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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
April 14 2017 00:32 GMT
#146741
On April 14 2017 08:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:

States need to wise up and bring back firing squads or hanging.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
April 14 2017 00:36 GMT
#146742
On April 14 2017 09:32 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2017 08:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/AP/status/852660206257491968

States need to wise up and bring back firing squads or hanging.

sadly people prefer the illusion of "clean" deaths, without considering the actual results and effects involved.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-14 02:02:23
April 14 2017 00:38 GMT
#146743
On April 14 2017 04:48 m4ini wrote:
edit2: man, american articles on this bomb are ridiculous, quoting similarities to little boy because it had 15ktons. Either it's ridiculous sensationalism or people actually don't understand the difference between "tons" and "kilotons". That's where the mile radius comes from. They're literally quoting the bomb that hit Hiroshima as equivalent, which had that mile radius.

I thought it was probably an exaggeration (or mb just the airwave-blast-thing radius), but I did not expect it to be people failing at the metric system, heh. I think it's just so fucked up though... "Oh, a US soldier fighting halfway across the world against people just outside their own homes died, better flatten the whole place because how dare they kill someone!"

Like that botched attack in Yemen on the mosque/school where the US soldiers were taken off-guard by women and children shooting at them. You're attacking people in their own homes, and you wonder why they fight back? Just unbelievable.
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
April 14 2017 00:40 GMT
#146744
On April 14 2017 09:32 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2017 08:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/AP/status/852660206257491968

States need to wise up and bring back firing squads or hanging.


Or bring in the guilhotine. Unlike those two, there's no chance of a painfull death.
Bora Pain minha porra!
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-14 01:43:43
April 14 2017 00:43 GMT
#146745
On April 14 2017 07:01 IgnE wrote:
it seems extremely wasteful to build and drop bombs that cost a third of a billion or fire off nearly a billion in tomahawk missles to blow up a portion of syrian airfields when we are simultaneously having a discussion about how to pay for our citizens' basic healthcare

If you actually looked at the link, the bomb that was dropped wasn't one of those, and referred to a different bomb, which was an absolutely gigantic penetrator, with a unit cost of 15 million(batch of 20). Still, it probably isn't cheap.

Also, tomahawks cost around 1.9m(see: wikipedia) each. Not cheap, but that salvo didn't add up to anywhere near a billion either.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 14 2017 00:46 GMT
#146746
One reason President Trump gave for signing his order to dismantle climate policies was "to cancel job-killing regulations." But in places like coal country, environmental regulations are creating jobs, too.

Ed Watson is a hydrologist with Canaan Valley Institute and is in the business of fixing broken streams. From inside his truck, he points to a forested hillside towering behind a shopping center in Logan County, W.Va. The area was damaged by coal mining and took five years to restore.

So he studied old topographical maps and the land itself to figure out where streams used to flow.

"Our thought process was to try to re-hook up the plumbing of the watershed," he says. "So we put some streams back where streams haven't flowed for 50 or 60 years."

Watson was hired by Ecosystems Investment Partners, a land restoration company that buys up properties across the country and then restores them in exchange for credit from state and federal agencies. It's a business model made possible by environmental regulation.

Chris White and his brother Jason have also found steady work through these regulations. They created a company called Appalachian Stream Restoration.

But when asked if he considered himself an environmentalist, Chris White said he thinks of himself instead as a capitalist.

The Whites employ about 30 people, many of them displaced miners. They travel across the region fixing broken streams with backhoes and other heavy machinery. The National Mitigation Banking Association, a trade group, says ecological restoration is a $25 billion industry.

"It's a huge economy that requires specialized training, requires specialized people, and can create high-paying jobs," Chris White says.

Some scientists question how sound these restoration projects are. Matthew Baker of the University of Maryland, Baltimore County sees them as a kind of "Disneyfication" of nature.

"Because it's tough to design what we don't fully comprehend, more often than not our restorations are a partial fix — pale imitations of reality," Baker says.

And so although Trump is making good on campaign promises to roll back environmental regulations, Chris White is not worried. His job is tied to the Clean Water Act, which hasn't been targeted so far. In fact, he welcomes the rollbacks, saying he thinks they will promote development, which will create more business for him.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Sandvich
Profile Joined September 2011
United States57 Posts
April 14 2017 01:00 GMT
#146747
On April 14 2017 09:32 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2017 08:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/AP/status/852660206257491968

States need to wise up and bring back firing squads or hanging.

Or they could, you know, not execute their citizens.
"Stop Whining"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 14 2017 01:26 GMT
#146748
But wasting money on executions makes people feel good about "punishing" criminals.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-14 01:56:51
April 14 2017 01:36 GMT
#146749
not sure it means anything but dow down 200 points since the 11th

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/^DJI?p=^DJI

also Al Franken keeps proposing bills. Dems should start sending him on every talk show to talk about them.

"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
April 14 2017 02:10 GMT
#146750
Quit giving out so many loans for college, and we will magically see a stabilization and reduction in tuition cost.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24156 Posts
April 14 2017 02:21 GMT
#146751
On April 14 2017 11:10 xDaunt wrote:
Quit giving out so many loans for college, and we will magically see a stabilization and reduction in tuition cost.


Should do wonders for our already under-qualified workforce.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
April 14 2017 02:28 GMT
#146752
On April 14 2017 11:21 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2017 11:10 xDaunt wrote:
Quit giving out so many loans for college, and we will magically see a stabilization and reduction in tuition cost.


Should do wonders for our already under-qualified workforce.

Sending everyone to college is a stupid idea. Subsidizing liberal arts degrees is even dumber. We need trade schools, not more academic nonsense.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
April 14 2017 02:34 GMT
#146753
On April 14 2017 11:28 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2017 11:21 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 14 2017 11:10 xDaunt wrote:
Quit giving out so many loans for college, and we will magically see a stabilization and reduction in tuition cost.


Should do wonders for our already under-qualified workforce.

Sending everyone to college is a stupid idea. Subsidizing liberal arts degrees is even dumber. We need trade schools, not more academic nonsense.

There was a post within the last few days with an article about how trade schools don't work anymore, especially outside of cities, because nobody wants to teach; in part because it doesn't pay enough to not be active in the trade.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-14 02:38:12
April 14 2017 02:36 GMT
#146754
I'm all for more CTE classes and trade schools. The problem is they need money and support and aren't going to appear magically (my dad runs a high school district CTE program). if you cut support for US students colleges are just going to go to getting even more foreign exchange students.

also interestingly Mark Cuban thinks that due to automation liberal arts degrees are going to be whats actually in demand in the future because everything else will be automated.
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44203 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-14 02:43:30
April 14 2017 02:41 GMT
#146755
On April 14 2017 09:40 Sbrubbles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2017 09:32 xDaunt wrote:
On April 14 2017 08:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/AP/status/852660206257491968

States need to wise up and bring back firing squads or hanging.


Or bring in the guilhotine. Unlike those two, there's no chance of a painfull death.

Nitrogen asphyxiation is the way you want to go. Unlike most forms of suffocation your body has no sensors to detect that the air it's breathing is pure nitrogen. There's no CO2 buildup or anything like that. You just black out and it's over. People who work around nitrogen die every now and then for that reason. They'll collapse and someone else will come over to help and the same will happen.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
April 14 2017 02:41 GMT
#146756
On April 14 2017 11:28 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2017 11:21 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 14 2017 11:10 xDaunt wrote:
Quit giving out so many loans for college, and we will magically see a stabilization and reduction in tuition cost.


Should do wonders for our already under-qualified workforce.

Sending everyone to college is a stupid idea. Subsidizing liberal arts degrees is even dumber. We need trade schools, not more academic nonsense.


A strong trade system is incompatible with the laissez-faire / low entry "everybody can work as everything" attitude that seems to be strong in much of the US market. If you want such a system to succeed you need strong regulations on those sectors.

Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-14 02:45:14
April 14 2017 02:44 GMT
#146757
Isn't the problem more that we don't identify and push trade schools earlier in the educational process? I hear trade schools are chomping at the bits for students but the interest isn't there because kids are just told to go to university. If you convince kids that trade schools are a viable career path and get them excited about them earlier in the process then naturally enrollment will increase.

How this would affect universities is another question. Since government funding to them keeps dropping they increase their tuition. If less students were available there would be more competition for students and we would probably see some low to mid tier universities close. This consolidation would probably be better in the long run but it would just create another (albeit smaller) crisis among academics who suddenly see jobs decrease a lot (and the job market is already pretty shit right now). Who knows maybe that would lead to the US exporting academics to other countries heh. As was said above there would also likely be an increase in exchange students.
Never Knows Best.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 14 2017 02:44 GMT
#146758
Obliterate the use of public universities for the purpose of a four-year fun-time "full college experience" party club and you will be able to save enough money to educate people for far cheaper.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
April 14 2017 02:48 GMT
#146759
On April 14 2017 11:44 LegalLord wrote:
Obliterate the use of public universities for the purpose of a four-year fun-time "full college experience" party club and you will be able to save enough money to educate people for far cheaper.

I don't trust these big, broad, brief solutions to a very complicated problem.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
April 14 2017 02:48 GMT
#146760
On April 14 2017 11:44 LegalLord wrote:
Obliterate the use of public universities for the purpose of a four-year fun-time "full college experience" party club and you will be able to save enough money to educate people for far cheaper.


That is another problem, universities don't push enough the concept of professional development in addition to just taking courses. There are so much opportunities for people to do things in addition to course work but a lot of people don't do them.
Never Knows Best.
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