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On May 18 2017 12:51 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2017 12:48 Leporello wrote:On May 18 2017 12:40 ChristianS wrote:
To be clear, I'm not saying I think the Centipede Army is going to take over Washington DC or anything. But there's supposedly 400,000 people (who knows how much they've artificially inflated their subscriber numbers, that's anyone's guess) in that community, and apparently over there when someone talks about literally taking over DC by force that shit gets upvoted.
My immediate impulse is to stop going to those parts of the internet and go back to pretending they don't exist. But seriously, that's some toxic ideology brewing over there. Does that not seem like the sort of thing that can lead to terrorist groups? I mean, you can look at SPLC and find these people are everywhere. Right-wing extremists have been talking "revolution" shit for decades, like it's going to happen tomorrow. It's kind of funny, until you get some Dylan Roof asshole who shoots up a place, and hurts some innocent folk. That's the danger, I guess. But... these people are ALWAYS mad, and ALWAYS have an excuse to martyr themselves if they want. American-Taliban. Fox news is already beginning to lay the groundwork of a violent unrest if impeachment were to occur. They refer to trump's base as "people who do more than protest on streets" and are "not to be taken lightly" etc etc
Fox news is going to have congress crashing down on their heads if they don't know it off. They are already peddling conspiracy theories to avoid covering reality. They start going after congress for doing what they are supposed to do, congress with slap them hard.
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On May 18 2017 12:51 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2017 12:48 Leporello wrote:On May 18 2017 12:40 ChristianS wrote:
To be clear, I'm not saying I think the Centipede Army is going to take over Washington DC or anything. But there's supposedly 400,000 people (who knows how much they've artificially inflated their subscriber numbers, that's anyone's guess) in that community, and apparently over there when someone talks about literally taking over DC by force that shit gets upvoted.
My immediate impulse is to stop going to those parts of the internet and go back to pretending they don't exist. But seriously, that's some toxic ideology brewing over there. Does that not seem like the sort of thing that can lead to terrorist groups? I mean, you can look at SPLC and find these people are everywhere. Right-wing extremists have been talking "revolution" shit for decades, like it's going to happen tomorrow. It's kind of funny, until you get some Dylan Roof asshole who shoots up a place, and hurts some innocent folk. That's the danger, I guess. But... these people are ALWAYS mad, and ALWAYS have an excuse to martyr themselves if they want. American-Taliban. Fox news is already beginning to lay the groundwork of a violent unrest if impeachment were to occur. They refer to trump's base as "people who do more than protest on streets" and are "not to be taken lightly" etc etc
I'm still chalking it up to "bluster" until I hear something that actually has the slightest hint of organization to it.
Still, good on Fox News for shouting "Fire" in a crowded theater. Nothing wrong about that.
Probably looking for anything to talk about that doesn't involve Trump and/or sexual-molestation.
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On May 18 2017 12:54 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2017 12:45 TheTenthDoc wrote:On May 18 2017 12:40 Danglars wrote:
I haven't heard the conspiracy theorists explain why Comey testified under oath that the Trump administration hadn't pressured him to stop the investigation. "It's not happened." I guess special counsel this week, perjury proceedings next week. Umm. Did you watch the testimony? He said under oath that the DOJ and AG didn't ask him to stop an investigation-unfortunately, none of the conservative rags are reporting what question was asked, which specifies AG/senior DOJ officials. Not that nobody in the Trump admin did. Sessions and the DOJ aren't dumb enough to fuck up like Trump. I'm glad you've absorbed the latest conservative talking points though! It makes my job easier. Edit: Basically, his statement was standard hedging and nothing in the revealed memo indicates it's perjury afaik Conservative talking points? Cute, bro. I'm pretty incredulous that Trump impeded the progress of the investigation and he's squirming and dodging in sworn testimony because the question was senior doj officials and not Trump administration officials. But you're right, he could dodge the perjury charge on the basis of the question.
I mean, if you google "Comey perjury" it's pretty much the story du jour on the right-wing mediasphere, all citing that specific testimony that does not in any way involve him saying under oath Trump never impeded the investigation. Just like yesterday the story du jour was a sinister conspiracy regarding the assassination of a Wikileaks leaker based upon testimony from a private eye who recanted the next day.
I call something every conservative outlet is blasting in a desperation distraction attempt that pops up on an online message board a conservative talking point.
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On May 18 2017 13:21 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2017 12:54 Danglars wrote:On May 18 2017 12:45 TheTenthDoc wrote:On May 18 2017 12:40 Danglars wrote:
I haven't heard the conspiracy theorists explain why Comey testified under oath that the Trump administration hadn't pressured him to stop the investigation. "It's not happened." I guess special counsel this week, perjury proceedings next week. Umm. Did you watch the testimony? He said under oath that the DOJ and AG didn't ask him to stop an investigation-unfortunately, none of the conservative rags are reporting what question was asked, which specifies AG/senior DOJ officials. Not that nobody in the Trump admin did. Sessions and the DOJ aren't dumb enough to fuck up like Trump. I'm glad you've absorbed the latest conservative talking points though! It makes my job easier. Edit: Basically, his statement was standard hedging and nothing in the revealed memo indicates it's perjury afaik Conservative talking points? Cute, bro. I'm pretty incredulous that Trump impeded the progress of the investigation and he's squirming and dodging in sworn testimony because the question was senior doj officials and not Trump administration officials. But you're right, he could dodge the perjury charge on the basis of the question. I mean, if you google "Comey perjury" it's pretty much the story du jour on the right-wing mediasphere, all citing that specific testimony that does not in any way involve him saying under oath Trump never impeded the investigation. Just like yesterday the story du jour was a sinister conspiracy regarding the assassination of a Wikileaks leaker based upon testimony from a private eye who recanted the next day. I call something every conservative outlet is blasting in a desperation distraction attempt that pops up on an online message board a conservative talking point.
I paid attention to the event when it happened. Now that there's some memo (lol leaked by close Comey aide, mhmm) that's going around alleging obstruction, I looked it up again. He either deftly protected his boss Trump by only answering the question as to a lower level of administration, or never felt pressured at all. I don't know how much conservative blogosphere is alleging, but this whole business stinks. It must be high school again when you spread rumors of a diary page and don't come out and say it. The good news is one of the investigations, 3 soon to be 4, will have sworn testimony from twenty angles so he clearly puts it into the record according to him.
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How many Benghazi investigations, 8 or 9? 3 or 4 for this is nothing.
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On May 18 2017 13:31 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2017 13:21 TheTenthDoc wrote:On May 18 2017 12:54 Danglars wrote:On May 18 2017 12:45 TheTenthDoc wrote:On May 18 2017 12:40 Danglars wrote:
I haven't heard the conspiracy theorists explain why Comey testified under oath that the Trump administration hadn't pressured him to stop the investigation. "It's not happened." I guess special counsel this week, perjury proceedings next week. Umm. Did you watch the testimony? He said under oath that the DOJ and AG didn't ask him to stop an investigation-unfortunately, none of the conservative rags are reporting what question was asked, which specifies AG/senior DOJ officials. Not that nobody in the Trump admin did. Sessions and the DOJ aren't dumb enough to fuck up like Trump. I'm glad you've absorbed the latest conservative talking points though! It makes my job easier. Edit: Basically, his statement was standard hedging and nothing in the revealed memo indicates it's perjury afaik Conservative talking points? Cute, bro. I'm pretty incredulous that Trump impeded the progress of the investigation and he's squirming and dodging in sworn testimony because the question was senior doj officials and not Trump administration officials. But you're right, he could dodge the perjury charge on the basis of the question. I mean, if you google "Comey perjury" it's pretty much the story du jour on the right-wing mediasphere, all citing that specific testimony that does not in any way involve him saying under oath Trump never impeded the investigation. Just like yesterday the story du jour was a sinister conspiracy regarding the assassination of a Wikileaks leaker based upon testimony from a private eye who recanted the next day. I call something every conservative outlet is blasting in a desperation distraction attempt that pops up on an online message board a conservative talking point. I paid attention to the event when it happened. Now that there's some memo (lol leaked by close Comey aide, mhmm) that's going around alleging obstruction, I looked it up again. He either deftly protected his boss Trump by only answering the question as to a lower level of administration, or never felt pressured at all. I don't know how much conservative blogosphere is alleging, but this whole business stinks. It must be high school again when you spread rumors of a diary page and don't come out and say it. The good news is one of the investigations, 3 soon to be 4, will have sworn testimony from twenty angles so he clearly puts it into the record according to him.
I mean we don't actually have any memo or the recording yet. No reason to get worked up until we have something real. Until then it's just hype and speculation and trusting or not wapo who isn't exactly the most impartial of newspapers.
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On May 18 2017 13:31 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2017 13:21 TheTenthDoc wrote:On May 18 2017 12:54 Danglars wrote:On May 18 2017 12:45 TheTenthDoc wrote:On May 18 2017 12:40 Danglars wrote:
I haven't heard the conspiracy theorists explain why Comey testified under oath that the Trump administration hadn't pressured him to stop the investigation. "It's not happened." I guess special counsel this week, perjury proceedings next week. Umm. Did you watch the testimony? He said under oath that the DOJ and AG didn't ask him to stop an investigation-unfortunately, none of the conservative rags are reporting what question was asked, which specifies AG/senior DOJ officials. Not that nobody in the Trump admin did. Sessions and the DOJ aren't dumb enough to fuck up like Trump. I'm glad you've absorbed the latest conservative talking points though! It makes my job easier. Edit: Basically, his statement was standard hedging and nothing in the revealed memo indicates it's perjury afaik Conservative talking points? Cute, bro. I'm pretty incredulous that Trump impeded the progress of the investigation and he's squirming and dodging in sworn testimony because the question was senior doj officials and not Trump administration officials. But you're right, he could dodge the perjury charge on the basis of the question. I mean, if you google "Comey perjury" it's pretty much the story du jour on the right-wing mediasphere, all citing that specific testimony that does not in any way involve him saying under oath Trump never impeded the investigation. Just like yesterday the story du jour was a sinister conspiracy regarding the assassination of a Wikileaks leaker based upon testimony from a private eye who recanted the next day. I call something every conservative outlet is blasting in a desperation distraction attempt that pops up on an online message board a conservative talking point. I paid attention to the event when it happened. Now that there's some memo (lol leaked by close Comey aide, mhmm) that's going around alleging obstruction, I looked it up again. He either deftly protected his boss Trump by only answering the question as to a lower level of administration, or never felt pressured at all. I don't know how much conservative blogosphere is alleging, but this whole business stinks. It must be high school again when you spread rumors of a diary page and don't come out and say it. The good news is one of the investigations, 3 soon to be 4, will have sworn testimony from twenty angles so he clearly puts it into the record according to him.
It was pretty obvious watching him testify he wanted to say as little about that case as he possibly could in order to be able to conduct it freely. Its pretty standard police procedure (and really FBI would of course follow that) to keep your cards as close to the chest as you possibly can so if he sees a way to not give away information of course he is going to take it.
If one of them were smart enough to ask about the administration I can almost guarantee he would have said something like "I am not going to answer questions about every single little detail of the investigation. The only thing I will confirm is that we are investigating the connections between the campaign and Russia."
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On May 18 2017 13:56 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2017 13:31 Danglars wrote:On May 18 2017 13:21 TheTenthDoc wrote:On May 18 2017 12:54 Danglars wrote:On May 18 2017 12:45 TheTenthDoc wrote:On May 18 2017 12:40 Danglars wrote:
I haven't heard the conspiracy theorists explain why Comey testified under oath that the Trump administration hadn't pressured him to stop the investigation. "It's not happened." I guess special counsel this week, perjury proceedings next week. Umm. Did you watch the testimony? He said under oath that the DOJ and AG didn't ask him to stop an investigation-unfortunately, none of the conservative rags are reporting what question was asked, which specifies AG/senior DOJ officials. Not that nobody in the Trump admin did. Sessions and the DOJ aren't dumb enough to fuck up like Trump. I'm glad you've absorbed the latest conservative talking points though! It makes my job easier. Edit: Basically, his statement was standard hedging and nothing in the revealed memo indicates it's perjury afaik Conservative talking points? Cute, bro. I'm pretty incredulous that Trump impeded the progress of the investigation and he's squirming and dodging in sworn testimony because the question was senior doj officials and not Trump administration officials. But you're right, he could dodge the perjury charge on the basis of the question. I mean, if you google "Comey perjury" it's pretty much the story du jour on the right-wing mediasphere, all citing that specific testimony that does not in any way involve him saying under oath Trump never impeded the investigation. Just like yesterday the story du jour was a sinister conspiracy regarding the assassination of a Wikileaks leaker based upon testimony from a private eye who recanted the next day. I call something every conservative outlet is blasting in a desperation distraction attempt that pops up on an online message board a conservative talking point. I paid attention to the event when it happened. Now that there's some memo (lol leaked by close Comey aide, mhmm) that's going around alleging obstruction, I looked it up again. He either deftly protected his boss Trump by only answering the question as to a lower level of administration, or never felt pressured at all. I don't know how much conservative blogosphere is alleging, but this whole business stinks. It must be high school again when you spread rumors of a diary page and don't come out and say it. The good news is one of the investigations, 3 soon to be 4, will have sworn testimony from twenty angles so he clearly puts it into the record according to him. I mean we don't actually have any memo or the recording yet. No reason to get worked up until we have something real. Until then it's just hype and speculation and trusting or not wapo who isn't exactly the most impartial of newspapers.
What's been quoted in the memo isn't enough anyway. Comey would have to get on the stand and explicitly say that Trump was coercing him into stopping the investigation, and for that testimony to be sufficiently credible, there'd have to be something in the contemporaneous memos stating just that.
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I think that at this point we have conclusively proven that Trump is pretty damn incompetent and likes to surround himself with all manner of pond scum from the bottom of the swamp. But the media blitz makes it quite hard to figure out what beyond that can be properly pinned on him or his closest surrogates.
In other words, I'm finding it kind of hard to get a good "where do we stand" summary in relation to the Trumpster fire.
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all that is solid melts into air and once sacred facts are profaned
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President Donald Trump, amid his own swirling controversies, advised United States Coast Guard Academy graduates that while things aren't always fair, "you have to put your head down and fight, fight, fight."
The comment was a clear reference to the fact that Trump's White House is now besieged by bipartisan questions about his alleged request that former FBI Director James Comey to halt an investigation into his former top national security aide.
"Never, never, never give up. Things will work out just fine," he said in New London, Connecticut, Wednesday.
Then, dropping the pretext even more, he bemoaned the media coverage of his presidency.
"Look at the way I have been treated lately, especially by the media," he said. "No politician in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly. You can't let them get you down, you can't let the critics and the naysayers get in the way of your dreams."
The comment was well received by the pro-Trump crowd. People in "Make America Great Again" hats and Trump shirt applauded as the President slammed succumbing adversity.
"I guess that is why we won," Trump said, a reference to his 2016 election win, something the President often does.
"Adversity makes your stronger," he added. "Don't give in. Don't back down and never stop doing what you know is right. Nothing worth doing ever, ever, ever came easy. And the more righteous your fight, the most opposition you will face."
Trump argued that the controversy was something only the media cared about.
"The people understand what I am doing and that is the most important thing," Trump said. "I didn't get elected to serve the Washington media or special interest."
CNN
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On May 18 2017 16:07 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +President Donald Trump, amid his own swirling controversies, advised United States Coast Guard Academy graduates that while things aren't always fair, "you have to put your head down and fight, fight, fight."
The comment was a clear reference to the fact that Trump's White House is now besieged by bipartisan questions about his alleged request that former FBI Director James Comey to halt an investigation into his former top national security aide.
"Never, never, never give up. Things will work out just fine," he said in New London, Connecticut, Wednesday.
Then, dropping the pretext even more, he bemoaned the media coverage of his presidency.
"Look at the way I have been treated lately, especially by the media," he said. "No politician in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly. You can't let them get you down, you can't let the critics and the naysayers get in the way of your dreams."
The comment was well received by the pro-Trump crowd. People in "Make America Great Again" hats and Trump shirt applauded as the President slammed succumbing adversity.
"I guess that is why we won," Trump said, a reference to his 2016 election win, something the President often does.
"Adversity makes your stronger," he added. "Don't give in. Don't back down and never stop doing what you know is right. Nothing worth doing ever, ever, ever came easy. And the more righteous your fight, the most opposition you will face."
Trump argued that the controversy was something only the media cared about.
"The people understand what I am doing and that is the most important thing," Trump said. "I didn't get elected to serve the Washington media or special interest." CNN
"No politician in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly"
Donald Trump was banned. Reason: Martyring.
Seriously. Will this guy ever shut the fuck up with his hyperbolic bullshit? His way of insulting people's intelligence should give anyone with an atom of self respect enough reasons to oppose him at any cost. And by the way how would he even know, he just discovered Lincoln was a republican.
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That quote is hilarious when you don't factor in 8 years of Obama hatred. If you have amnesia of those years, and then forget Bush, and maybe Kennedy and Lincoln and Nixon and some others, then yes, he has been treated the most unfairly.
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On May 18 2017 16:26 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2017 16:07 Danglars wrote:President Donald Trump, amid his own swirling controversies, advised United States Coast Guard Academy graduates that while things aren't always fair, "you have to put your head down and fight, fight, fight."
The comment was a clear reference to the fact that Trump's White House is now besieged by bipartisan questions about his alleged request that former FBI Director James Comey to halt an investigation into his former top national security aide.
"Never, never, never give up. Things will work out just fine," he said in New London, Connecticut, Wednesday.
Then, dropping the pretext even more, he bemoaned the media coverage of his presidency.
"Look at the way I have been treated lately, especially by the media," he said. "No politician in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly. You can't let them get you down, you can't let the critics and the naysayers get in the way of your dreams."
The comment was well received by the pro-Trump crowd. People in "Make America Great Again" hats and Trump shirt applauded as the President slammed succumbing adversity.
"I guess that is why we won," Trump said, a reference to his 2016 election win, something the President often does.
"Adversity makes your stronger," he added. "Don't give in. Don't back down and never stop doing what you know is right. Nothing worth doing ever, ever, ever came easy. And the more righteous your fight, the most opposition you will face."
Trump argued that the controversy was something only the media cared about.
"The people understand what I am doing and that is the most important thing," Trump said. "I didn't get elected to serve the Washington media or special interest." CNN "No politician in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly"Donald Trump was banned. Reason: Martyring. Seriously. Will this guy ever shut the fuck up with his hyperbolic bullshit? His way of insulting people's intelligence should give anyone with an atom of self respect enough reasons to oppose him at any cost. And by the way how would he even know, he just discovered Lincoln was a republican.
So.. does he expect to get assassinated? I guess he just doesn't know about Reagan, Kennedy, Lincoln etc.. But who can blame him? They were after all relatively unimportant compared to him
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On a related note, there's a meme with that "no politician in history" quote superimposed overtop an image taken from the zapruder film circulating Facebook atm. Pretty gruesome stuff, but it makes the point well enough.
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Teddy Roosevelt didn't even care he got shot, instead choosing to finish his speech rather than go to the hospital.
Trump's just a whining baby.
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Nelson Mandela exists and might have faced a bit more struggle than Trump.
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Yea, Mandela was imprisoned longer than I was alive, how crazy is that
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On May 18 2017 12:40 ChristianS wrote:
To be clear, I'm not saying I think the Centipede Army is going to take over Washington DC or anything. But there's supposedly 400,000 people (who knows how much they've artificially inflated their subscriber numbers, that's anyone's guess) in that community, and apparently over there when someone talks about literally taking over DC by force that shit gets upvoted.
My immediate impulse is to stop going to those parts of the internet and go back to pretending they don't exist. But seriously, that's some toxic ideology brewing over there. Does that not seem like the sort of thing that can lead to terrorist groups?
Time to shut down reddit and put some redditors behind bars for conspiring against the state. We have free speech and all but that doesn't mean you can say anything on a well respected and widely popular internet forum. We cant have this talk of revolution and resistance just go unpunished,its a dangerous precedent.
Will trump survive? it is starting to look increasingly unlikely. Would be a bit early for the gop to drop him or would pence be strong enough to still get a lot of things done after a hypothetical resignation from trump?
Wonder who will have the honor to bring trump the news,must be fun to say to trump "you are fired" lol.
Oh well we will see,and if he doesn't fall now then maybe with the next story. The drama continues,
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