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In which reporters leap over denials of campaign strategy to arrive at denials of policy conversations in wiggle room "campaign-related." It just refuses to end.
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
July 21 2017 23:45 GMT
#163061
On July 22 2017 08:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: In which reporters leap over denials of campaign strategy to arrive at denials of policy conversations in wiggle room "campaign-related." It just refuses to end. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
July 21 2017 23:49 GMT
#163062
On July 22 2017 08:45 Danglars wrote: Show nested quote + On July 22 2017 08:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/AshleyRParker/status/888532721689128963 In which reporters leap over denials of campaign strategy to arrive at denials of policy conversations in wiggle room "campaign-related." It just refuses to end. When you actively assert your own version of reality, it is endless. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
July 21 2017 23:49 GMT
#163063
On July 22 2017 08:45 Danglars wrote: Show nested quote + On July 22 2017 08:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/AshleyRParker/status/888532721689128963 In which reporters leap over denials of campaign strategy to arrive at denials of policy conversations in wiggle room "campaign-related." It just refuses to end. Right, nothing where he was under oath and thus committed perjury. | ||
GreenHorizons
United States23127 Posts
July 21 2017 23:52 GMT
#163064
On July 22 2017 08:38 Danglars wrote: Show nested quote + On July 22 2017 07:28 GreenHorizons wrote: On July 22 2017 07:15 Nevuk wrote: Is this even legal? Tenn. county inmates given reduced jail time if they get a vasectomy Inmates in White County, Tennessee have been given credit for their jail time if they voluntarily agree to have a vasectomy or birth control implant, a popular new program that is being called “unconstitutional” by the ACLU. On May 15, 2017 General Sessions Judge Sam Benningfield signed a standing order that allows inmates to receive 30 days credit toward jail time if they undergo a birth control procedure. Women who volunteer to participate in the program are given a free Nexplanon implant in their arm, the implant helps prevent pregnancies for up to four years. Men who volunteer to participate are given a vasectomy, free of charge, by the Tennessee Department of Health. County officials said that since the program began a few months ago 32 women have gotten the Nexplananon implant and 38 men were waiting to have the vasectomy procedure performed. Judge Benningfield told Nashville-based WTVF that he was trying to break a vicious cycle of repeat offenders who constantly come into his courtroom on drug related charges, subsequently can’t afford child support and have trouble finding jobs. “I hope to encourage them to take personal responsibility and give them a chance, when they do get out, to not to be burdened with children. This gives them a chance to get on their feet and make something of themselves,” Judge Benningfield said in an interview. First elected in 1998, Judge Benningfield decided to implement the program after speaking with officials at the Tennessee Department of Health. “I understand it won’t be entirely successful but if you reach two or three people, maybe that’s two or three kids not being born under the influence of drugs. I see it as a win, win,” he added. Inmates in the White County jail were also given two days credit toward their jail sentence if they complete a State of Tennessee, Department of Health Neonatal Syndrome Education Program. The class aimed to educate those who are incarcerated about the dangers of having children while under the influence of drugs. “Hopefully while they’re staying here we rehabilitate them so they never come back,” the judge said. District Attorney Bryant Dunaway, who oversees prosecution of cases in White County said he is worried the program may be unethical and possibly illegal. “It’s concerning to me, my office doesn’t support this order,” Dunaway said. “It’s comprehensible that an 18-year-old gets this done, it can’t get reversed and then that impacts the rest of their life,” he added. On Wednesday, the ACLU released this statement on the program: "Offering a so-called 'choice' between jail time and coerced contraception or sterilization is unconstitutional. Such a choice violates the fundamental constitutional right to reproductive autonomy and bodily integrity by interfering with the intimate decision of whether and when to have a child, imposing an intrusive medical procedure on individuals who are not in a position to reject it. Judges play an important role in our community – overseeing individuals’ childbearing capacity should not be part of that role." www.abc15.com Short answer: Yes, until the courts say no. But holy shit, you only get 30 days credit for a vasectomy. That's the real crime. That's gotta be worth at least a year. Seriously though, doesn't help when you think about this part. ![]() ![]() Just hoping some already infertile imprisoned people are able to take advantage. Got racial offender statistics? Show nested quote + On July 22 2017 06:44 Wulfey_LA wrote: I remember having all these stern arguments about the horrors of unmasking. How serious it was. How Hannity was totally right in his accusations that Susan Rice was UNMASKING AMERICAN PATRIOTS. And now for the lulz conclusion. Burr is the Republican Senate Chair of whatever sub-group is investigating Trump/Russia. The pump fake so fast everybody misses it. The HPSCI will continue investigating; Susan Rice has been subpoena'd and will testify soon. So will Samantha Power. The fallout from that will be the senator's big chance to prove he's not full of shit. lol. Of all the related causes, I can count on you to lean on "racial offender statistics". Conceding for the moment that those statistics would show what you presume (higher offending rates among Black people) do you acknowledge that it's not a great representation of the actual rate of crime? Like if you looked at who and where cocaine arrests are made and tried to use that to make assumptions about it's criminal users you would be drastically off. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
July 21 2017 23:55 GMT
#163065
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
July 22 2017 00:02 GMT
#163066
Less than a month into his new job, White House press secretary Sean Spicer needed to keep his food and drink cold. He wanted a mini-fridge. He dispatched a top aide to a nearby executive office building where junior research employees are crammed into a room, surviving on Lean Cuisine frozen lunches. Mr. Spicer wants your icebox, the aide said, according to people familiar with the incident. They refused to give it up. So Mr. Spicer waited until sundown—after his young staffers had left—to take matters into his own hands. He was spotted by a fellow White House official lugging the icebox down the White House driveway after 8 p.m. https://www.wsj.com/articles/sean-spicer-faced-myriad-obstacles-during-dramaticwhite-houserise-and-fall-1500678379 | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
July 22 2017 00:08 GMT
#163067
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21621 Posts
July 22 2017 00:11 GMT
#163068
On July 22 2017 08:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/AshleyRParker/status/888532721689128963 I guess here we have the classified information that Comey could not share in his public hearing that assured the FBI that Sessions would have to recuse himself. | ||
Introvert
United States4721 Posts
July 22 2017 00:14 GMT
#163069
On July 22 2017 08:45 Danglars wrote: Show nested quote + On July 22 2017 08:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/AshleyRParker/status/888532721689128963 In which reporters leap over denials of campaign strategy to arrive at denials of policy conversations in wiggle room "campaign-related." It just refuses to end. This was the first thing that came to my mind. The story is so vague... did Sessions say "yeah, our strategy is to call her 'Crooked Hillary and talk about her emails, did you have a plan?" Or was it "if we win, this is our most likely view if US-Russia relations"? Pull a Comey and leak some transcripts. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
July 22 2017 00:19 GMT
#163070
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21621 Posts
July 22 2017 00:24 GMT
#163071
On July 22 2017 09:14 Introvert wrote: Show nested quote + On July 22 2017 08:45 Danglars wrote: On July 22 2017 08:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/AshleyRParker/status/888532721689128963 In which reporters leap over denials of campaign strategy to arrive at denials of policy conversations in wiggle room "campaign-related." It just refuses to end. This was the first thing that came to my mind. The story is so vague... did Sessions say "yeah, our strategy is to call her 'Crooked Hillary and talk about her emails, did you have a plan?" Or was it "if we win, this is our most likely view if US-Russia relations"? Pull a Comey and leak some transcripts. It doesn't matter how innocent the meeting was (which is unlikely considering all the other evidence) when he lied about it not happening under oath. | ||
Introvert
United States4721 Posts
July 22 2017 00:29 GMT
#163072
On July 22 2017 09:24 Gorsameth wrote: Show nested quote + On July 22 2017 09:14 Introvert wrote: On July 22 2017 08:45 Danglars wrote: On July 22 2017 08:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/AshleyRParker/status/888532721689128963 In which reporters leap over denials of campaign strategy to arrive at denials of policy conversations in wiggle room "campaign-related." It just refuses to end. This was the first thing that came to my mind. The story is so vague... did Sessions say "yeah, our strategy is to call her 'Crooked Hillary and talk about her emails, did you have a plan?" Or was it "if we win, this is our most likely view if US-Russia relations"? Pull a Comey and leak some transcripts. It doesn't matter how innocent the meeting was (which is unlikely considering all the other evidence) when he lied about it not happening under oath. But that is part of the question. "Campaign related" and "policy discussions" are two separate things. And let's not pretend that perjury is the important part here. The Democrats will take it if they can get it, obviously, but we're still in collusion hunting mode. If he perjured himself he'll have to resign, but it's not the end game. | ||
Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
July 22 2017 00:29 GMT
#163073
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
July 22 2017 00:31 GMT
#163074
On July 22 2017 09:29 Doodsmack wrote: Since the wapo story is behind a paywall, does it go into any specifics beyond "campaign related"? Russia’s ambassador to Washington told his superiors in Moscow that he discussed campaign-related matters, including policy issues important to Moscow, with Jeff Sessions during the 2016 presidential race, contrary to public assertions by the embattled attorney general, according to current and former U.S. officials. Ambassador Sergey Kislyak’s accounts of two conversations with Sessions — then a top foreign policy adviser to Republican candidate Donald Trump — were intercepted by U.S. spy agencies, which monitor the communications of senior Russian officials both in the United States and in Russia. Sessions initially failed to disclose his contacts with Kislyak and then said that the meetings were not about the Trump campaign. One U.S. official said that Sessions — who testified that he has no recollection of an April encounter — has provided “misleading” statements that are “contradicted by other evidence.” A former official said that the intelligence indicates that Sessions and Kislyak had “substantive” discussions on matters including Trump’s positions on Russia-related issues and prospects for U.S.-Russia relations in a Trump administration. Sessions has said repeatedly that he never discussed campaign-related issues with Russian officials and that it was only in his capacity as a U.S. senator that he met with Kislyak. “I never had meetings with Russian operatives or Russian intermediaries about the Trump campaign,” Sessions said in March when he announced that he would recuse himself from matters relating to the FBI probe of Russian interference in the election and any connections to the Trump campaign. Russia’s ambassador to Washington told his superiors in Moscow that he discussed campaign-related matters, including policy issues important to Moscow, with Jeff Sessions during the 2016 presidential race, contrary to public assertions by the embattled attorney general, according to current and former U.S. officials. Ambassador Sergey Kislyak’s accounts of two conversations with Sessions — then a top foreign policy adviser to Republican candidate Donald Trump — were intercepted by U.S. spy agencies, which monitor the communications of senior Russian officials both in the United States and in Russia. Sessions initially failed to disclose his contacts with Kislyak and then said that the meetings were not about the Trump campaign. One U.S. official said that Sessions — who testified that he has no recollection of an April encounter — has provided “misleading” statements that are “contradicted by other evidence.” A former official said that the intelligence indicates that Sessions and Kislyak had “substantive” discussions on matters including Trump’s positions on Russia-related issues and prospects for U.S.-Russia relations in a Trump administration. Sessions has said repeatedly that he never discussed campaign-related issues with Russian officials and that it was only in his capacity as a U.S. senator that he met with Kislyak. “I never had meetings with Russian operatives or Russian intermediaries about the Trump campaign,” Sessions said in March when he announced that he would recuse himself from matters relating to the FBI probe of Russian interference in the election and any connections to the Trump campaign. Sessions’s role in removing Comey as FBI director angered many at the bureau and set in motion events that led to the appointment of former FBI director Robert S. Mueller III as a special counsel overseeing the Russia probe. Trump’s harsh words toward the attorney general fueled speculation this week that Sessions would be fired or would resign. So far, he has resisted resigning, saying that he intends to stay in the job “as long as that is appropriate.” Matt Zapotosky and Julie Tate contributed to this report. Wapo offers a free subscription if you have .edu, .mil, or .gov email address | ||
Gorsameth
Netherlands21621 Posts
July 22 2017 00:33 GMT
#163075
On July 22 2017 09:29 Introvert wrote: Show nested quote + On July 22 2017 09:24 Gorsameth wrote: On July 22 2017 09:14 Introvert wrote: On July 22 2017 08:45 Danglars wrote: On July 22 2017 08:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/AshleyRParker/status/888532721689128963 In which reporters leap over denials of campaign strategy to arrive at denials of policy conversations in wiggle room "campaign-related." It just refuses to end. This was the first thing that came to my mind. The story is so vague... did Sessions say "yeah, our strategy is to call her 'Crooked Hillary and talk about her emails, did you have a plan?" Or was it "if we win, this is our most likely view if US-Russia relations"? Pull a Comey and leak some transcripts. It doesn't matter how innocent the meeting was (which is unlikely considering all the other evidence) when he lied about it not happening under oath. But that is part of the question. "Campaign related" and "policy discussions" are two separate things. And let's not pretend that perjury is the important part here. The Democrats will take it if they can get it, obviously, but we're still in collusion hunting mode. If he perjured himself he'll have to resign, but it's not the end game. That feeling when a member of a political campaign talks to a foreign dignitary about policy under his campaigns future government isn't not 'Campaign related'... | ||
Introvert
United States4721 Posts
July 22 2017 00:40 GMT
#163076
On July 22 2017 09:33 Gorsameth wrote: Show nested quote + On July 22 2017 09:29 Introvert wrote: On July 22 2017 09:24 Gorsameth wrote: On July 22 2017 09:14 Introvert wrote: On July 22 2017 08:45 Danglars wrote: On July 22 2017 08:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/AshleyRParker/status/888532721689128963 In which reporters leap over denials of campaign strategy to arrive at denials of policy conversations in wiggle room "campaign-related." It just refuses to end. This was the first thing that came to my mind. The story is so vague... did Sessions say "yeah, our strategy is to call her 'Crooked Hillary and talk about her emails, did you have a plan?" Or was it "if we win, this is our most likely view if US-Russia relations"? Pull a Comey and leak some transcripts. It doesn't matter how innocent the meeting was (which is unlikely considering all the other evidence) when he lied about it not happening under oath. But that is part of the question. "Campaign related" and "policy discussions" are two separate things. And let's not pretend that perjury is the important part here. The Democrats will take it if they can get it, obviously, but we're still in collusion hunting mode. If he perjured himself he'll have to resign, but it's not the end game. That feeling when a member of a political campaign talks to a foreign dignitary about policy under his campaigns future government isn't not 'Campaign related'... To me, "campaign-related" means "having to do with the campaign for president." Like discussing poll numbers (to pick a random example). Surely you can see how that is not the same thing as discussing future policy. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
July 22 2017 00:45 GMT
#163077
Taxpayers in Kentucky must pay more than $220,000 in attorney fees for the couples who sued Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis for refusing to issue marriage licenses to avoid having to give them to same-sex couples. In July 2015, four couples — two same-sex and two opposite-sex — represented by the American Civil Liberties Union filed suit against Davis. "Davis represented the Commonwealth of Kentucky when she refused to issue marriage licenses to legally eligible couples. The buck stops there," U.S. District Judge David Bunning wrote Friday. Bunning said the county and Davis herself were not responsible for paying the $222,695 in attorneys' fees. Kentucky Public Radio's Ryland Barton explains to our Newscast unit, "The court said the state should be held responsible because Kentucky officials had the right to take action against Davis, but didn't." On June 26, 2015, the Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage in all 50 states. But Davis, citing her religious beliefs, refused to comply, even spending a brief stint in jail for contempt of court. Bunning was the judge who ordered Davis jailed for five days. The case grabbed national headlines. Davis met with Republican candidates for president and even with the pope. By December 2015, Gov. Matthew Bevin ordered that Kentucky marriage licenses need not be printed with the name of the county clerk who issued them. That appeared to settle the issue for Davis, who proceeded to issue marriage licenses without her name. Davis' attorney says his client will appeal Friday's ruling, according to The Association Press. "The judge ruled Davis lost the case. Attorney Mat Staver said they did not lose. He said the case was dismissed as moot after the state legislature changed the law in 2016 to remove the names of county clerks from marriage licenses." William Sharp, legal director of the ACLU of Kentucky, said in a statement, "We are pleased with today's ruling, and we hope this serves as a reminder to Kentucky officials that willful violations of individuals' civil liberties, such as what occurred here, will not only be challenged but will also prove costly." The Lexington Herald Ledger reports that the state has not decided whether it will appeal. Source | ||
Danglars
United States12133 Posts
July 22 2017 00:55 GMT
#163078
On July 22 2017 08:52 GreenHorizons wrote: Show nested quote + On July 22 2017 08:38 Danglars wrote: On July 22 2017 07:28 GreenHorizons wrote: On July 22 2017 07:15 Nevuk wrote: Is this even legal? Tenn. county inmates given reduced jail time if they get a vasectomy Inmates in White County, Tennessee have been given credit for their jail time if they voluntarily agree to have a vasectomy or birth control implant, a popular new program that is being called “unconstitutional” by the ACLU. On May 15, 2017 General Sessions Judge Sam Benningfield signed a standing order that allows inmates to receive 30 days credit toward jail time if they undergo a birth control procedure. Women who volunteer to participate in the program are given a free Nexplanon implant in their arm, the implant helps prevent pregnancies for up to four years. Men who volunteer to participate are given a vasectomy, free of charge, by the Tennessee Department of Health. County officials said that since the program began a few months ago 32 women have gotten the Nexplananon implant and 38 men were waiting to have the vasectomy procedure performed. Judge Benningfield told Nashville-based WTVF that he was trying to break a vicious cycle of repeat offenders who constantly come into his courtroom on drug related charges, subsequently can’t afford child support and have trouble finding jobs. “I hope to encourage them to take personal responsibility and give them a chance, when they do get out, to not to be burdened with children. This gives them a chance to get on their feet and make something of themselves,” Judge Benningfield said in an interview. First elected in 1998, Judge Benningfield decided to implement the program after speaking with officials at the Tennessee Department of Health. “I understand it won’t be entirely successful but if you reach two or three people, maybe that’s two or three kids not being born under the influence of drugs. I see it as a win, win,” he added. Inmates in the White County jail were also given two days credit toward their jail sentence if they complete a State of Tennessee, Department of Health Neonatal Syndrome Education Program. The class aimed to educate those who are incarcerated about the dangers of having children while under the influence of drugs. “Hopefully while they’re staying here we rehabilitate them so they never come back,” the judge said. District Attorney Bryant Dunaway, who oversees prosecution of cases in White County said he is worried the program may be unethical and possibly illegal. “It’s concerning to me, my office doesn’t support this order,” Dunaway said. “It’s comprehensible that an 18-year-old gets this done, it can’t get reversed and then that impacts the rest of their life,” he added. On Wednesday, the ACLU released this statement on the program: "Offering a so-called 'choice' between jail time and coerced contraception or sterilization is unconstitutional. Such a choice violates the fundamental constitutional right to reproductive autonomy and bodily integrity by interfering with the intimate decision of whether and when to have a child, imposing an intrusive medical procedure on individuals who are not in a position to reject it. Judges play an important role in our community – overseeing individuals’ childbearing capacity should not be part of that role." www.abc15.com Short answer: Yes, until the courts say no. But holy shit, you only get 30 days credit for a vasectomy. That's the real crime. That's gotta be worth at least a year. Seriously though, doesn't help when you think about this part. ![]() ![]() Just hoping some already infertile imprisoned people are able to take advantage. Got racial offender statistics? On July 22 2017 06:44 Wulfey_LA wrote: I remember having all these stern arguments about the horrors of unmasking. How serious it was. How Hannity was totally right in his accusations that Susan Rice was UNMASKING AMERICAN PATRIOTS. And now for the lulz conclusion. Burr is the Republican Senate Chair of whatever sub-group is investigating Trump/Russia. https://twitter.com/yashar/status/888488364843970561 https://twitter.com/MZHemingway/status/888489491182346240 The pump fake so fast everybody misses it. The HPSCI will continue investigating; Susan Rice has been subpoena'd and will testify soon. So will Samantha Power. The fallout from that will be the senator's big chance to prove he's not full of shit. lol. Of all the related causes, I can count on you to lean on "racial offender statistics". Conceding for the moment that those statistics would show what you presume (higher offending rates among Black people) do you acknowledge that it's not a great representation of the actual rate of crime? Like if you looked at who and where cocaine arrests are made and tried to use that to make assumptions about it's criminal users you would be drastically off. As long as you can also admit that races that offend at higher rates can be expected to be a bigger share of incarcerated persons. | ||
Danglars
United States12133 Posts
July 22 2017 01:03 GMT
#163079
On July 22 2017 09:14 Introvert wrote: Show nested quote + On July 22 2017 08:45 Danglars wrote: On July 22 2017 08:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/AshleyRParker/status/888532721689128963 In which reporters leap over denials of campaign strategy to arrive at denials of policy conversations in wiggle room "campaign-related." It just refuses to end. This was the first thing that came to my mind. The story is so vague... did Sessions say "yeah, our strategy is to call her 'Crooked Hillary and talk about her emails, did you have a plan?" Or was it "if we win, this is our most likely view if US-Russia relations"? Pull a Comey and leak some transcripts. They should've stayed with Trump Jr to be honest. Overreach will be the death of these later dim-witted assertions. I'm guessing that their best shot is for Trump to think he's more of a distraction than it's worth and appoint another business guy. | ||
Danglars
United States12133 Posts
July 22 2017 01:05 GMT
#163080
On July 22 2017 08:49 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Show nested quote + On July 22 2017 08:45 Danglars wrote: On July 22 2017 08:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/AshleyRParker/status/888532721689128963 In which reporters leap over denials of campaign strategy to arrive at denials of policy conversations in wiggle room "campaign-related." It just refuses to end. Right, nothing where he was under oath and thus committed perjury. He didn't say anything contradictory in his sworn testimony. You're just like these reporters grasping at straws. | ||
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