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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On May 03 2017 07:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Well this just got a lot more interesting. You know, I honestly sort of wonder if Yates chose to get fired to acquire some notoriety, considering her relatively frequent news appearances. Not really how I'd go about it but eh, to each their own. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Behind a paywall, but WSJ is reporting that kushner didn't disclose finacial ties to Goldman Sachs and George Soros. Wall Street Journal revealed Kushner’s omission in a Tuesday article. The senior advisor to the President founded a startup in 2014 called Cadre. Kushner’s brother and a friend of his started the company, and it turns out Goldman Sachs and Soros are investors in Cadre, along with Trump supporter Peter Thiel. The newspaper disclosed that the enterprise “secured a $250 million line of credit from the family office of George Soros.” | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On May 03 2017 06:09 LegalLord wrote: Yes, you're very clever for figuring something out about two years later than everyone else already knowing it and then using ye olde canned retorts even where it's not appropriate to do so. Kinda scratching my head on this one. Pretty bizzarre and unsubstantiated assertion no matter how you slice it. If people really did "get it" there would be no reason to talk about it so often. But evidently there is no such understanding - there is merely a desire to deflect and find a way to say that evil, evil Russia, and our ally-turned-traitor James Comey, screwed everything up which was going perfect before. If only the Podesta leaks hadn't taken the steam out of the Access Hollywood tape on the eve of the final, glorious trump card being played against Trump, things would have gone perfect. you're one of the main people bringing it up over and over. so you're the one who doesn't get it  | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On May 03 2017 07:19 Paljas wrote: ^ indeed. Legallord is expected to appear before the HUAC in the following week, so we can put an end to this. Seriosuly though, dont you guys get how insane you sound? Not wanting Russians in the US, unless they share the same opinions like you and like the EU? you don't seem to remotely understand the actual issue. please listen to the others who pointed out your error. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On May 03 2017 07:30 Plansix wrote: Who said that? No one has a problem with Russians, just LegalLord and his constant Russia can do no wrong nationalism. His work travels across several threads. It's funny how in a way I experience this problem coming from Americans, Democrats and Gorsameth (who might just be an American Democrat in disguise!!). It's always things along the lines of "well, yeah, but there are circumstances which make it not a horrible offence" or "well, yeah, but we do good things elsewhere to make up for it!" or "yeah, well, what about the other guy he is so much worse, vote Hillary!" | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On May 03 2017 08:08 a_flayer wrote: It's funny how in a way I experience this problem coming from Americans, Democrats and Gorsameth (who might just be an American Democrat in disguise!!). It's always things along the lines of "well, yeah, but there are circumstances which make it not a horrible offence" or "well, yeah, but we do good things elsewhere to make up for it!" or "yeah, well, what about the other guy he is so much worse, vote Hillary!" I'm sorry but what you just said has literally nothing to do with the post you quoted. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On May 03 2017 08:10 hunts wrote: I'm sorry but what you just said has literally nothing to do with the post you quoted. I think I skipped the dots that connect the two posts in my mind. LegalLord was accused in this thread of using "whataboutism" by Plansix who had referred to his being Russian as the cause of this (a thing that I did not quote directly, but it was said previously and started off this whole argument). Democrats in this thread have said in the past, "vote for Hillary, because what about the other guy!" <- smells like a whataboutism to me LegalLord was accused of Russian nationalism and holding the position that Russia can do no wrong. Criticism against the American hegemony in the world and warmongering in the Middle East has been deflected by some people in this thread with arguments like "well, overall the US is creating stability in the world" or "we do good elsewhere!" Or even "What about Russia, they would be much worse!" Of course, this whole post is a whataboutism, but that's what its all about after all  I don't have a problem with Americans, just certain people and their constant 'the American hegemony is the best thing to happen to the world since sliced bread' nationalism. This attitude is literally everywhere due to the overwhelming force of American media. <- a slight rephrasing of what I quoted from Plansix to suit my own perspective | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21737 Posts
On May 03 2017 08:26 a_flayer wrote: I think I skipped the dots that connect the two posts in my mind. LegalLord was accused in this thread of using "whataboutism" by Plansix who had referred to his being Russian as the cause of this (a thing that I did not quote directly, but it was said previously and started off this whole argument). Democrats in this thread have said in the past, "vote for Hillary, because what about the other guy!" <- smells like a whataboutism to me LegalLord was accused of Russian nationalism and holding the position that Russia can do no wrong. Criticism against the American hegemony in the world and warmongering in the Middle East has been deflected by some people in this thread with arguments like "well, overall the US is creating stability in the world" or "we do good elsewhere!" Or even "What about Russia, they would be much worse!" Of course, this whole post is a whataboutism, but that's what its all about after all I don't have a problem with Americans, just certain people and their constant the American hegemony is the best thing to happen to the world since sliced bread nationalism. This attitude is literally everywhere due to the overwhelming force of American media. Or, and this is the really shocking part, we can disprove of US actions like the Iraq war while still recognising that the US's status as sole superpower has brought relative peace to the world. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
8986 Posts
Hillary Clinton on Tuesday took some responsibility for her historic loss in the presidential election, but mostly blamed a conspiracy against her. “If the election had been on Oct. 27, I would be your president,” Clinton said at the Women for Women event in New York. But she said FBI director James Comey’s letter to Congress announcing that he had reopened his investigation into Clinton’s email practices, combined with the damage Russian hackers inflicted through their disclosure of campaign emails, raised just enough doubt in the minds of voters to cost her the election. Clinton’s refusal to take full responsibility for her loss comes after a flurry of post-election critiques concluded the campaign she ran was deeply flawed, neglecting key groups of voters and failing to project a compelling message. Critics, including some Democrats, also charge Clinton brought the e-mail troubles on herself by setting up a private server in her home on which to conduct confidential government business. “It wasn’t a perfect campaign, there is no such thing,” Clinton said, promising to reflect on her mistakes in an upcoming book she joked will be a “confession” and “request for absolution.” “But I was on the way to winning until the combination of Jim Comey’s letter on Oct. 28th and Russian WikiLeaks raised doubts in the minds of people who were inclined to vote for me but got scared off,” Clinton said. “There was a lot of funny business going on.” Source | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Yurie
11865 Posts
On May 03 2017 08:33 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Scumbag https://twitter.com/reppittenger/status/859494659906818049 So he is promoting people to move to states that provide better health care? Which US states provide better than the federal level? I presume it is the highly populated ones with a lot of industry and economy people are already moving to? | ||
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Sadist
United States7244 Posts
On May 03 2017 08:33 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Scumbag https://twitter.com/reppittenger/status/859494659906818049 Ya hes a prick. Seriously, fuck these people. They are so out of touch with reality its mind blowing. | ||
KwarK
United States42868 Posts
On May 03 2017 08:33 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Scumbag https://twitter.com/reppittenger/status/859494659906818049 I like to consider the reverse. Why not make your state worse than all those around it to encourage people to leave for one of the neighbouring liberal states? If you're on board with not making things better to avoid attracting undesirables then it's no leap to start actively making things worse to push away those undesirables. | ||
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Reaper9
United States1724 Posts
I had a particularly delightful conversation with a libertarian, and he complained he didn't want to pay for any social programs, because he is in his 20s and not sick, and he said he didn't want to pay for, in his words "the fat fucks who contract diabetes because they don't live good life choices." Well sir you may screw yourself, there are people who through no fault of their own, or through genetics contract diseases or ailments out of their control. And then when these libertarians near middle age to later, suddenly it becomes oh look at these youngsters not working hard enough, its their fault for being sick, we pulled ourselves up by our bootstraps, we deserve the benefits. To summarize the thoughts of these cretins "fuck you, get mine". @Kwark, yea except then you have screwed over your entire state, doesn't matter if it has undesirables or not, everything will go to hell including the people already living in it, even for generations. Kansas comes to mind. Americans need to stop fucking over Americans, we are all united under the same banner. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On May 03 2017 09:04 KwarK wrote: I like to consider the reverse. Why not make your state worse than all those around it to encourage people to leave for one of the neighbouring liberal states? If you're on board with not making things better to avoid attracting undesirables then it's no leap to start actively making things worse to push away those undesirables. it's a solid electoral play. push people w/ more economic mobility out of the states, blame dems for the plight of the state/ country. keep red states red. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On May 03 2017 09:30 ticklishmusic wrote: it's a solid electoral play. push people w/ more economic mobility out of the states, blame dems for the plight of the state/ country. keep red states red. I thought of the same thing as you. Only down side I can really see is if enough people leave a state because of crappy healthcare then the businesses in that state should suffer from the lower population, right? And it seems that businesses suffering is tone of the only way to put pressure on republicans. | ||
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KwarK
United States42868 Posts
On May 03 2017 09:39 hunts wrote: I thought of the same thing as you. Only down side I can really see is if enough people leave a state because of crappy healthcare then the businesses in that state should suffer from the lower population, right? And it seems that businesses suffering is tone of the only way to put pressure on republicans. You'll keep population, the problem is the population you keep. Everyone with the initiative, drive and ability to leave will leave. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/367903/white-ghetto-kevin-d-williamson But yeah, the most attractive resource you can offer businesses has always been people. That's why Silicon Valley is in California, despite the tax system. Once you push away the desirable people the business will never come back. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44443 Posts
On May 03 2017 08:33 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Scumbag https://twitter.com/reppittenger/status/859494659906818049 "choose to move" is such a check-your-privilege phrase. It's really sad how removed from reality some of these people are. It reminds me of some other winners, like "the reason why poor people are poor is because they're just lazy; just work hard and choose to be rich!" | ||
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