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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-27 15:11:48
July 27 2017 15:03 GMT
#164201
On July 27 2017 22:59 Plansix wrote:


This thread is a fucking trip. I can see why Spicy quit.

Edit: The man compared his relationship if the chief of staff to the brothers, Cain and Abel. I’m not convinced he knows how that story ends.

Between all the mobster rhetoric and veiled threats there's this. Isn't this pretty much the only thing that got bipartisan support? Imagine him vetoing it



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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45244 Posts
July 27 2017 15:04 GMT
#164202
On July 27 2017 23:36 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2017 23:33 Mohdoo wrote:
Scaramucci is like if Trump and Spicer had a baby.

But Spicy rejected him! And Trump as single parent is slightly overwhelmed.


Out of curiosity, is there any information about whether or not Donald Trump was a good parent/ a part of his kids' lives? It doesn't appear like he has a role in Barron's life, but maybe in his older children's? Just wondering if he was a good father (we know he was/ is a shitty husband), and I can't find much about the idea- one way or another- besides some recent quotes from his older children while being interviewed during the election/ presidency (and so they're probably biased).
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-27 15:05:50
July 27 2017 15:04 GMT
#164203
Looks like Scaramucci also backed out of his bizarre tweet about felonies and reporting on public documents. Apparently it was supposed to just be about leaking in general (yeah, that's totally not a lie). The guy is a nutjob, but that could just be what Trump wants right now.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 27 2017 15:09 GMT
#164204
He said that these sorts of leaks would have resulted in hangings for treason too. I am now of the opinion that public employees should face some sort of charge/fine/sanction if they misstate the penalties/charges for a specific act or claims something is a crime and isn’t. This shit is just irresponsible.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 27 2017 15:12 GMT
#164205
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 27 2017 15:12 GMT
#164206
On July 28 2017 00:03 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2017 22:59 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/890529654163083264

This thread is a fucking trip. I can see why Spicy quit.

Edit: The man compared his relationship if the chief of staff to the brothers, Cain and Abel. I’m not convinced he knows how that story ends.

Between all the mobster rhetoric and veiled threats there's this. Isn't this pretty much the only thing that got bipartisan support? Imagine him vetoing it

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/890533702819880960



It's a veto proof bill....
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 27 2017 15:17 GMT
#164207
On July 28 2017 00:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2017 23:36 mahrgell wrote:
On July 27 2017 23:33 Mohdoo wrote:
Scaramucci is like if Trump and Spicer had a baby.

But Spicy rejected him! And Trump as single parent is slightly overwhelmed.


Out of curiosity, is there any information about whether or not Donald Trump was a good parent/ a part of his kids' lives? It doesn't appear like he has a role in Barron's life, but maybe in his older children's? Just wondering if he was a good father (we know he was/ is a shitty husband), and I can't find much about the idea- one way or another- besides some recent quotes from his older children while being interviewed during the election/ presidency (and so they're probably biased).




“How can you say you love us? You don’t love us! You don’t even love yourself. You just love your money,” twelve-year-old Donald junior told his father, according to friends of Ivana’s. “What kind of son have I created?” Trump’s mother, Mary, is said to have asked Ivana.

...

The [tabloid] scandal [involving Trump cheating on his then-wife Ivana] was seriously affecting the Trump children. Donny junior was being ridiculed at the Buckley School. Ivancka had been in tears at Chapin. When Donald and Marla Maples attended the same Elton John concert, Donny junior cried, for his father had told the children he would give Marla Maples up. “The children are all wrecks,” Ivana told Liz Smith. “I don’t know how Donald can say they are great and fine. Ivancka now comes home from school crying, ‘Mommy, does it mean I’m not going to be Ivancka Trump anymore?’ Little Eric asks me, ‘Is it true you are going away and not coming back?’ ”


www.vanityfair.com


“As a kid, [Tiffany] would spend about two weeks a year at Mar-a-Lago,” the estate-like country club in Palm Beach that Trump owns. “But,” the source continues, “that was really the only connection she had with her famous family.”

...

“I don’t know what it’s like to have a typical father figure,” she told DuJour. “He’s not the dad who’s going to take me to the beach and go swimming, but he’s such a motivational person.”

She attended Viewpoint School — with its $31,205 yearly tuition — in Calabasas, Calif., a suburb of Los Angeles, where she played junior varsity volleyball. Both parents attended her 2012 graduation.

“Marla was a devoted mother, and they’re very tight,” says publicist R. Couri Hay, who knows Maples. “They often talk about how [Tiffany] was a product of a single parent. Marla really is her best friend.”


nypost.com
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
July 27 2017 15:18 GMT
#164208
On July 28 2017 00:12 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2017 00:03 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On July 27 2017 22:59 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/890529654163083264

This thread is a fucking trip. I can see why Spicy quit.

Edit: The man compared his relationship if the chief of staff to the brothers, Cain and Abel. I’m not convinced he knows how that story ends.

Between all the mobster rhetoric and veiled threats there's this. Isn't this pretty much the only thing that got bipartisan support? Imagine him vetoing it

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/890533702819880960



It's a veto proof bill....


Wasn't it even specifically drafted in a certain way so trump can't just veto it on a hunch? I don't think it's veto proof, it's just very hard to. Might be wrong tho.
On track to MA1950A.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 27 2017 15:19 GMT
#164209
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
July 27 2017 15:22 GMT
#164210
On July 28 2017 00:18 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2017 00:12 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On July 28 2017 00:03 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On July 27 2017 22:59 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/890529654163083264

This thread is a fucking trip. I can see why Spicy quit.

Edit: The man compared his relationship if the chief of staff to the brothers, Cain and Abel. I’m not convinced he knows how that story ends.

Between all the mobster rhetoric and veiled threats there's this. Isn't this pretty much the only thing that got bipartisan support? Imagine him vetoing it

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/890533702819880960



It's a veto proof bill....


Wasn't it even specifically drafted in a certain way so trump can't just veto it on a hunch? I don't think it's veto proof, it's just very hard to. Might be wrong tho.


veto proof meaning that it had enough votes that they could over ride the veto if it comes back
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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
July 27 2017 15:23 GMT
#164211
Ah, my bad.

Still knew more about the process than Scaramucky tho, and i'm not even american, good enough.
On track to MA1950A.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
July 27 2017 15:30 GMT
#164212
On July 28 2017 00:17 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2017 00:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 27 2017 23:36 mahrgell wrote:
On July 27 2017 23:33 Mohdoo wrote:
Scaramucci is like if Trump and Spicer had a baby.

But Spicy rejected him! And Trump as single parent is slightly overwhelmed.


Out of curiosity, is there any information about whether or not Donald Trump was a good parent/ a part of his kids' lives? It doesn't appear like he has a role in Barron's life, but maybe in his older children's? Just wondering if he was a good father (we know he was/ is a shitty husband), and I can't find much about the idea- one way or another- besides some recent quotes from his older children while being interviewed during the election/ presidency (and so they're probably biased).




Show nested quote +
“How can you say you love us? You don’t love us! You don’t even love yourself. You just love your money,” twelve-year-old Donald junior told his father, according to friends of Ivana’s. “What kind of son have I created?” Trump’s mother, Mary, is said to have asked Ivana.

...

The [tabloid] scandal [involving Trump cheating on his then-wife Ivana] was seriously affecting the Trump children. Donny junior was being ridiculed at the Buckley School. Ivancka had been in tears at Chapin. When Donald and Marla Maples attended the same Elton John concert, Donny junior cried, for his father had told the children he would give Marla Maples up. “The children are all wrecks,” Ivana told Liz Smith. “I don’t know how Donald can say they are great and fine. Ivancka now comes home from school crying, ‘Mommy, does it mean I’m not going to be Ivancka Trump anymore?’ Little Eric asks me, ‘Is it true you are going away and not coming back?’ ”


www.vanityfair.com


Show nested quote +
“As a kid, [Tiffany] would spend about two weeks a year at Mar-a-Lago,” the estate-like country club in Palm Beach that Trump owns. “But,” the source continues, “that was really the only connection she had with her famous family.”

...

“I don’t know what it’s like to have a typical father figure,” she told DuJour. “He’s not the dad who’s going to take me to the beach and go swimming, but he’s such a motivational person.”

She attended Viewpoint School — with its $31,205 yearly tuition — in Calabasas, Calif., a suburb of Los Angeles, where she played junior varsity volleyball. Both parents attended her 2012 graduation.

“Marla was a devoted mother, and they’re very tight,” says publicist R. Couri Hay, who knows Maples. “They often talk about how [Tiffany] was a product of a single parent. Marla really is her best friend.”


nypost.com


Everyone knows Tiffany doesn't count.
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11731 Posts
July 27 2017 15:31 GMT
#164213
I am kind of amazed by this. Any normal person, upon getting into a new job, will take a bit of time to figure out how it works, watch things, and try to understand the systems at work at their job before changing a lot of things.

Scaramucci just goes "fuck this, lets blow stuff up!"
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
July 27 2017 15:33 GMT
#164214
On July 28 2017 00:23 m4ini wrote:
Ah, my bad.

Still knew more about the process than Scaramucky tho, and i'm not even american, good enough.



All good my non american friend

Works like this

Law passes -> pres signs it -> becomes law
Law passes -> pres vetos it -> goes back to house and senate -> they re vote or change the bill
re vote -> if 2/3 of both house and senate vote for it it becomes law
change bill -> changes are made and sent back to pres to sign or veto


The vote for the sanctions was 98-2 in senate and something like 419-3 in the house

Way over 2/3erd so you can say the bill is veto proof
Something witty
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
July 27 2017 15:34 GMT
#164215
I really should have put more stock in the fact that Spicer, who took heat for 10 million things that were not in any way his fault and kept on ticking, resigned over Scaramucci.
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
July 27 2017 15:35 GMT
#164216
On July 28 2017 00:34 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I really should have put more stock in the fact that Spicer, who took heat for 10 million things that were not in any way his fault and kept on ticking, resigned over Scaramucci.


We all thought it was the straw that broke the camels back... turns out it was the dumpster fire that the camel was running far far away from
Something witty
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 27 2017 15:38 GMT
#164217
On July 28 2017 00:31 Simberto wrote:
Scaramucci just goes "fuck this, lets blow stuff up!"


That is precisely his job function lol.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43529 Posts
July 27 2017 15:39 GMT
#164218
Wall Street mentality. Everything is broken and mismanaged and everything really needs a top business exec to come in and shake things up because the only reason why anything is ever done the way it's done is because they haven't been told how to do it better by someone who has been to over seventy leadership seminars and can perform a solo trust fall.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-27 15:43:05
July 27 2017 15:40 GMT
#164219
Apparently the "skinny repeal" is going to be written over lunch today. What responsible governance we have.

That's obviously plenty of time to figure out exactly what will happen to markets and the USA, right?
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7230 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-27 15:49:30
July 27 2017 15:48 GMT
#164220
On July 28 2017 00:23 m4ini wrote:
Ah, my bad.

Still knew more about the process than Scaramucky tho, and i'm not even american, good enough.


You are closer to right than you think. There is language in the bill that Trump cannot reduce the sanctions. In that sense the bill contains veto proof sanctions. But usually when people say a bill is veto proof they mean it passed by such overwhelming margins that a veto is assured to fail. This is a veto proof bill that has veto proof provisions once enacted.
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