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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 05 2017 21:03 GMT
#155261
On June 06 2017 05:48 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2017 04:35 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On June 06 2017 00:57 Zambrah wrote:
On June 06 2017 00:30 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On June 06 2017 00:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On June 06 2017 00:01 Mohdoo wrote:
Weird incident. If it really was a messaging group, this is a step too far. Unless it was some kinda 200+ person messaging group somehow. Or if it was named Harvard something. Harvard has a lot of image value to maintain and having some rich shits mucking it up with foul stuff isn't going to be allowed.


In the article:

Two incoming students told the Crimson the group was at one point called “Harvard memes for horny bourgeois teens.”

(I don't use facebook) Is a message group viewable by anyone or just the name, or what?

I'd like to see the exact jokes they got banned for, just because I'm a little bit distrustful of how media would choose to relate some of the borderline content that exists out there. Anyway, sad thing to have ruin what was no doubt a lot of hard work, but hard to feel a ton of sympathy if the description is accurate :/


An example from the article was (and Im too lazy to go back and specifically quote it, but this is the gist) using "pinata time" to refer to the hanging of a mexican child.

Yeah i saw it but I mean like full transcript with context.


I'm not sure thats ever going to get out, but I think you can get an alright idea of the kind of stuff they were posting if the hanging mexican child thing was posted. It probably wasn't all horrible and racist, but you have to imagine that some of it was probably pretty nasty


a friend who's sister is going to harvard next year posted some screengrabs to a group chat. it's bad, and i have no sympathy for those kids. play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 05 2017 21:12 GMT
#155262
RUSSIAN MILITARY INTELLIGENCE executed a cyberattack on at least one U.S. voting software supplier and sent spear-phishing emails to more than 100 local election officials just days before last November’s presidential election, according to a highly classified intelligence report obtained by The Intercept.

The top-secret National Security Agency document, which was provided anonymously to The Intercept and independently authenticated, analyzes intelligence very recently acquired by the agency about a months-long Russian intelligence cyber effort against elements of the U.S. election and voting infrastructure. The report, dated May 5, 2017, is the most detailed U.S. government account of Russian interference in the election that has yet come to light.

While the document provides a rare window into the NSA’s understanding of the mechanics of Russian hacking, it does not show the underlying “raw” intelligence on which the analysis is based. A U.S. intelligence officer who declined to be identified cautioned against drawing too big a conclusion from the document because a single analysis is not necessarily definitive.

The report indicates that Russian hacking may have penetrated further into U.S. voting systems than was previously understood. It states unequivocally in its summary statement that it was Russian military intelligence, specifically the Russian General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate, or GRU, that conducted the cyber attacks described in the document:

Russian General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate actors … executed cyber espionage operations against a named U.S. company in August 2016, evidently to obtain information on elections-related software and hardware solutions. … The actors likely used data obtained from that operation to … launch a voter registration-themed spear-phishing campaign targeting U.S. local government organizations.
(Article continues)

https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05/top-secret-nsa-report-details-russian-hacking-effort-days-before-2016-election/
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
June 05 2017 21:13 GMT
#155263
On June 06 2017 04:54 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2017 04:50 LegalLord wrote:
I think that deep down, most people know it to be true that climate change is real. But people's livelihoods sometimes depend on coal or other dirty sources so they are kind of desperate not to see their entire industry come apart.


It's not just livelihoods which at this point isn't that many people, it's the American idea that nobody should tell you what you eat, drive, or otherwise do with your time. Climate change is such a collective problem that goes so deep into individual behaviour that it pretty much is a direct threat to one of the more fundamental values. If all the private things you do are suddenly dangerous to everybody you can't really deny that intervention is justified. As a consequence you have to deny that the problem exists in the first place.

That's been the case. I remember one of the Bushes had a clever turn of phrase essentially saying, "we spent so much on the environment, now let's take care of American wallets." Since then, I've seen that sentiment has faded hard. People slowly but surely have been forced to see the obvious. That's probably why Trump isn't popular for this decision even by the people who elected him.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8962 Posts
June 05 2017 21:13 GMT
#155264
On June 06 2017 02:56 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2017 02:12 a_flayer wrote:
On June 06 2017 02:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On June 06 2017 02:01 On_Slaught wrote:
Outside of tier 2 and up special operations guys and select SWAT teams, there is basically nobody in this country I would trust in a shootout to be accurate and effective. We don't need to turn every shooting into the O.K. corral. And I say this as someone with a CCW.

You can trust me. I'll save the day with my 4 years USMC training with rifles. As long as the target is paper and not moving and we have ideal wind conditions. /s (but not really)

Wait, is the /s tag for the "as long as the target is paper" etc and you can in fact hit people while they're on the move? Or does the "(but not really)" negate the /s and you can't do that after all? Or does the /s refer to "you can trust me" and is THAT negated by the "(but not really)"?

I'm so confused...


Standard soldiers, like most cops, most feds, and civilians, are trained to shoot stationary targets from a stationary position. This is not good training for real life combat. You need people who do killhouse type drills (moving and shooting) and who train shooting constantly.

The book Inside Delta Force talks about this with cops. When you are trained to look at your sights when shooting, that is useless training for combat.

Basically this. The /s was in reference to the target being paper and stationary. the (but not really) was in reference to saying I couldn't do it if it wasn't paper.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
June 05 2017 22:36 GMT
#155265
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 05 2017 22:39 GMT
#155266


Well that is two senators saying it won't happen.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
June 05 2017 22:45 GMT
#155267
On June 06 2017 07:36 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/871854205857923073

But at least the Saudis are condemning Qatar. /s
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 05 2017 22:47 GMT
#155268
On June 06 2017 07:45 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2017 07:36 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/871854205857923073

But at least the Saudis are condemning Qatar. /s

But will they donate it to the government as promised? Or were they only going to do that if they got caught?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-05 22:58:32
June 05 2017 22:56 GMT
#155269
On June 06 2017 07:47 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2017 07:45 NewSunshine wrote:
On June 06 2017 07:36 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/871854205857923073

But at least the Saudis are condemning Qatar. /s

But will they donate it to the government as promised? Or were they only going to do that if they got caught?

I mean, with all the money Trump collects by making Mar a Lago his White House, would it really surprise?

In other news, charges are apparently being pressed against the NSA leaker, who has an interesting name.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
June 05 2017 23:00 GMT
#155270
Weird people have a habit of doing weird shit like leaking intelligence documents. The reason being that sane people are aware of the consequences even if they have moral reasons to do so.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
June 05 2017 23:11 GMT
#155271
in the least surprising move ever Carter Page continuing to do interviews. Someone needs to do an intervention.
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
June 05 2017 23:13 GMT
#155272
On June 06 2017 08:11 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
in the least surprising move ever Carter Page continuing to do interviews. Someone needs to do an intervention.


Can we interview him about why he is doing interviews?
Question.?
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
June 05 2017 23:14 GMT
#155273
On June 06 2017 08:13 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2017 08:11 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
in the least surprising move ever Carter Page continuing to do interviews. Someone needs to do an intervention.


Can we interview him about why he is doing interviews?



I think he should book an appearance on Dr Phil.
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
June 05 2017 23:19 GMT
#155274
On June 06 2017 08:00 LegalLord wrote:
Weird people have a habit of doing weird shit like leaking intelligence documents. The reason being that sane people are aware of the consequences even if they have moral reasons to do so.


Yep.

You and I might disagree on a lot of things on here, but I would never, NEVER leak any classified document I have access to. Regardless of my moral standing.

I would sooner recuse myself from the situation knowing it put me in an ethical quandary than release information.

100%

Leaking information is not something anyone should do. That information is entrusted to you for very specific reasons usually and you should not ever go around letting it out, or alluding to it either.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 05 2017 23:30 GMT
#155275
George Conway, the husband of White House adviser Kellyanne Conway who was under consideration for multiple positions in President Donald Trump’s administration, mocked the president on Monday for targeting his own Justice Department.

In a series of tweets, Trump rebuffed his top aides and other administration officials, who had insisted that the administration’s executive order suspending visa issuance from six majority-Muslim countries was not a travel ban.

“People, the lawyers and the courts can call it whatever they want, but I am calling it what we need and what it is, a TRAVEL BAN!” Trump tweeted Monday morning.

“The Justice Dept. should have stayed with the original Travel Ban, not the watered down, politically correct version they submitted to S.C.” the president added. “The Justice Dept. should ask for an expedited hearing of the watered down Travel Ban before the Supreme Court - & seek much tougher version!”

Conway derided Trump’s tweets, criticizing the president in a post that concluded with his trademark “Sad.”

“These tweets may make some ppl feel better, but they certainly won't help OSG get 5 votes in SCOTUS, which is what actually matters. Sad,” Conway wrote, referring to the Office of the Solicitor General, which argues before the Supreme Court on behalf of the Trump administration.

Conway, a partner at the law firm Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz, was a candidate for the solicitor general post and the front-runner to head DOJ’s Civil Division until he withdrew his name from consideration last week.

Asked if the tweet from the unverified account was his — Monday was the first time the account had tweeted since 2015 — Conway told POLITICO: “Yes. My tweet.”

In a statement announcing his withdrawal last week, Conway had said the time wasn’t right for him to leave the private sector but maintained that he continues to support the Trump administration.

In subsequent tweets Monday, Conway made clear: “I still VERY, VERY STRONGLY support POTUS, his Admin, policies, the executive order and of course, my wonderful wife.”

That’s why, he continued, “I said what I said this morning. Every sensible lawyer in WHCO and every political appointee at DOJ wd agree with me (as some have already told me). The pt cannot be stressed enough that tweets on legal matters seriously undermine Admin agenda and POTUS--and those who support him, as I do, need to reinforce that pt and not be shy about it.”

Kellyanne Conway earlier Monday had blasted the media for what she called their “obsession with covering everything [Trump] says on Twitter and very little of what he does as president.”


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 05 2017 23:37 GMT
#155276
Apparently the only reason she was caught is because she contacted the intercept from her work computer. Like. Uh, wow. (I posted the article sourced on the leak earlier in the thread. It was fairly large news, but not really worthwhile to leak really).
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-05 23:57:41
June 05 2017 23:57 GMT
#155277
Someone it was the intilligance equivalent of wearing your uniform and name badge to a bank robbery. Seems about right.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
June 06 2017 00:04 GMT
#155278
Yeah, leaking classified information for the purpose of a story that makes people say "k cool" is certainly something.

There's guys like Snowden, who feel that the whistleblower system isn't sufficient, devise a plan to get the information out, and find themselves in a deeper web of spy dealings than they bargained for. There's the incompetents like the State Department the last few times who compromise information with an unacceptably lax policy on data security. And then there's idiots like this one who are just "out there."
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 06 2017 00:13 GMT
#155279
Prominent Republican attorneys are staging what amounts to an unprecedented public intervention against President Donald Trump, warning that his tweeting habit was doing serious harm to his bid to preserve his travel ban policy at the Supreme Court—and could be inflicting more widespread damage on his administration’s ability to carry out his agenda.

The outpouring of criticism was triggered by a flurry of tweets Trump sent early Monday, attacking the Justice Department’s legal strategy, dismissing his own revised travel ban order as a “watered down, politically correct” version of what he originally set out to do, and blasting as “political” the court rulings against him on the subject.

The most attention-grabbing pushback came from George Conway, who was under consideration until recently for a top post overseeing Justice Department civil litigation in the Trump administration. Conway, who is married to top White House adviser Kellyanne Conway, even seemed to mock one of Trump’s favorite Twitter formulations.

“These tweets may make some ppl feel better, but they certainly won’t help OSG [Justice’s Office of Solicitor General] get 5 votes in SCOTUS, which is what actually matters. Sad,” Conway wrote.

Conway later clarified that he remains a Trump backer, but is not backing down from his criticism. In fact, he insisted that lawyers currently in the administration concur.

“I still VERY, VERY STRONGLY support POTUS, his Admin, policies, the executive order...and of course, my wonderful wife. Which is why I said what I said this morning,” Conway added. “Every sensible lawyer in [the White House Counsel’s Office and every political appointee at DOJ wd agree with him (as some have already told me). The pt cannot be stressed enough that tweets on legal matters...seriously undermine Admin agenda and POTUS...those who support him, as I do, need to reinforce that point and not be shy about it.”

A top Justice Department official under President George W. Bush, Jack Goldsmith, unleashed a 17-entry Tweetstorm arguing that Trump’s ongoing attacks on his own lawyers and his apparent effort to disclaim responsibility for reissuing his “watered down” order are further eroding judicial deference for the executive branch.

“Given POTUS’s instability, it is not just courts that have reason to relax the presumption of regularity for this Prez,” wrote Goldsmith, now a professor at Harvard Law School. “We all have reason to do so about everything the Executive branch does that touches, however lightly, the President....One thing DT behavior entails...is many losses in court and not just on the immigration EOs....Everything else Executive would normally win—reversing Clean Power Plan, terminating treaty, new regs, etc.—will be much, much harder.”

Lawyers challenging Trump’s travel ban in court seemed gleeful at the utterances from the chief executive.

“Its kind of odd to have the defendant in Hawaii v Trump acting as our co-counsel. We don’t need the help but will take it,” wrote Neal Katyal, a lawyer behind the state of Hawaii-led case that resulted in the broadest injunction against Trump’s revised travel ban.

Supreme Court litigators said Trump’s tweets were particularly damaging because the Justice Department has argued that the revised order Trump issued in March should be treated as distinct from his first effort and from his campaign trail rhetoric calling for a ban on all Muslims entering the U.S.

Government lawyers have also insisted that the second order was backed by a policy process involving Cabinet officials such as Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly.

However, Trump’s reference to political correctness seemed to fuel arguments that the alleged policy process was window dressing and the entire effort may have simply been intended to follow through on his calls for a Muslim ban.

“They’re trying to draw a sharp line between this order and his campaign statements that all Muslims should be barred,” said Walter Dellinger, who was an acting solicitor general under President Bill Clinton. “Trump has rendered moot the debate in the litigation over whether campaign statements should be inadmissible by incorporating by reference all those statements and turning them into presidential proclamations.”


[url=http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/05/trump-tweets-republican-lawyers-backlash-239148]Source[/uirl]
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 06 2017 00:22 GMT
#155280
On June 06 2017 07:56 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2017 07:47 Plansix wrote:
On June 06 2017 07:45 NewSunshine wrote:
On June 06 2017 07:36 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/871854205857923073

But at least the Saudis are condemning Qatar. /s

But will they donate it to the government as promised? Or were they only going to do that if they got caught?

I mean, with all the money Trump collects by making Mar a Lago his White House, would it really surprise?

In other news, charges are apparently being pressed against the NSA leaker, who has an interesting name.
https://twitter.com/CaitJGibson/status/871840440412254212

Good, lock her ass up. Also, how old is she? I'm guessing that she is a millennial.
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