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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-05 17:57:01
June 05 2017 17:56 GMT
#155241
On June 06 2017 02:12 a_flayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2017 02:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On June 06 2017 02:01 On_Slaught wrote:
Outside of tier 2 and up special operations guys and select SWAT teams, there is basically nobody in this country I would trust in a shootout to be accurate and effective. We don't need to turn every shooting into the O.K. corral. And I say this as someone with a CCW.

You can trust me. I'll save the day with my 4 years USMC training with rifles. As long as the target is paper and not moving and we have ideal wind conditions. /s (but not really)

Wait, is the /s tag for the "as long as the target is paper" etc and you can in fact hit people while they're on the move? Or does the "(but not really)" negate the /s and you can't do that after all? Or does the /s refer to "you can trust me" and is THAT negated by the "(but not really)"?

I'm so confused...


Standard soldiers, like most cops, most feds, and civilians, are trained to shoot stationary targets from a stationary position. This is not good training for real life combat. You need people who do killhouse type drills (moving and shooting) and who train shooting constantly.

The book Inside Delta Force talks about this with cops. When you are trained to look at your sights when shooting, that is useless training for combat.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
June 05 2017 17:57 GMT
#155242
On June 06 2017 02:47 Plansix wrote:
Did we talk about the Qatar thing yet? I can't help but thing that Trump's visit and attacking Iran during it weirdly emboldened Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Egypt and the United Arab Emirates. Or maybe they just made the call that there would be no consequences after meeting him.

It is going to get weird if we need to give up that air base if Qatar decides Iran is their new buddy.


I think the weakness we are seeing is the Trump administration's inability to keep the lights on with issues that aren't big headlines. His administration has such a poor, inefficient infrastructure that issues which are very important, but "background", are going to get overlooked or just straight up ignored. This will weaken us significantly long term.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 05 2017 18:01 GMT
#155243
Speaking of the executive in a slightly better light, apparently they are moving to digitize health records. A good "about damn time" by the Trumpster.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 05 2017 18:15 GMT
#155244
On June 06 2017 03:01 LegalLord wrote:
Speaking of the executive in a slightly better light, apparently they are moving to digitize health records. A good "about damn time" by the Trumpster.

any links handy?
wasn't some of that required by the ACA?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 05 2017 18:16 GMT
#155245
On June 06 2017 03:15 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2017 03:01 LegalLord wrote:
Speaking of the executive in a slightly better light, apparently they are moving to digitize health records. A good "about damn time" by the Trumpster.

any links handy?
wasn't some of that required by the ACA?

Nope, saw it on TV as I was passing by. Bing it or something.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
June 05 2017 18:20 GMT
#155246
Trump will not block Comey testimony, meaning he probably will:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/05/us/politics/trump-will-not-block-comey-from-testifying-white-house-says.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=65399081&pgtype=Homepage
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-05 18:28:51
June 05 2017 18:27 GMT
#155247
HITECH act already had a ton of provisions for meaningful use and EMR's, dunno what trump is doing beyond that
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-05 18:29:05
June 05 2017 18:28 GMT
#155248
It is using same vendor and system as DOD, so an active duty soldier will still maintain same emr after leaving dod and entering va. Not exactly sure which vendor but I think Cerner?
Question.?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 05 2017 18:31 GMT
#155249
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-05 18:38:04
June 05 2017 18:32 GMT
#155250
Yeah, Cerner Accenture is doing DoD. IIRC MHS Genesis pilot launched in Q1 in like 1 base? It's got a looooong way to go, lol.

So is Trump trying to take credit for an initiative that started years and years ago, or is he gonna make Cerner the official EHR or the US and kill Allscripts and everyone else?
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-05 18:37:24
June 05 2017 18:34 GMT
#155251
On June 06 2017 02:43 LegalLord wrote:
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On June 06 2017 02:39 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On June 06 2017 02:12 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Four months into his presidency, Donald Trump has filled only five of the 53 top jobs at the Pentagon – the slowest pace for nominations and confirmations in over half a century.

Several of his high-profile picks, including Navy and Army secretary nominees, have had to withdraw because of their business entanglements. In other cases, Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis has clashed with the White House, which has blacklisted national security and defense leaders who publicly disagreed with Trump during the 2016 campaign, according to several current and former defense officials.

“In the vetting process there is a lot of scrutiny of social media accounts, Twitter . . . any hint of something negative about Trump as a candidate can be disqualifying, and a lot of people haven’t made it through that filter,” said Christine Wormuth, who served as the Pentagon’s top policy official from 2014 to 2016, under former President Barack Obama’s administration.

The investigation into ties between the Trump campaign and Russian officials is also scaring off people who had been on the fence about joining the administration. Even the opportunity to work under Mattis, who many of the potential picks know and respect, may not be enough.

“With, frankly, the chaos that is happening, people who might have been open to it are asking themselves ‘Do I want to join this administration? How much of an impact will I have? Will I have to get a lawyer?’” Wormuth said.

Trump’s nominees for top Pentagon posts have taken an average of 38 days to be confirmed, compared to 22 days under Obama, 23 during George W. Bush’s administration and 17 during Bill Clinton’s tenure, according to an analysis provided to McClatchy by the Partnership for Public Service, a non-partisan nonprofit that runs programs aimed at improving government hiring.

By this point in Obama’s presidency, 16 appointees had been confirmed and 24 nominated. By June 2, 2001, Bush had 12 confirmed and nominated 17. Trump has seen five confirmed after nominating 12.

The problem isn’t that the Senate isn’t confirming Trump’s picks, but that dozens of national security posts still don’t have nominees. In the meantime, a skeleton crew of holdovers from the Obama administration and career civil servants are doing the day-to-day work at the Defense Department.

“It’s not as if these jobs are in fact vacant, but it’s the equivalent of a substitute teacher,” said Max Stier, who leads the Partnership for Public Service. “Since they are not perceived as having long-term authority, they don’t view their role as addressing those long-term issues and this leads to important decisions being kicked down the road.”

The same issue is mirrored at the State Department, which has eight confirmed appointees out of 120 positions to fill. With the vacancies there and at the Pentagon, policy roles are in limbo at a time when the U.S. faces challenges on multiple fronts, from the Islamic State to Russia, North Korea and China. Trump has filled two of the 16 top jobs at the Department of Homeland Security.

Until early May, Mattis was the the only Pentagon appointee who had been confirmed. Since then, the Senate has confirmed four other appointees: former New Mexico Rep. Heather Wilson as secretary of the Air Force, David Norquist to be comptroller, Robert Story Karem as assistant secretary of defense for international security affairs, and Kari Bingen as principal deputy under secretary of defense for intelligence.

Even if the White House picks up the pace, there will be a significant backlog.

“The Senate can only review so many people at any given time,” Stier said. “It has to deal with competing priorities, healthcare, tax reform . . . Part of the challenge is that by not moving quickly at the beginning you wind up blocking the tracks.”

Trump’s loyalty snag is widely discussed within the national security community, but few defense and security experts will talk about it on the record. Privately, they say the White House is working with a much shorter list of candidates than usual, given that a large number of senior Republican national security officials signed the so-called “Never Trump” letters before the election.

Dozens of experienced national security officials who would have been natural fits for leadership posts, many of them former cabinet members or top aides to Bush, signed a public letter last August saying they would not vote for Trump.

“We are convinced that he would be a dangerous president and would put at risk our country’s national security and well-being,” they wrote in the letter.

Between them and the more than 120 national security leaders who had signed another letter a few months earlier, there are roughly 150 top Republican national security and defense officials that the Trump administration won’t consider.

Mattis wanted Michèle Flournoy, the former undersecretary of defense under Obama, to consider becoming his deputy. When she was interviewed by Trump aides, she was asked “What would it take for you to resign?” she told the New Yorker in an interview. She told Mattis she couldn’t take the job.

Trump ended up tapping Boeing executive Patrick Shanahan for the No. 2 spot in the Pentagon, but two months after his appointment was announced his nomination still has not been submitted formally to the Senate Armed Services Committee.

As with other leaders Trump has tapped from the private sector, the stringent scrutiny of their finances causes a delay. Nominees who go through the process with the Defense Department and the Senate Armed Services Committee have to adhere to strict guidelines that bar them from owning stock and bonds in companies that have Pentagon contracts.

Army secretary nominee Vincent Viola and Navy secretary nominee Philip Bilden withdrew their names after citing difficulties disentangling from their businesses. The second Army secretary nominee, Tennessee state senator Mark Green, withdrew after a fierce backlash because of anti-gay and anti-Muslim remarks he had made.

“Even if you have all your paperwork in order, it’s a really lengthy, substantial process, especially coming from the business community,” said Katherine Kidder, a military personnel expert at the Center for a New American Security.

Given that so many nominees are experienced professionals between the ages of 50 and 65 “if you are facing down retirement it can also be risky to divest,” said Kidder, who served on the defense policy team for Marco Rubio’s 2016 campaign.

When it comes to the military, Trump “has said with his budget it’s a priority, he’s said with his rhetoric it’s a priority, but he has not gone about making [these appointments] a priority,” Kidder said.

This has resulted in several communications mishaps on the international stage. In one case cited by defense officials that could easily have been prevented by effective communication, Trump announced that the U.S. was sending a naval “armada” as a powerful deterrent to North Korea. Meanwhile, the USS Carl Vinson was actually on its way to participate in military exercises 3,500 miles in the opposite direction.

In another, Mattis was taken by surprise when Gen. John Nicholson, the Army general commanding forces in Afghanistan, decided to drop the largest nonnuclear bomb in the U.S. arsenal on Islamic State targets.

More seriously, the near-standstill in filling the empty positions is hampering the Pentagon’s ability to plan long-term policy. The National Defense Strategy review, which attempts a cohesive U.S. defense strategy and policy, would usually be led at the undersecretary or assistant secretary level. It’s a complicated process in the best of circumstances, and not having a full team in place will hinder Mattis’ ability to lay out strategic guidance early on.


Source


Huh. I wonder if they also look at prospective candidates' postings on sites like TL. Would not surprise me (then again, I'm not sure Trump knows about online social interaction beyond Twitter and Facebook).

Ideally, remain anonymous enough while posting online so that no one can find RL you from it. Rarely would people look goodly upon you for posts on a gaming forum if they stumbled upon your posts there.


Well duh. That won't stop insecure people like Trump from demanding you turn over all your accounts when interviewing you and then not hiring you if you refuse.

On June 06 2017 03:16 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2017 03:15 zlefin wrote:
On June 06 2017 03:01 LegalLord wrote:
Speaking of the executive in a slightly better light, apparently they are moving to digitize health records. A good "about damn time" by the Trumpster.

any links handy?
wasn't some of that required by the ACA?

Nope, saw it on TV as I was passing by. Bing it or something.


ACA did touch on it, but the biggest mover for EHR was the 2009 bailout package funnily enough.
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1416 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-05 18:41:56
June 05 2017 18:41 GMT
#155252
On June 06 2017 00:51 KwarK wrote:

It's baffling to me that Trump was tweeting about the London attacks, in which three attackers managed to kill seven people using a van and knives, to bitch about how gun control doesn't help. I can't decide whether I'm more offended by the tactlessness of it or the stupidity. Gun control fucking worked in this instance. They didn't have guns, the police did, just minutes after they started their attack the police showed up and gunned them down.



This tweet is particulary stupid by the way,just imagine they would have had easy acces to guns or even assault rifles.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 05 2017 18:43 GMT
#155253
On June 06 2017 03:41 pmh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2017 00:51 KwarK wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/871331574649901056
It's baffling to me that Trump was tweeting about the London attacks, in which three attackers managed to kill seven people using a van and knives, to bitch about how gun control doesn't help. I can't decide whether I'm more offended by the tactlessness of it or the stupidity. Gun control fucking worked in this instance. They didn't have guns, the police did, just minutes after they started their attack the police showed up and gunned them down.



This tweet is particulary stupid by the way,just imagine they would have had easy acces to guns or even assault rifles.


and then some crazy shot 5 people in orlando today.

The gunman in Monday's fatal shooting spree at an Orlando, Florida, business targeted his victims and had a "negative relationship" with at least one of them, Orlando County Sheriff Jerry Demings said.
"He was certainly singling out the individuals he shot," Demings told reporters Monday afternoon.
The man, who shot to death five people at Fiamma Inc. and then himself, told a new, temporary employee to get out of the building before he opened fire, Demings said.
The gunman was identified as John Robert Neumann, Jr.
Demings named the victims as Robert Snyder, 69; Brenda Motanez-Crespo, 44; Kevin Clark, 53; Kevin Lawson, 46; and Jeffrey Roberts, 57.
Demings said Neumann lived alone and had no family in the area. He was an Army veteran who was honorably discharged in 1999.
Demings said it did not appear Neumann had a concealed weapons permit for the semi-automatic pistol he used.


Source
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Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
June 05 2017 19:18 GMT
#155254
On June 06 2017 03:20 Mohdoo wrote:
Trump will not block Comey testimony, meaning he probably will:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/05/us/politics/trump-will-not-block-comey-from-testifying-white-house-says.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=65399081&pgtype=Homepage


Expect a tweetstorm around 3 AM the morning before Comey's testimony.
Envy fan since NTH.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 05 2017 19:19 GMT
#155255
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
June 05 2017 19:35 GMT
#155256
On June 06 2017 00:57 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2017 00:30 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On June 06 2017 00:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On June 06 2017 00:01 Mohdoo wrote:
Weird incident. If it really was a messaging group, this is a step too far. Unless it was some kinda 200+ person messaging group somehow. Or if it was named Harvard something. Harvard has a lot of image value to maintain and having some rich shits mucking it up with foul stuff isn't going to be allowed.


In the article:

Two incoming students told the Crimson the group was at one point called “Harvard memes for horny bourgeois teens.”

(I don't use facebook) Is a message group viewable by anyone or just the name, or what?

I'd like to see the exact jokes they got banned for, just because I'm a little bit distrustful of how media would choose to relate some of the borderline content that exists out there. Anyway, sad thing to have ruin what was no doubt a lot of hard work, but hard to feel a ton of sympathy if the description is accurate :/


An example from the article was (and Im too lazy to go back and specifically quote it, but this is the gist) using "pinata time" to refer to the hanging of a mexican child.

Yeah i saw it but I mean like full transcript with context.
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8010 Posts
June 05 2017 19:42 GMT
#155257
On June 06 2017 04:35 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2017 00:57 Zambrah wrote:
On June 06 2017 00:30 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On June 06 2017 00:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On June 06 2017 00:01 Mohdoo wrote:
Weird incident. If it really was a messaging group, this is a step too far. Unless it was some kinda 200+ person messaging group somehow. Or if it was named Harvard something. Harvard has a lot of image value to maintain and having some rich shits mucking it up with foul stuff isn't going to be allowed.


In the article:

Two incoming students told the Crimson the group was at one point called “Harvard memes for horny bourgeois teens.”

(I don't use facebook) Is a message group viewable by anyone or just the name, or what?

I'd like to see the exact jokes they got banned for, just because I'm a little bit distrustful of how media would choose to relate some of the borderline content that exists out there. Anyway, sad thing to have ruin what was no doubt a lot of hard work, but hard to feel a ton of sympathy if the description is accurate :/


An example from the article was (and Im too lazy to go back and specifically quote it, but this is the gist) using "pinata time" to refer to the hanging of a mexican child.

Yeah i saw it but I mean like full transcript with context.

Well that has to mean that a lot of moderate conservatives are coming to their mind when it comes to climate change. Ain't too early I would say.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 05 2017 19:50 GMT
#155258
I think that deep down, most people know it to be true that climate change is real. But people's livelihoods sometimes depend on coal or other dirty sources so they are kind of desperate not to see their entire industry come apart.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
June 05 2017 19:54 GMT
#155259
On June 06 2017 04:50 LegalLord wrote:
I think that deep down, most people know it to be true that climate change is real. But people's livelihoods sometimes depend on coal or other dirty sources so they are kind of desperate not to see their entire industry come apart.


It's not just livelihoods which at this point isn't that many people, it's the American idea that nobody should tell you what you eat, drive, or otherwise do with your time. Climate change is such a collective problem that goes so deep into individual behaviour that it pretty much is a direct threat to one of the more fundamental values. If all the private things you do are suddenly dangerous to everybody you can't really deny that intervention is justified. As a consequence you have to deny that the problem exists in the first place.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
June 05 2017 20:48 GMT
#155260
On June 06 2017 04:35 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2017 00:57 Zambrah wrote:
On June 06 2017 00:30 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On June 06 2017 00:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On June 06 2017 00:01 Mohdoo wrote:
Weird incident. If it really was a messaging group, this is a step too far. Unless it was some kinda 200+ person messaging group somehow. Or if it was named Harvard something. Harvard has a lot of image value to maintain and having some rich shits mucking it up with foul stuff isn't going to be allowed.


In the article:

Two incoming students told the Crimson the group was at one point called “Harvard memes for horny bourgeois teens.”

(I don't use facebook) Is a message group viewable by anyone or just the name, or what?

I'd like to see the exact jokes they got banned for, just because I'm a little bit distrustful of how media would choose to relate some of the borderline content that exists out there. Anyway, sad thing to have ruin what was no doubt a lot of hard work, but hard to feel a ton of sympathy if the description is accurate :/


An example from the article was (and Im too lazy to go back and specifically quote it, but this is the gist) using "pinata time" to refer to the hanging of a mexican child.

Yeah i saw it but I mean like full transcript with context.


I'm not sure thats ever going to get out, but I think you can get an alright idea of the kind of stuff they were posting if the hanging mexican child thing was posted. It probably wasn't all horrible and racist, but you have to imagine that some of it was probably pretty nasty
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