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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11787 Posts
July 27 2017 12:34 GMT
#164181
On July 27 2017 20:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
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El Salvador’s absolute ban on abortion – long considered one of the world’s most ruthless – is facing its greatest challenge in years. Buoyed by shifting public attitudes, reproductive rights activists are making headway on a bill to loosen the law for victims of rape and human trafficking, women carrying nonviable pregnancies, and women who risk death or illness.

But support for keeping the ban is formidable – and may have an outside source of help: a US-based anti-abortion group that has quietly funneled funds to El Salvador’s main advocates for the ban.

The source of those funds is Human Life International, a not-for-profit group based in the rural town of Front Royal, Virginia. According to documents seen by the Guardian, Human Life International has for years directed a steady flow of dollars to Sí a la Vida, the Salvadoran organization principally responsible for the country’s abortion ban.

The funding began in 2000, just as Sí a la Vida had declared victory against legal abortion. Three years earlier, the Salvadoran legislative assembly had banned abortion without exception. In 1999, the assembly added the ban to the country’s constitution.

The impact, human rights groups say, has been devastating.

Thousands of women and girls have been forced to continue pregnancies that are the result of rape. Last month, a 19-year-old who became pregnant after she was raped was sentenced to 30 years in jail after suffering a stillbirth.

The laws have also led directly to the prosecution, imprisonment, and even deaths of scores of women. Under the law, a woman who obtains an abortion or a doctor who performs one – whatever the reason – can be sentenced to several years in prison.

And over the years, Sí a la Vida has remained the abortion ban’s loudest supporter.

Human Life International, the US group, describes its own mission as training and supporting local anti-abortion activists and counselors in foreign countries.

Documents seen by the Guardian show that Human Life International gave $47,360 to Fundación Sí a la Vida from 2000 to 2007.

From 2008 to 2014, the group gave another $615,432 to what it called Central American causes, which may have included Sí a la Vida. In many of its public materials, Human Life International refers to the Salvadoran group as its El Salvador branch.

The documents – forms that Human Life International must file with the IRS as a not-for-profit organization – only date as far back as 2000, meaning the US group may have funded Sí a la Vida at the start of its campaign to ban abortion.

News coverage from that time indicates that Human Life International worked with Sí a la Vida in the 1990s to make El Salvador’s abortion ban a reality. In one example, a 2001 article titled “How to export pro-life activism”, Father Matthew Habiger, then president of Human Life International, said his group was “at the helm” when Sí a la Vida made its push for a constitutional amendment.

Groups opposing the abortion ban reacted with dismay that a US organization was lending its support.

“The abortion ban isn’t about protecting lives, it’s a law based in misogyny in which women’s lives don’t matter, and which encourages sexual and structural violence against women to be accepted,” said Sara Garcia, a campaigner with the Citizen’s Group for Decriminalization of Abortion. “Any group which supports the ban and is against the reform is promoting inequality, imprisonment and hate towards women.”

Officials at Human Life International declined to be interviewed for this article and responded to questions with a copy of the group’s mission statement.
Sí a la Vida did not respond to a request for comment.

Regardless of when its funding began, Human Life International has always been publicly supportive of El Salvador’s abortion laws.

Several years after the passage of the constitutional amendment, the leader of Human Life International at the time, the Rev Thomas Euteneuer, praised El Salvador’s laws as the inevitable reaction of grassroots forces to abortion rights laws passed by the “elite”.

“El Salvador is an inspiration,” Euteneuer told a New York Times reporter.

Sí a la Vida counsels women with unplanned pregnancies, visits schools, and takes out ads – targeted at women considering an illegal procedure – which read: “With an abortion, you die inside”.

Human Life International’s links to Sí a la Vida would seem at odds with the position – adopted in public by virtually every anti-abortion group in the United States – that the punishment for an abortion should never fall on the woman.


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"El Salvador is an inspiration".

As far as i know, El Salvador is a horrible lawless gang country, and San Salvador is the murder Capitol of the world. Surely you can find better inspiration that that, even if you are a bigotted asshole.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
July 27 2017 12:38 GMT
#164182
On July 27 2017 21:34 LegalLord wrote:
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On July 27 2017 21:32 m4ini wrote:
On July 27 2017 21:29 LegalLord wrote:
On July 27 2017 21:26 m4ini wrote:
On July 27 2017 21:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Well okay then...



Is it just me having trouble with american english or does the WH now have another "politician" that has trouble stringing together a coherent paragraph or understanding that it's not up to the alleged criminal to prove his innocence - he's not money/a car/a house after all.

I assume with "straight shooter" he means "ex military".


"Straight shooter" is a colloquialism for "honest and forthright person."


You must've missed our excursion into military penis pills a couple of pages back.

I skimmed it because it was stupid, yes.

Suppose I missed the joke then.


Can't always pretend to be an adult.
On track to MA1950A.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 27 2017 12:51 GMT
#164183
I am sort of impressed that the guy has been there a week and is already in a full blown fight with the chief of staff, the second most important person in the white house.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 27 2017 13:07 GMT
#164184
On July 27 2017 19:07 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2017 12:53 Danglars wrote:

Since we were on Trump's recent religious/state worship tweet recently.

Lol. I'm sure that will go down well world-wide. "Ambassador" for religious freedom is a bible-thumping twat who signed an anti-muslim bill into state law. Why is this abject failure of a governor given a cushy job anyway? Shouldn't the GOP be dropping him in the dumpster as fast as they possibly can?

it's a fairly standard political thing the republicans have been doing for some time (some of the time), doing thing that are bad for the US internationally but play well with their base.
giving cushy jobs to people is fairly standard political fare, and it's not like that many of the more competent people want to be associated with the sinking ship that is trump.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-27 14:16:31
July 27 2017 13:59 GMT
#164185


This thread is a fucking trip. I can see why Spicy quit.

Edit: The man compared his relationship if the chief of staff to the brothers, Cain and Abel. I’m not convinced he knows how that story ends.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 27 2017 14:02 GMT
#164186
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
July 27 2017 14:16 GMT
#164187
On July 27 2017 23:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/890572530263756804

Attempt at strong arming a 'Yes' vote by suggesting any federal aid to Alaska will be cut off? Coercion?
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10870 Posts
July 27 2017 14:16 GMT
#164188
When does coercion become attempted blackmail?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 27 2017 14:17 GMT
#164189
On July 27 2017 23:16 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2017 23:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/890572530263756804

Attempt at strong arming a 'Yes' vote by suggesting any federal aid to Alaska will be cut off? Coercion?

Pure Nixon, but somehow more hamfisted. And likely illegal too.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
July 27 2017 14:20 GMT
#164190
On July 27 2017 23:16 Velr wrote:
When does coercion become attempted blackmail?

From just that tweet, we don't know if he asked for a 'Yes' vote the next time it comes up. You'll have to get him on record saying "If you give us an 'edge' on this healthcare fiasco, I'll make sure your state gets ample federal aid going forth."

Or something along those lines. I think blackmail needs to be clearly explicit and not implied, legally speaking.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43789 Posts
July 27 2017 14:25 GMT
#164191
Blackmail is the threat to release damaging information, isn't it? This is just naked threats to fuck with money they get from the government.

This administration operates like the members only have a vague idea of how a government is meant to work based upon tv shows.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 27 2017 14:29 GMT
#164192


It is amazing that they have to keep saying this.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
July 27 2017 14:30 GMT
#164193
Damn. Now we're gonna have 5 pages of debate between the difference of the two and which one applies to that one statement.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 27 2017 14:33 GMT
#164194
On July 27 2017 22:59 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/890529654163083264

This thread is a fucking trip. I can see why Spicy quit.

Edit: The man compared his relationship if the chief of staff to the brothers, Cain and Abel. I’m not convinced he knows how that story ends.


Scaramucci is apparently Trump's official and final pronouncement that he has gone full clown show.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-27 14:34:54
July 27 2017 14:33 GMT
#164195
On July 27 2017 23:25 KwarK wrote:
Blackmail is the threat to release damaging information, isn't it? This is just naked threats to fuck with money they get from the government.

This administration operates like the members only have a vague idea of how a government is meant to work based upon tv shows.

This is from the google definition. I'm leaning towards the last use of the word + Show Spoiler +
verb
verb: blackmail; 3rd person present: blackmails; past tense: blackmailed; past participle: blackmailed; gerund or present participle: blackmailing
1.
demand money from (a person) in return for not revealing compromising or injurious information about that person.
"trying to blackmail him for $400,000"
synonyms: extort money from, threaten; informaldemand hush money from
"he was blackmailing the murderer"
force (someone) to do something by using threats or manipulating their feelings.
"he had blackmailed her into sailing with him"
synonyms: coerce, pressurize, pressure, force; More

In that sense, then we have coercion moving towards blackmail, no?
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
July 27 2017 14:33 GMT
#164196
Scaramucci is like if Trump and Spicer had a baby.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
July 27 2017 14:36 GMT
#164197
On July 27 2017 23:33 Mohdoo wrote:
Scaramucci is like if Trump and Spicer had a baby.

But Spicy rejected him! And Trump as single parent is slightly overwhelmed.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 27 2017 14:37 GMT
#164198
The White House is eager to present a unified front on tax reform, but those leading the effort inside the administration haven’t been able to bridge deep fissures over how much to cut taxes and the best way to pay for it.

The White House’s top tax staffer, Shahira Knight, who works for Gary Cohn at the National Economic Council, has feuded in the last few months with Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin and other Treasury officials, according to a senior administration official and four other people familiar with their interactions.

This comes as the administration and congressional leaders prepare to unveil a broad-brush tax proposal, weeks ahead of schedule, as a way to pivot from the grinding debate over health care — and to show movement on an issue significant to the business community before Congress adjourns for its August recess.

Yet many key outstanding questions remain, including how low the corporate tax rate can go — a major focus of the president who wants it at 15 percent — and what if any tax benefits or breaks lawmakers will need to eliminate to pay for cuts.

These trade-offs are part of what makes tax reform difficult. No businesses, or individuals, like to see any particular tax break eliminated and tend to mobilize when their goodie is threatened. Figuring out how to balance the many competing interests at play have been the focal point of Knight’s disagreements with Treasury — and a foreshadowing of Republicans’ challenges with any tax overhaul.

“She will be quick to point out how difficult tax reform will be. She is not some Art Laffer right-wing nut,” said one former Republican congressional staffer. “She will ask, ‘How are we going to pay for this?’ And she will be one of the first ones to say this.”

Early on in the administration, Knight and Mnuchin clashed over the type of tax system the U.S. should even have. (He was advocating for a move to a so-called fully worldwide system by getting rid of deferral payments that some companies make). That was part of one of Trump’s many tax plans, dating back to the campaign in 2015.

Eventually both Knight, a former senior Hill staffer and ex-lobbyist, joined Capitol Hill lawmakers and staff to persuade Mnuchin and National Economic Council Director Gary Cohn to drop that idea, according to a senior administration official.

Knight and Mnuchin have disagreed more recently and with some frequency over the best way to pay for tax cuts. Among the issues: Mnuchin does not like the idea of scrapping businesses’ ability to deduct interest – a big boon to the real estate and finance industry that heavily relies on debt to make deals – while Knight views it as a way to offset tax cuts without adding to the deficit.

One of Mnuchin’s top Treasury advisers called Knight a “very talented colleague and a critical part of our team.” “We work together daily and she brings a deep knowledge of tax reform that benefits our current efforts,” said Justin Muzinich, a counselor to Mnuchin at Treasury.

Knight knows the history of past tax reform efforts, dating back to the last major revision in 1986, and is equally proficient in the technical hiccups of the code, according to interviews with 10 people including three senior administration officials, lobbyists, and current and former congressional staff. She is a special assistant to the president and frequently briefs the president himself on tax issues.

“She is the leading person who combines the trust of the political appointees with technical knowledge, and it is clear that she is speaking to the highest levels,” said one former Treasury official. “Frankly, she is one of the few people that the political people can talk to with the knowledge that she in on their side.”

Knight got her break in the tax world by starting out on a subcommittee of the House Ways & Means Committee, eventually working her way up to senior adviser. She worked under former Chairman Bill Thomas, who had a reputation as a sharp-elbowed and demanding boss – traits that former colleagues and friends say that Knight shares.

“She learned at the altar of Bill Thomas. He was a stone cold killer and the most effective legislator of his generation,” said Mike Sommers, Speaker John Boehner’s former chief-of-staff who now heads up the American Investment Council.

On the Hill, Knight worked on the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts – a huge political victory for Republicans.

But her more under-the-radar Capitol Hill policy claim-to-fame was the 2004 bill called the American Jobs Creation Act, according to several former Republican and Democratic congressional staffers. This was a highly technical and far-reaching bill that re-set some international tax rules and gave businesses what the non-partisan Tax Policy Center called a “potpourri of new tax breaks.”

After the Hill, Knight went on to work as a lobbyist for the Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association and Fidelity Investments where she spent more than seven years and became an expert in taxes related to savings, retirements, and pensions.

The financial services industry, in particular, has been very comforted by her role in the White House, the former Treasury official said, because they view her as one of their own.

That is true of a huge swathe of the Hill and downtown lobbyists, both Democrats and Republicans, who feel like Knight is a known quantity in an administration stocked with New York bankers and outsiders with little D.C. connections.

“The president at the beginning talked about tax policy in a way we were unaccustomed to,” said a former Democratic congressional aide. “She showed up and everyone breathed a sigh of relief. She can translate the administration’s more general discussion of taxes.”

Recently, Knight has spent her time working with Treasury officials on hammering out a potential tax reform blueprint and sitting in on the ‘Big Six’ tax reform meetings with Mnuchin, Cohn, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, Speaker Paul Ryan, Senate Finance Committee Chair Orrin Hatch, and Ways & Means Chair Kevin Brady.

She frequently speaks to outside groups such as the Tax Council or National Association of Manufacturers on the administration’s tax goals. She also takes tons of meetings, expressing enthusiasm on the most in-the-weed topics, according to numerous people who’ve met with her.

“People need to be well-prepared,” said Marc Gerson, chair of the law firm Miller & Chevalier who worked with Knight on the Ways & Means Committee. “She asks insightful questions, and she wants follow-up.”

Those meetings also give D.C. insiders a foreshadowing of where the administration may head on tax reform; in one recent session, she told people that they did not need to spend much time talking about the border adjustment tax, leaving the impression that it was no longer on the table from the administration’s perspective.


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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-27 14:46:18
July 27 2017 14:46 GMT
#164199
On July 27 2017 23:36 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2017 23:33 Mohdoo wrote:
Scaramucci is like if Trump and Spicer had a baby.

But Spicy rejected him! And Trump as single parent is slightly overwhelmed.


scaramucci is so bad i kinda see why spicer didn't want him. spicer was flailing around failing to put out the fire, scaramucci is actively lighting matches and tossing them around.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 27 2017 14:53 GMT
#164200
This guy Scareamooch going out and all but blaming Preibus for leaks - just take a moment to realize how destabilizing and destructive that is. And this is really just Trump trying to change the media narrative and play the media wars. I think it's clear that Trump, in his campaign and presidency is mainly concerned with his media appearance. As for running the country, who knows? This is the idiocracy his voters have unleashed on the country.
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