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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 23 2017 14:25 GMT
#152261
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
May 23 2017 14:32 GMT
#152262
Bit of local news that some people might find interesting :
A family court judge in Kentucky is being told he has to decide whether to recuse himself in gay adoption requests on a case-by-case basis.

Barren and Metcalfe County Judge Mitchell Nance had asked the state’s Chief Justice to approve a new rule that would allow him to recuse himself from all adoption cases involving LGBT adults.

Chief Justice John Minton Jr. denied the request last week, saying a judge cannot recuse himself from an entire class of cases, because a recusal has to be based on facts or circumstances of an individual case.

Nance filed an order last month saying he wanted to be advised by lawyers if they were bringing cases involving gay adults to his courtroom. He would then recuse himself from those cases because he doesn’t think adoption by “a practicing homosexual” could ever be in the best interest of a child.

Heather Gatnarek is a legal fellow with the Kentucky ACLU.

“Frankly, this is very unusual. Recusal exists for when judges have personal interest or personal bias in a case regarding specific individuals,” said Gatnarek. “What Judge Nance has done here is made public his bias towards an entire class of individuals.”

A spokeswoman for Judge Nance said he’s not commenting on the matter.

Gatnarek says Nance still appears to be operating under his own decision to recuse himself.

“The order that Judge Nance entered in April is public record and if it were rescinded or vacated that would also be in the public court record. As far as we know today, it has not been rescinded or vacated.”

The Family Foundation of Kentucky is supporting Judge Nance’s decision to recuse himself from cases where he may have a personal bias.

The Kentucky ACLU and other legal groups have files a complaint with the Kentucky Judicial Conduct Commission requesting that he be removed from the bench because he is failing to perform his judicial duties impartially.

http://wkyufm.org/post/kentucky-family-court-judge-has-decide-case-case-basis-remove-himself-lgbt-adoptions
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9620 Posts
May 23 2017 14:34 GMT
#152263
it's nice to have the self awareness enough to know he shouldn't preside over cases he has a bias against.

but as the ACLU stated, you're just not a qualified judge anymore.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 23 2017 14:37 GMT
#152264
On May 23 2017 23:34 brian wrote:
it's nice to have the self awareness enough to know he shouldn't preside over cases he has a bias against.

but as the ACLU stated, you're just not a qualified judge anymore.

I bet if I spent enough time I could find a similar story about a judge overseeing interracial adoption cases. But unlike back then, this form of discrimination has a strong religious overtone to it that allows the to lean on freedom of religion. That was never present in common place racism.
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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9620 Posts
May 23 2017 14:44 GMT
#152265
freedom of religion has never been a reason to not do your job. unless you're Mike Pence.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
May 23 2017 14:45 GMT
#152266
http://www.fox13news.com/news/local-news/256159149-story

Another local home grown "terrorist" that went from one extreme side of the spectrum, to the complete opposite side... Wtf. Like you can't make this shit up.


TAMPA (FOX 13) - Tampa police say the teen arrested for Fridays' double murder says he killed his roommates after being angered by the world's "anti-Muslim" sentiments. Devon Arthurs told them he used to be a neo-Nazi, but had recently converted to Islam.

Police arrested the 18-year-old last week for the shooting death of his two roommates at an apartment complex on Amberly Drive.

According to the arrest affidavit, Arthurs made reference to "Allah Mohammed!" while officers walked him to the patrol vehicle after he was taken into custody for holding three people hostage inside a smoke shop.

Arthurs allegedly told police, "I had to do it. This wouldn't have had to happen if your country didn't bomb my country."

In later interviews, detectives say Arthurs told them that he shot his roommates, 22-year-old Jeremy Himmelman and 18-year-old Andrew Oneschuk, because they "disrespected" his Muslim faith.

According to Arthurs, he and the two roommates had previously shared a neo-Nazi belief, until Arthurs converted to Islam. Since converting, he became angered by the world's anti-Muslim sentiment and "wanted to bring attention" to his cause.

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 23 2017 14:47 GMT
#152267
Donald Trump’s election has led to such a steep rise in fundamentalist Christian evangelizing and religious bigotry in the U.S. armed forces that the matter is reaching the level of a “national security threat,” according to information shared exclusively with Newsweek by an organization that represents and advocates for secular and minority religious views in the military.

The number of complaints from servicemen and -women in the Army, Air Force, Marines and other service branches to the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) has doubled in number since November 2016, according to lawyer Michael “Mikey” Weinstein, a former Air Force officer who founded the organization.

Many of the recent charges are coming from members of minority religions, including Roman Catholics, Jews and Muslims, and from atheists. Among the complaints: military family and marital therapy programs are being infused with Protestant Christianity, which would violate the U.S. Constitution; open anti-Semitism; anti-LGBT statements, posters, symbols and bullying; openly anti-Muslim teachers and Islamophobic attacks; a rise in on-base evangelizing; and increased pressure on recruits or lower-level personnel and service members to convert to fundamentalist Christianity.

“With the advent of Trump as the commander in chief of our armed forces, MRFF has experienced a massive influx of new military and civilian personnel complaints of religion-based prejudice and bigotry, most of them coming from non-fundamentalist Christians being persecuted by their military superiors for not being ‘Christian enough,’” Weinstein tells Newsweek.

He says noncommissioned officers at one Air Force base reported that their superiors told them Trump would make it USAF policy that in order for “disbelieving Jews” to be allowed into the USAF or deemed fit for promotions, they would have to show via objectively established behavior that they were at least honestly “considering the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.”

At another base, the wife of a combat-decorated Muslim U.S. Naval officer, who was wearing a Muslim headscarf, was surrounded in the commissary and spit upon and cursed as not being a “true American and being a spy and a terrorist.” She was with her children at the time.

In both situations, the targets complained to the MRFF because they feared retaliation if they went through their chain of command. The MRFF then lodged formal complaints with the service branches, and the incidents were addressed, Weinstein says.

The military recently backtracked on an edict requiring thousands of married couples in a marital program called “Strong Bonds” to participate in Protestant prayer sessions. As of 2014, more than 37,000 Army personnel participated in the Strong Bonds program. On May 19, Brigadier General Christian Rofrano told the MRFF via email that the complaints had been heard. “Presently, the Air National Guard leadership is in the process of rescinding and re-issuing its program guidance,” Rofrano wrote.

Numerous other complaints remain unaddressed. For example, 36 Air Force Global Strike Command personnel complained in March about a plan to include prayer among the activities in its “Year of the Family” program. The AFGSC has approximately 31,000 personnel at Barksdale Air Force Base near Shreveport, Louisiana. It is responsible for the nation’s three intercontinental ballistic nuclear missile wings, the Air Force’s bomber force and operational and maintenance support for organizations within the nuclear enterprise.

More than 100 service members also complained in March when Army Major General Julie Bentz, vice director of the multiservice Joint Improvised-Threat Defeat Organization, gave a speech at the 56th Annual Kansas Prayer Breakfast, during which she stated, “But my greatest privilege is standing in front of my king and my God, carrying every member of my organization to his throne and asking for his protection, his mercy, his love on each of them and their families and whatever are their concerns and burdens of the day.”

One of those who objected to her statement was a senior military officer who wrote to the foundation, saying, “As someone who’s served more than 25 years in uniform, including one assignment at the very organization to which she is now assigned as the deputy, I just can’t imagine a much more inappropriate or disconcerting message.”

In February, the American Civil Liberties Union and the MRFF challenged the Marine Corps Recruit Depot in San Diego over its annual Christmas crèche, arguing that it must allow Jews and other religions to erect religious symbols on its grounds as well. The staff judge advocate declined to review the complaint, judging it “premature.”

The commingling of radical Christianity and the U.S. war fighter has been under way for some time now. In 2007, the Department of Defense’s inspector general issued a report regarding a cadre of ranking DoD officials and officers who “abused their authority” by promoting a video for “Christian Embassy,” a Washington-based, high-level evangelizing outfit with a website designed to make it look like an arm of the U.S. government.

Fundamentalist views are decidedly in the minority in the general population, but they have adherents in some of the U.S. military’s most powerful positions, especially in and around Washington, D.C., and in Colorado Springs, home of the U.S. Air Force Academy and the nation’s nuclear command center.


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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
May 23 2017 14:50 GMT
#152268
Interesting to see trump switch from radical Muslim terrorist to losers. I guess his supporters will promptly abandon the argument that we need to properly identify the threat.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
May 23 2017 14:53 GMT
#152269
People bringing religion into politics won't ever stop happening, sadly.
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11528 Posts
May 23 2017 15:01 GMT
#152270
On May 23 2017 23:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:
http://www.fox13news.com/news/local-news/256159149-story

Another local home grown "terrorist" that went from one extreme side of the spectrum, to the complete opposite side... Wtf. Like you can't make this shit up.


Show nested quote +
TAMPA (FOX 13) - Tampa police say the teen arrested for Fridays' double murder says he killed his roommates after being angered by the world's "anti-Muslim" sentiments. Devon Arthurs told them he used to be a neo-Nazi, but had recently converted to Islam.

Police arrested the 18-year-old last week for the shooting death of his two roommates at an apartment complex on Amberly Drive.

According to the arrest affidavit, Arthurs made reference to "Allah Mohammed!" while officers walked him to the patrol vehicle after he was taken into custody for holding three people hostage inside a smoke shop.

Arthurs allegedly told police, "I had to do it. This wouldn't have had to happen if your country didn't bomb my country."

In later interviews, detectives say Arthurs told them that he shot his roommates, 22-year-old Jeremy Himmelman and 18-year-old Andrew Oneschuk, because they "disrespected" his Muslim faith.

According to Arthurs, he and the two roommates had previously shared a neo-Nazi belief, until Arthurs converted to Islam. Since converting, he became angered by the world's anti-Muslim sentiment and "wanted to bring attention" to his cause.



Turns out Neonazis are anti-Muslim. Who would have thought.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15690 Posts
May 23 2017 15:01 GMT
#152271
Sometimes its funny to stop for a moment and realize: There are people who see ethical concerns regarding where a penis goes. Its such a ridiculous concept that sometimes I just have to take a moment and think "man, how fucking retarded"
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11528 Posts
May 23 2017 15:02 GMT
#152272
On May 24 2017 00:01 Mohdoo wrote:
Sometimes its funny to stop for a moment and realize: There are people who see ethical concerns regarding where a penis goes. Its such a ridiculous concept that sometimes I just have to take a moment and think "man, how fucking retarded"


Well, there are some ethical concerns regarding peni that make sense. For example, if the person who the penis is supposed to go into does not what that penis in there.

But in general, i agree with you. It is really weird.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15690 Posts
May 23 2017 15:04 GMT
#152273
On May 24 2017 00:02 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2017 00:01 Mohdoo wrote:
Sometimes its funny to stop for a moment and realize: There are people who see ethical concerns regarding where a penis goes. Its such a ridiculous concept that sometimes I just have to take a moment and think "man, how fucking retarded"


Well, there are some ethical concerns regarding peni that make sense. For example, if the person who the penis is supposed to go into does not what that penis in there.

But in general, i agree with you. It is really weird.


I mean, sure, but that's clearly not what I was referring to. I am saying it blows my mind that people see a difference between it going in a male or a female. The fact that people could believe "yeah, I can understand why god would want to prevent that" makes me lol
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
May 23 2017 15:10 GMT
#152274
It's utter bullshit, we should just start teaching old Greek, and Roman culture early on. Those people fucked anything that walked.
Life?
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7890 Posts
May 23 2017 15:14 GMT
#152275
On May 23 2017 21:58 Slydie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2017 21:31 Biff The Understudy wrote:
1- Get elected with a racist platform treating all muslim as terrorists abd proposing to ban all of them to even fucking visit, by people who anyway call islam a cancer.

2- Sell for a gazillion dollars of weapons to the one biggest fundamentalist radical islamic dictatorship in the world that is known for its shadowy relationship to international terrorism.

3- Logic!?!? None to be found, but no one who supports you care about that since day one.

4- Profit from your supporters expressing their satisfaction at the great job you are doing.


Money talks, Trump is a capitalist. Nothing too different to most other US presidents. I love irony in the fact that Saudi-Arabia essentialy IS in the south what ISIS has tried to build in the north.

That trip might make it harder to play the islamophobia card in the future, though.

Oh don't be so sure, it's amazing what you can do and get away with when both you and your supporters live in a fact free bubble.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15690 Posts
May 23 2017 15:27 GMT
#152276


Worth watching
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7890 Posts
May 23 2017 15:28 GMT
#152277
On May 24 2017 00:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:
It's utter bullshit, we should just start teaching old Greek, and Roman culture early on. Those people fucked anything that walked.

The only explanation that makes any sense at all to me about how whole societies could have bisexuality as a norm is Freud's innate bisexuality postulate. Then again there is no consensus among biologists on the matter.

That being said, that people think that god created and rules a universe that has at least two trillion galaxies with 100 billion stars each, with each star having sometimes a dozen planets, but that what he really cares about is who those hairless monkeys have sex with and that they don't masturbate is absolutely hillarious.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
May 23 2017 15:28 GMT
#152278
On May 23 2017 23:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:
http://www.fox13news.com/news/local-news/256159149-story

Another local home grown "terrorist" that went from one extreme side of the spectrum, to the complete opposite side... Wtf. Like you can't make this shit up.


Show nested quote +
TAMPA (FOX 13) - Tampa police say the teen arrested for Fridays' double murder says he killed his roommates after being angered by the world's "anti-Muslim" sentiments. Devon Arthurs told them he used to be a neo-Nazi, but had recently converted to Islam.

Police arrested the 18-year-old last week for the shooting death of his two roommates at an apartment complex on Amberly Drive.

According to the arrest affidavit, Arthurs made reference to "Allah Mohammed!" while officers walked him to the patrol vehicle after he was taken into custody for holding three people hostage inside a smoke shop.

Arthurs allegedly told police, "I had to do it. This wouldn't have had to happen if your country didn't bomb my country."

In later interviews, detectives say Arthurs told them that he shot his roommates, 22-year-old Jeremy Himmelman and 18-year-old Andrew Oneschuk, because they "disrespected" his Muslim faith.

According to Arthurs, he and the two roommates had previously shared a neo-Nazi belief, until Arthurs converted to Islam. Since converting, he became angered by the world's anti-Muslim sentiment and "wanted to bring attention" to his cause.



In /pol/ there are many posts for that transition. Because of their neo-nazi ways, and their "anti-degeneracy" , you see people claiming that Islam is the true red pill because it promotes traditional families as in treating woman's badly, and prohibit alcohol and drugs. And a bunch of other stuff. The point is, a mainly racist white nationalist bigot board, has plenty of Islam supporters, in the middle of the "remove kebab" chants.
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bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-23 15:33:41
May 23 2017 15:32 GMT
#152279
On May 23 2017 22:47 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2017 11:35 biology]major wrote:
I hope sooner or later people will be able to overcome the pc labels and just use the terms radical islamism. It is time to just be honest and truthful rather than using vague terminology to avoid harming a minority group's feelings. I see this trend changing now, ever since trump it is actually being used more commonly. Just saw fareed zakaria say radical islamism/jihadism lol

Islam is as central to ISIS as being white dudes is to the Nazis but nobody insists that every time we talk about the Nazis we call them white Europeans and allude that their being white Europeans is possibly what caused it. And nor should they, most of the Nazis' victims were white Europeans and most of the people who ended up destroying the Nazi regime were white Europeans. Tarring both sides with the same brush would be dumb and spit on the memory of those who died resisting. This is the same. The majority of the people fighting radical Islam are Muslims. The majority of the victims of radical Islam are Muslims.

What silly false equivalence. Whenever we talk about Nazis we talk about their ideology, just like we do with Islamists.
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
May 23 2017 15:33 GMT
#152280
This "but where is the evidence" defense is crap. At this point in the Russia investigation the standard is probable cause. We know enough to justify more investigations, subpoenas, grand jury summons, depositions, and further work by FBI agents. We have the Manafort payments, the intercepts about Carter page, the intercepts about Flynn's payments, and Trump's idiotic words admitting he tried to shut down the Flynn investigation. That isn't 'evidence' aka proof of a crime. But it certainly is probable cause for a wider investigation.
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