings of the capitalist communist collective. Get a grip on reality people. USA is a constitutional republic never forget it.

I taught US history. They can remove that statue, we won't forget Lee. He also isn't really worth all the celebration compared to other US historical figures. Plus, that statue was put up in the Jim Crow era, when the south was super nice to blacks, so it can be removed and given proper context in a museum.

Then lets have proper discourse and not allow protests to turn violent. You have to admit partisan politicians are guilty of this whether right or left. Theres no excuse to order the police to stand down and cause people to die to make political statement. Also the next day a statue remembering the dead confederate soldiers was torn, yes torn down and again the police did nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPYGmFpaPt4

When will when the law crack down on these thugs? People want a civil war?

The proper discourse was happening. The problem was that the remove side was winning. So the out of town nazi/kkk group showed up to do what Nazi skin heads and the KKK have always done. They don't like it when democracy doesn't go their way. That is why the civil war happened. The anti slavery party took power.

And the people who took down that statue were arrested.

Yeah but its their right to do so. And the left says worse in media outlets and does worse with their hired radical goon squads. And im aware if the right was in power it would be opposite land. As for the civil war i can say with absolute certainty the cause of the war was not about slavery. All wars are bankers wars and it was about the north taxing the south which infringes upon their states rights. The untied states itself would never revolted if not for such a high tax on the colonies. So I know slavery is a subject that makes people feel horrible but there is a bigger picture here.

The civil war was 110% about slavery. The people involved all said so at the time.

People can say and believe what they want but all wars are bankers wars.

No, it was about slavery. Revisionist history to justify killing millions to defend slavery won't change that. But it is very Jackson and Jefferson to blame the banks, which is in keeping with the cultural traditions of the South.

You give him far, far too much credit. He's blaming the (((bankers))).
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
August 15 2017 23:33 GMT
#168428
On August 16 2017 07:52 Noidberg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2017 07:39 Plansix wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:30 Noidberg wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:18 Plansix wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:11 Noidberg wrote:
On August 16 2017 06:50 Jacenoob wrote:
On August 16 2017 06:32 Plansix wrote:
On August 16 2017 06:23 Jacenoob wrote:
Well it is 100% true that a lot of the violence was started by a section of the counter protestors.

That is not the reports I am hearing. From all reports, it is hard to tell who started anything, but the alt-right group was hyper aggressive and screaming racial slurs as passing blacks. I do know which side murdered someone and hit 19 people with a car.


I have absolutely no opinion on the removal of the stupid statue, really. And I also do not identify with the protestors in pretty much any way. But claiming that the counter protestors were peaceful is simply very untrue, that is all. They came with bats, some wearing combat gear. Of course the horrific terror attack overshadows everything. But still, claiming that Antifa and certain other groups were peaceful is frightenly dishonest. They came for violence.

For example watch this:

https://streamable.com/svxcr




You should have an opinion on removing said statue not for what it represents but censoring history is wrong. USA is suffering from heavy partisanship from the left as democrats in power that are guilty of their history want to censor it. If you remove history its bound to repeat itself, is that what you all want? Trumps winning of the election, the formation of the alt right are all because of this PC, partisanship nonsense and its all due to Obama sparking the division. Appeasement never works and thats all Obama ever did was appease terrorist orgs and people because it calmed their hurt feelings. I even heard he invited the man who dead cops from BLM(another terrorist org) into the white house. History is grotesque and we should never forget it, if you dont like it LEAVE THE USA. We arent china, we dont censor to appease the power and feelings of the capitalist communist collective. Get a grip on reality people. USA is a constitutional republic never forget it.

I taught US history. They can remove that statue, we won't forget Lee. He also isn't really worth all the celebration compared to other US historical figures. Plus, that statue was put up in the Jim Crow era, when the south was super nice to blacks, so it can be removed and given proper context in a museum.

Then lets have proper discourse and not allow protests to turn violent. You have to admit partisan politicians are guilty of this whether right or left. Theres no excuse to order the police to stand down and cause people to die to make political statement. Also the next day a statue remembering the dead confederate soldiers was torn, yes torn down and again the police did nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPYGmFpaPt4

When will when the law crack down on these thugs? People want a civil war?

The proper discourse was happening. The problem was that the remove side was winning. So the out of town nazi/kkk group showed up to do what Nazi skin heads and the KKK have always done. They don't like it when democracy doesn't go their way. That is why the civil war happened. The anti slavery party took power.

And the people who took down that statue were arrested.

Yeah but its their right to do so. And the left says worse in media outlets and does worse with their hired radical goon squads. And im aware if the right was in power it would be opposite land. As for the civil war i can say with absolute certainty the cause of the war was not about slavery. All wars are bankers wars and it was about the north taxing the south which infringes upon their states rights. The untied states itself would never revolted if not for such a high tax on the colonies. So I know slavery is a subject that makes people feel horrible but there is a bigger picture here.

There is no 'states' right' that is infringed by taxation.
The argument during the revolutionary war was about representation, not over-taxation. Taxes were actually reasonable.
Noidberg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States17 Posts
August 15 2017 23:34 GMT
#168429
On August 16 2017 08:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:
So are you still backing Trump Noidberg? You can spread all the fantasies you want, but Trump is the President. You still spin for him or what?

No fantasy, no spin. Trump is a rational actor in a world of political correctness and turmoil. I support him even more today coming out against both left and right radical groups. Trump just wants america first in a world looking to end us. We all need to come together and realize this. Its 2017 and we are having problems with free speech? Its all so surreal.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-15 23:39:22
August 15 2017 23:35 GMT
#168430
On August 16 2017 08:31 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2017 08:30 Plansix wrote:
On August 16 2017 08:03 Noidberg wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:53 KwarK wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:41 Noidberg wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:21 KwarK wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:16 IyMoon wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:15 KwarK wrote:
Pure nonsense. Antifa haven't been infecting Nazis with AIDS and removing the statues isn't censoring slavery, it's merely ending the celebration of it.


Wait, is this a real thing? Are they actually infecting people with AIDS? I can't read if this part is sarcasm

Of course it's not a real thing. It's the paranoid insane delusions of noidberg who appears to be the incestuous child of infowars and /r/t_d. But it is a real thing he believes.

Please ive been following these radical left groups for months and not only know their deep history and george soros fundage but all their dirty tricks as well. Hmm also i forgot to mention they use hydrochloric acid and mace against people which is a felony.

Cite one example of a Nazi who was deliberately infected by a needlestick from antifa.

Infected? The chance is low so i dont know if it germinated. They did however boast about using infected needles on twitter a few months ago.

On August 16 2017 07:54 Mohdoo wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:41 Noidberg wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:21 KwarK wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:16 IyMoon wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:15 KwarK wrote:
Pure nonsense. Antifa haven't been infecting Nazis with AIDS and removing the statues isn't censoring slavery, it's merely ending the celebration of it.


Wait, is this a real thing? Are they actually infecting people with AIDS? I can't read if this part is sarcasm

Of course it's not a real thing. It's the paranoid insane delusions of noidberg who appears to be the incestuous child of infowars and /r/t_d. But it is a real thing he believes.

Please ive been following these radical left groups for months and not only know their deep history and george soros fundage but all their dirty tricks as well. Hmm also i forgot to mention they use hydrochloric acid and mace against people which is a felony.


You ever read /r/the_donald?

Not much anymore. Sometimes i enter to grab a link or a headline to an article.
On August 16 2017 07:54 KwarK wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:52 Noidberg wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:39 Plansix wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:30 Noidberg wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:18 Plansix wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:11 Noidberg wrote:
On August 16 2017 06:50 Jacenoob wrote:
[quote]

I have absolutely no opinion on the removal of the stupid statue, really. And I also do not identify with the protestors in pretty much any way. But claiming that the counter protestors were peaceful is simply very untrue, that is all. They came with bats, some wearing combat gear. Of course the horrific terror attack overshadows everything. But still, claiming that Antifa and certain other groups were peaceful is frightenly dishonest. They came for violence.

For example watch this:

https://streamable.com/svxcr



You should have an opinion on removing said statue not for what it represents but censoring history is wrong. USA is suffering from heavy partisanship from the left as democrats in power that are guilty of their history want to censor it. If you remove history its bound to repeat itself, is that what you all want? Trumps winning of the election, the formation of the alt right are all because of this PC, partisanship nonsense and its all due to Obama sparking the division. Appeasement never works and thats all Obama ever did was appease terrorist orgs and people because it calmed their hurt feelings. I even heard he invited the man who dead cops from BLM(another terrorist org) into the white house. History is grotesque and we should never forget it, if you dont like it LEAVE THE USA. We arent china, we dont censor to appease the power and feelings of the capitalist communist collective. Get a grip on reality people. USA is a constitutional republic never forget it.

I taught US history. They can remove that statue, we won't forget Lee. He also isn't really worth all the celebration compared to other US historical figures. Plus, that statue was put up in the Jim Crow era, when the south was super nice to blacks, so it can be removed and given proper context in a museum.

Then lets have proper discourse and not allow protests to turn violent. You have to admit partisan politicians are guilty of this whether right or left. Theres no excuse to order the police to stand down and cause people to die to make political statement. Also the next day a statue remembering the dead confederate soldiers was torn, yes torn down and again the police did nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPYGmFpaPt4

When will when the law crack down on these thugs? People want a civil war?

The proper discourse was happening. The problem was that the remove side was winning. So the out of town nazi/kkk group showed up to do what Nazi skin heads and the KKK have always done. They don't like it when democracy doesn't go their way. That is why the civil war happened. The anti slavery party took power.

And the people who took down that statue were arrested.

Yeah but its their right to do so. And the left says worse in media outlets and does worse with their hired radical goon squads. And im aware if the right was in power it would be opposite land. As for the civil war i can say with absolute certainty the cause of the war was not about slavery. All wars are bankers wars and it was about the north taxing the south which infringes upon their states rights. The untied states itself would never revolted if not for such a high tax on the colonies. So I know slavery is a subject that makes people feel horrible but there is a bigger picture here.

The civil war was 110% about slavery. The people involved all said so at the time.

People can say and believe what they want but all wars are bankers wars.

No, it was about slavery. Revisionist history to justify killing millions to defend slavery won't change that. But it is very Jackson and Jefferson to blame the banks, which is in keeping with the cultural traditions of the South.

You give him far, far too much credit. He's blaming the (((bankers))).

Oh, those bankers. He should call them rootless cosmopolitan war profiteers.
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TL+ Member
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
August 15 2017 23:36 GMT
#168431
On August 16 2017 08:08 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2017 08:03 Noidberg wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:54 KwarK wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:52 Noidberg wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:39 Plansix wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:30 Noidberg wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:18 Plansix wrote:
On August 16 2017 07:11 Noidberg wrote:
On August 16 2017 06:50 Jacenoob wrote:
On August 16 2017 06:32 Plansix wrote:
[quote]
That is not the reports I am hearing. From all reports, it is hard to tell who started anything, but the alt-right group was hyper aggressive and screaming racial slurs as passing blacks. I do know which side murdered someone and hit 19 people with a car.


I have absolutely no opinion on the removal of the stupid statue, really. And I also do not identify with the protestors in pretty much any way. But claiming that the counter protestors were peaceful is simply very untrue, that is all. They came with bats, some wearing combat gear. Of course the horrific terror attack overshadows everything. But still, claiming that Antifa and certain other groups were peaceful is frightenly dishonest. They came for violence.

For example watch this:

https://streamable.com/svxcr



You should have an opinion on removing said statue not for what it represents but censoring history is wrong. USA is suffering from heavy partisanship from the left as democrats in power that are guilty of their history want to censor it. If you remove history its bound to repeat itself, is that what you all want? Trumps winning of the election, the formation of the alt right are all because of this PC, partisanship nonsense and its all due to Obama sparking the division. Appeasement never works and thats all Obama ever did was appease terrorist orgs and people because it calmed their hurt feelings. I even heard he invited the man who dead cops from BLM(another terrorist org) into the white house. History is grotesque and we should never forget it, if you dont like it LEAVE THE USA. We arent china, we dont censor to appease the power and feelings of the capitalist communist collective. Get a grip on reality people. USA is a constitutional republic never forget it.

I taught US history. They can remove that statue, we won't forget Lee. He also isn't really worth all the celebration compared to other US historical figures. Plus, that statue was put up in the Jim Crow era, when the south was super nice to blacks, so it can be removed and given proper context in a museum.

Then lets have proper discourse and not allow protests to turn violent. You have to admit partisan politicians are guilty of this whether right or left. Theres no excuse to order the police to stand down and cause people to die to make political statement. Also the next day a statue remembering the dead confederate soldiers was torn, yes torn down and again the police did nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPYGmFpaPt4

When will when the law crack down on these thugs? People want a civil war?

The proper discourse was happening. The problem was that the remove side was winning. So the out of town nazi/kkk group showed up to do what Nazi skin heads and the KKK have always done. They don't like it when democracy doesn't go their way. That is why the civil war happened. The anti slavery party took power.

And the people who took down that statue were arrested.

Yeah but its their right to do so. And the left says worse in media outlets and does worse with their hired radical goon squads. And im aware if the right was in power it would be opposite land. As for the civil war i can say with absolute certainty the cause of the war was not about slavery. All wars are bankers wars and it was about the north taxing the south which infringes upon their states rights. The untied states itself would never revolted if not for such a high tax on the colonies. So I know slavery is a subject that makes people feel horrible but there is a bigger picture here.

The civil war was 110% about slavery. The people involved all said so at the time.

People can say and believe what they want but all wars are bankers wars.

We've been needing this perspective to balance GH's (and more recently Wulfey's) for a while now. Our thread American right of the aisle representation has been lacking the equivalent flavor of crazy.

GH may be kidna extreme, but he doesn't seem to be at the Noidberg level of crazy from what i've seen; least not that I recall, and seeing as I don't much like gh i'd expect to recall having complaind about such.
so mostly that just makes you look worse danglars.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 15 2017 23:38 GMT
#168432
On August 16 2017 08:34 Noidberg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2017 08:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:
So are you still backing Trump Noidberg? You can spread all the fantasies you want, but Trump is the President. You still spin for him or what?

No fantasy, no spin. Trump is a rational actor in a world of political correctness and turmoil. I support him even more today coming out against both left and right radical groups. Trump just wants america first in a world looking to end us. We all need to come together and realize this. Its 2017 and we are having problems with free speech? Its all so surreal.

No we really don't have problems with free speech. Only Nazis that use free speech as a cover to carry out violent acts.
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TL+ Member
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 15 2017 23:39 GMT
#168433
i don't agree with GH, but i wouldn't be referring him to mental health resources.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-15 23:43:33
August 15 2017 23:41 GMT
#168434
On August 16 2017 08:27 Nyxisto wrote:
Do we literally do nazi propaganda on tl now or how is that channel allowed here? Btw I can't even watch it, the channel is so extremist that the video is blocked over here

We are in the darkest time line right now:



Also this.



Reporters who were there Saturday are pushing back on Trumps narrative.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Noidberg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States17 Posts
August 15 2017 23:43 GMT
#168435
On August 16 2017 08:38 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2017 08:34 Noidberg wrote:
On August 16 2017 08:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:
So are you still backing Trump Noidberg? You can spread all the fantasies you want, but Trump is the President. You still spin for him or what?

No fantasy, no spin. Trump is a rational actor in a world of political correctness and turmoil. I support him even more today coming out against both left and right radical groups. Trump just wants america first in a world looking to end us. We all need to come together and realize this. Its 2017 and we are having problems with free speech? Its all so surreal.

No we really don't have problems with free speech. Only Nazis that use free speech as a cover to carry out violent acts.

What violent acts? You think because international socialism won WW2 people who believe in national socialism can not have their voice heard? Give me a break.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-15 23:51:59
August 15 2017 23:50 GMT
#168436
On August 16 2017 08:43 Noidberg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2017 08:38 Plansix wrote:
On August 16 2017 08:34 Noidberg wrote:
On August 16 2017 08:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:
So are you still backing Trump Noidberg? You can spread all the fantasies you want, but Trump is the President. You still spin for him or what?

No fantasy, no spin. Trump is a rational actor in a world of political correctness and turmoil. I support him even more today coming out against both left and right radical groups. Trump just wants america first in a world looking to end us. We all need to come together and realize this. Its 2017 and we are having problems with free speech? Its all so surreal.

No we really don't have problems with free speech. Only Nazis that use free speech as a cover to carry out violent acts.

What violent acts? You think because international socialism won WW2 people who believe in national socialism can not have their voice heard? Give me a break.

Fascism isn't socialism. Nazis are fascist. I known is says socialism in their name and that is confusing, but fascism is different. That is one of the many clever tricks Nazis used to get in power, their tricky party name. Fascism is anti democratic and not viable in a democracy. I know this is all very confusing, but the internet taught you wrong.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
August 15 2017 23:51 GMT
#168437
On August 16 2017 08:34 Noidberg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2017 08:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:
So are you still backing Trump Noidberg? You can spread all the fantasies you want, but Trump is the President. You still spin for him or what?

No fantasy, no spin. Trump is a rational actor in a world of political correctness and turmoil. I support him even more today coming out against both left and right radical groups. Trump just wants america first in a world looking to end us. We all need to come together and realize this. Its 2017 and we are having problems with free speech? Its all so surreal.

Why do you think the 'world' is looking to 'end you'?

Also calling Trump a rational actor lol, the guy can't go one week without contradicting his own words
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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
August 15 2017 23:52 GMT
#168438
On August 16 2017 08:43 Noidberg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2017 08:38 Plansix wrote:
On August 16 2017 08:34 Noidberg wrote:
On August 16 2017 08:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:
So are you still backing Trump Noidberg? You can spread all the fantasies you want, but Trump is the President. You still spin for him or what?

No fantasy, no spin. Trump is a rational actor in a world of political correctness and turmoil. I support him even more today coming out against both left and right radical groups. Trump just wants america first in a world looking to end us. We all need to come together and realize this. Its 2017 and we are having problems with free speech? Its all so surreal.

No we really don't have problems with free speech. Only Nazis that use free speech as a cover to carry out violent acts.

What violent acts? You think because international socialism won WW2 people who believe in national socialism can not have their voice heard? Give me a break.


this is a whole new level of craziness for this thread
Noidberg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States17 Posts
August 15 2017 23:54 GMT
#168439
On August 16 2017 08:29 WolfintheSheep wrote:
I pity the mod that is going to have to clean this thread up.

What are you talking about? Theres no propaganda here only the truth shown in a world of political correctness that wants to hide it from you.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42630 Posts
August 15 2017 23:54 GMT
#168440
On August 16 2017 08:52 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2017 08:43 Noidberg wrote:
On August 16 2017 08:38 Plansix wrote:
On August 16 2017 08:34 Noidberg wrote:
On August 16 2017 08:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:
So are you still backing Trump Noidberg? You can spread all the fantasies you want, but Trump is the President. You still spin for him or what?

No fantasy, no spin. Trump is a rational actor in a world of political correctness and turmoil. I support him even more today coming out against both left and right radical groups. Trump just wants america first in a world looking to end us. We all need to come together and realize this. Its 2017 and we are having problems with free speech? Its all so surreal.

No we really don't have problems with free speech. Only Nazis that use free speech as a cover to carry out violent acts.

What violent acts? You think because international socialism won WW2 people who believe in national socialism can not have their voice heard? Give me a break.


this is a whole new level of craziness for this thread

Yeah. And it's such a weird hill to die on. Somebody please think of the poor Nazis who aren't getting their voices properly heard.
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