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On May 16 2017 23:33 Mohdoo wrote:
Poor McMaster. Left with a choice of "Do I tell the truth and get fired, or do I take a chance that I am proven a liar"
Rosenstein is the same way. That memo about Comey is clearly an attempt to back fill Trump’s reasoning to fire Comey. A couple Senators pointed out that it isn’t even in the correct format for a memo of recommendation. It provides no citations of the specific laws or statutes violated and reads like a political statement.
Everyone is going to get burned.
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On May 16 2017 23:37 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2017 23:21 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Guys, it's fine. Trump and his supporters have always said it was ok to mishandle classified informations and be investigated by the FBI. Oh wait.
In all seriousness, I know it's petty but I'm having a truly great time reading our fellow trumpists saying it's no big deal and nothing is proven while remembering the thousand pages of trash about Clinton using the wrong server for her email and being investigated by it. Hearing about liberal's mouths foaming and whitch hunt is even more tasty.
More of this please. The creme de la creme(fight me, qwerty accenting is hard) is when the republicans get all defensive about it and accuse the democrats of partisan hackery.
It's indeed quite entertaining, especially considering the gravity of Trump's situation and what he is investigated for, compared to what Hillary did.
But then again it's guilty pleasure. There were already little doubts about what Republicans would have said if Hillary had been a serial adulterer bragging on tape to be able to grab young men by the dick, had lied about everything during her campaign and had been at the centre of scandals of the magnitude of the Trump Foundation and the Trump University.
But maybe we are wrong. Maybe our friends would have been super cautious and careful if Clinton had been elected and had just disclosed classified stuff to the Russians that jeopardize the intel effort of the US and its allies. Just kidding.
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Just listened to the 9th circuit travel ban argument (can see the video on cspan). Arguments against the EO were orders of magnitude stronger in this case as opposed to the 4ths case last week. If Katyal argues/writes the brief in SCOTUS case instead of the ACLU scrub things might get interesting.
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On May 16 2017 23:48 On_Slaught wrote:
Just listened to the 9th circuit travel ban argument (can see the video on cspan). Arguments against the EO were orders of magnitude stronger in this case as opposed to the 4ths case last week. If Katyal argues/writes the brief in SCOTUS case instead of the ACLU scrub things might get interesting.
To be fair to the ACLU, that attorney on that case might have just been bad. Or the grounds for their case might not be as strong as the state’s case. The ACLU is essentially legal aid. And from experience, not all legal aid is created equal. Even within the same office and agency.
But the State's case seems to be much stronger and better reasoned.
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katyal is also simply a much better lawyer. dude was acting solicitor general.
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Who is the SCOTUS swing vote on establishment clause issues? Kennedy? Roberts?
Gorsuch wrote Hobby Lobby and the Yellowbear decisions, they seem to support freedom of religion?
Not even considering Alito or Thomas.
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On May 17 2017 00:12 prplhz wrote:
Who is the SCOTUS swing vote on establishment clause issues? Kennedy? Roberts?
Gorsuch wrote Hobby Lobby and the Yellowbear decisions, they seem to support freedom of religion?
Not even considering Alito or Thomas.
Meh my guess is that the textualist like Gorsuch won't even make it to the Establishment Clause and will likely rule in favor of the President on the grounds that immigration matters fall under his discretion, which is the main Fed argument. Multiple people on this court would probably rule against Korematsu if it happened today as well.
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On May 16 2017 23:35 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2017 23:30 Doodsmack wrote:
Just waiting to see his approval numbers in polls that come out next week. 35-40%, same as now. Those who supported him a week ago will support him regardless of the scandals and investigations. He can't lose their support without personally coming by to fire them from their job. As the man himself said
He can/will lose their support, or at least some of it, just not that quickly. He'll just continue to bleed a 1-2% a month because of these scandals.
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I think an important thing to consider is the difference in information availability and capability in rural areas compared with urban. All of these Trump areas where cattle outnumber humans are not exactly tech centers and not everyone is a direct member of the internet in the same way we see in urban areas. All of these tweets and almost scandals and stuff like that likely just don't even make it to these people.
Not to mention, people have already kind of thrown their hands up and supported the guy anyway less than a year ago. There is a certain amount of pride, which is of course going to give people a certain amount of momentum to overcome. And with Trump's support being much higher in religious circles, there is a lot of societal pressure and reinforcement of supporting him. Churches play a really big role in the development of political views and these communities can become very self-sustaining.
I really just don't see Trump's support falling off until the populists and disgruntled union workers start to lose confidence in him. That isn't going to happen soon because these people know change doesn't happen overnight. Some of these people are likely skeptical and worried after seeing the way he's filling his cabinet (straight up not draining the swamp at all), but they still see potential in the fact that he's an "outsider".
If Trump is able to just kinda ride Obama's economy and healthcare into the midterms, I think republicans will do ok. I don't think they'll lose either the senate or the house in 2018 unless Trump makes big changes that end up being bad.
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United States42419 Posts
The economic correction is currently waiting on tax reform, specifically corporate tax reform. The markets were buoyed up by the suggestion that it was happening and if it doesn't happen then a return to previous levels is likely. Any significant drop nine years into a bull market may in turn trigger a panic and a broader drop. It's in the interests of Republicans to announce only good news in that regard. If they can do it, do it. If they can't do it, say they can do it but they just don't want to right now.
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The Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell, who has been largely silent on President’s Trump’s increasing troubles concerning Russia, carefully pleaded with the administration to stop impeding the Republican agenda Tuesday morning as Democrats prepared to use their limited powers to pressure the White House to reveal more detail about the president’s meeting with Russian officials.
“I think we could do with a little less drama from the White House on a lot of things so that we can focus on our agenda,” Mr. McConnell said in an interview on Bloomberg Television on Tuesday morning, reflecting an increasingly frustrated Republican majority over the near standstill of any policy agenda in the wake of Mr. Trump’s many contentious statements. As if to emphasize that point, when he took the Senate floor on Tuesday, Mr. McConnell again criticized the Affordable Care Act.
www.nytimes.com
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On May 17 2017 00:20 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 00:12 prplhz wrote:
Who is the SCOTUS swing vote on establishment clause issues? Kennedy? Roberts?
Gorsuch wrote Hobby Lobby and the Yellowbear decisions, they seem to support freedom of religion?
Not even considering Alito or Thomas. Meh my guess is that the textualist like Gorsuch won't even make it to the Establishment Clause and will likely rule in favor of the President on the grounds that immigration matters fall under his discretion, which is the main Fed argument. Multiple people on this court would probably rule against Korematsu if it happened today as well.
Well, Korematsu was only 6-3 and it was during a war (an actual war declared by congress and not just this war on terror thing) when the POTUS powers are greatly expanded.
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On May 16 2017 13:31 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2017 13:25 LegalLord wrote:
At this point I hear "this is the blunder/breach of protocol that will end Trump" about twice a week so I put as much stock in it as crazy grandpa's war stories. I'm not sure there's much of a point to arguing against the notion that this will end Trump. No one's really saying this will end Trump. Playing devil's advocate against a straw man gets you nowhere. Same thing with attacking the source.
But it's the dream that we all share, even those of us who can't get along: impeach Trump. We all want to believe.
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Canada13389 Posts
Just ... wow. Thats supposed to make people feel better? If he had known would he have said? Why doesn't he know to begin with? Is he THAT untrustworthy!?!?
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On May 17 2017 00:48 KwarK wrote:
The economic correction is currently waiting on tax reform, specifically corporate tax reform. The markets were buoyed up by the suggestion that it was happening and if it doesn't happen then a return to previous levels is likely. Any significant drop nine years into a bull market may in turn trigger a panic and a broader drop. It's in the interests of Republicans to announce only good news in that regard. If they can do it, do it. If they can't do it, say they can do it but they just don't want to right now.
they'll come out with some plan with a magic growth/ loophole variable, then the CBO will come out with a real estimate which will kill it.
though i suppose given the republicans' attitude shift on russia, the economy and unemployment might mean they're okay with jumbo deficit spending now.
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One thing that I am curious about is how Trump is doing as a person being president. I can't help but wonder if the stress of this whole ordeal is getting to be a bit much. Will he grow as a person and become more resilient to direct criticisms and embarrassments? Or are we going to see a slow descent into complete madness? There are clearly a lot of people working behind the scenes to manage Trump and to keep him out of trouble, but I wonder how long that lasts.
I mean, we're 4 months in. It is still very, very early into his presidency.
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This raises far more questions than it answers.
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On May 17 2017 01:19 Plansix wrote:This raises far more questions than it answers.
I think its a part of the fact that people are trying to manage Trump without Trump knowing.
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United States42419 Posts
On May 17 2017 01:19 Mohdoo wrote:
One thing that I am curious about is how Trump is doing as a person being president. I can't help but wonder if the stress of this whole ordeal is getting to be a bit much. Will he grow as a person and become more resilient to direct criticisms and embarrassments? Or are we going to see a slow descent into complete madness? There are clearly a lot of people working behind the scenes to manage Trump and to keep him out of trouble, but I wonder how long that lasts.
I mean, we're 4 months in. It is still very, very early into his presidency.
They'll just limit his access to information more and more until eventually it's just one of those curved mirrors that shows him a reflection of himself looking slimmer.
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On May 17 2017 01:22 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 01:19 Plansix wrote:This raises far more questions than it answers. I think its a part of the fact that people are trying to manage Trump without Trump knowing.
It still raises a host of questions. Did Trump know it was top secret? Did he know that we didn’t collect that information, even if he didn’t know who did? Who decided to withhold that information? Is this all a lie and Trump totally knew everything?
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