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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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mozoku
United States708 Posts
On July 28 2017 00:39 KwarK wrote: Wall Street mentality. Everything is broken and mismanaged and everything really needs a top business exec to come in and shake things up because the only reason why anything is ever done the way it's done is because they haven't been told how to do it better by someone who has been to over seventy leadership seminars and can perform a solo trust fall. Ah, I was waiting for when the Wall Street boogeyman would resurface and be exposed for his role in causing of all the world's terrors! Or maybe Trump just hired wanted to hire an loyalist outsider to wage an intra-administration war, and all of his friends (or at least all of the people he respects) come from wealthy New York circles. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On July 28 2017 00:57 mozoku wrote: Ah, I was waiting for when the Wall Street boogeyman would resurface and be exposed for his role in causing of all the world's terrors! Or maybe Trump just hired wanted to hire an loyalist outsider to wage an intra-administration war, and all of his friends (or at least all of the people he respects) come from wealthy New York circles. He's not a loyalist at all though. Spent most of the past two years criticizing him | ||
KwarK
United States43529 Posts
On July 28 2017 00:57 mozoku wrote: Ah, I was waiting for when the Wall Street boogeyman would resurface and be exposed for his role in causing of all the world's terrors! Or maybe Trump just hired wanted to hire an loyalist outsider to wage an intra-administration war, and all of his friends (or at least all of the people he respects) come from wealthy New York circles. How is it a boogeyman? I'm not afraid of Wall Street, nor do I hate it. My point was that there is a tendency among certain personality types to assume that complexity only arises from inefficiency and that their ideas are obvious solutions that everyone else was too dumb to have. Also in what world does Trump hire a Clinton supporter because he needs a loyalist at his back to win this war? What are you even talking about? | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
I would feel awfully foolish if I decided to get hung up on the technicality of "leaking" an easily accessible public document. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15736 Posts
Do we really even have a good idea as to how in the hell Mooch got hired? I feel like Trump overheard him being bombastic and insulting towards a reporter once, and then thought to himself "now that's my guy". History of criticizing Trump, Clinton supporter and fits the bill of "swamp creature". One theory: Bannon performed some sort of dark magic and gave Trump the ability to take over Mooch at will. Some of the shit this guy is saying...It's like he is Trump. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45244 Posts
Thank you! | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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ShoCkeyy
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 28 2017 01:01 KwarK wrote: How is it a boogeyman? I'm not afraid of Wall Street, nor do I hate it. My point was that there is a tendency among certain personality types to assume that complexity only arises from inefficiency and that their ideas are obvious solutions that everyone else was too dumb to have. Also in what world does Trump hire a Clinton supporter because he needs a loyalist at his back to win this war? What are you even talking about? The outsider who can't understand why something is so hard and believes it is bad management or people are just stupid. Then they get in there, act like an idiot and slowly realize that there are reasons why the thing was so hard that cannot be changed. The cycle of the poorly informed outsider is eternal. | ||
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mozoku
United States708 Posts
On July 28 2017 01:01 KwarK wrote: How is it a boogeyman? I'm not afraid of Wall Street, nor do I hate it. My point was that there is a tendency among certain personality types to assume that complexity only arises from inefficiency and that their ideas are obvious solutions that everyone else was too dumb to have. Also in what world does Trump hire a Clinton supporter because he needs a loyalist at his back to win this war? What are you even talking about? And what evidence do you have that Scaramucci is that personality type? And what does it have to do with "Wall Street"? "Wall Street mentality" is literally meaningless as "Wall Street" covers everything from analysts to quants to traders to executives to investors to bankers. All of which generally have different personality types (even if we're assuming we low intra-position personality variance for some reason anyway). And even among "investors," there's a big difference between VC funds, passive fund managers, corporate raiders, etc. in their stereotypical personalities. Trump wasn't even a serious presidential candidate in 2012, so I don't see how Scaramucci's support for Clinton excludes Trump from believing he's loyal to him. Regardless, clearly Scaramucci has Trump's ear now, and Trump only hiring loyalists at this point in his presidency. He's trying to fire everyone he doesn't think is sufficiently loyal. He's not about to bring in another person who's loyalty he questions. (I in no way believe that's an appropriate way to govern btw). Especially when he brought in this person to attack other members of his administration. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On July 28 2017 01:13 Plansix wrote: The outsider who can't understand why something is so hard and believes it is bad management or people are just stupid. Then they get in there, act like an idiot and slowly realize that there are reasons why the thing was so hard that cannot be changed. The cycle of the poorly informed outsider is eternal. indeed it is; as an outsider, I at least recognize that my plan to go in and write thoughtful, rigorously sound legislation (or do similar in the executive branch)will fail pitifully, because that's not what people actually want so it won't get passed into law. the hard part isn't writing good legislation, it's getting it passed. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On July 28 2017 01:05 Mohdoo wrote: Some of the shit this guy is saying...It's like he is Trump. That is your answer. He is willing to fellate Trump to the fullest extent of the law. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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farvacola
United States18846 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On July 28 2017 01:11 ShoCkeyy wrote: I've been reading into the new "sanctions". And it seems like a looser version of what we currently have against Russian, and on top of it, it's violating our 4th Amendment with civil forfeiture once again. https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/889969892027510784 It feels like a haphazard attempt to make a statement than a well thought out plan to achieve a goal. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On July 28 2017 01:21 farvacola wrote: As someone who took a class on legislation taught by a legal scholar in the field, you're talking out of your ass zlefin. Passage process notwithstanding, writing good legislation is incredibly difficult and this truth is borne out by the multitude of Supreme Court cases that touch on the difficulty inherent to giving effect to statutory commands in a straightforward manner. Nothing about the legislative process is "easy," and laws can oftentimes turn into policy that looks nothing like the original statute. true, I am; but I stand by my claim that getting good laws passed is much harder than the writing of good laws. otherwise the budget would be balanced, and a whole lot of other nice things. writing good legislation itself may be difficult, but it's hardly impossible and should be quite feasible if oyu devote the necessary time, resources, and continuing refinement work. easy is a relative term here. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 28 2017 01:28 zlefin wrote: true, I am; but I stand by my claim that getting good laws passed is much harder than the writing of good laws. otherwise the budget would be balanced, and a whole lot of other nice things. writing good legislation itself may be difficult, but it's hardly impossible and should be quite feasible if oyu devote the necessary time, resources, and continuing refinement work. easy is a relative term here. The outsider tells the insider that the job has a simply solution that most insiders simply do not see. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On July 28 2017 01:31 Plansix wrote: The outsider tells the insider that the job has a simply solution that most insiders simply do not see. I have no idea what you're trying to say here; since the most obvious intent would be irrelevant due to what I already said; and/or redundant due to being already said and I'm assuming you're not simply repeating yourself. i.e. I'm not sure why you're replying with that statement in response to mine. | ||
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