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LegalLord

United States13779 Posts

April 07 2017 03:13 GMT

#145821

On April 07 2017 12:08 BigFan wrote:

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So, you're ok with people on either sides dying because we expected a war? Wars aren't fun. Sorry but this is a poor mentality.

Gave my thoughts earlier. "I'm glad the response wasn't worse, but was that really a good idea?" But it could have escalated a lot worse right now in ways that would be doubleplusungood.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

April 07 2017 03:20 GMT

#145822

Record Scratch.

Also, some vintage stuff right here.

lastpuritan

United States540 Posts

April 07 2017 03:21 GMT

#145823

On April 07 2017 12:08 Plansix wrote:

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On April 07 2017 12:02 lastpuritan wrote:

On April 07 2017 11:49 Plansix wrote:

On April 07 2017 11:46 lastpuritan wrote:

On April 07 2017 11:36 zlefin wrote:

On April 07 2017 11:34 lastpuritan wrote:
Well, no matter we like it or not. He had courage to do it while Obama and whole world stood idly for years. Now Assad will think twice before targeting civilians, this little-something is what we couldn't achieve by previous administration for years and years. It's still a GOOD JOB.

more like a mixed bag. courage and stupidity can overlap a lot. to act without congressional approval/consent in waging war upon a country.
also, this isn't about targetting civilians, it's about the use of chemical weapons specifically (at least ostensibly).

But Trump said he was shocked by civilian deaths and changed his views on Assad because images of dead children hurt him deeply.

Not saying Assad won't be killing civilians in the future, but he'll probably reconsider his plan to terminate all the population opposes him.

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Congress would approve it anyways, why lose time when you can strike fast and send a strong message.

Or Trump lied and launched missiles to seem stronger than Obama, doesn't give a shit about kids and just wanted to look tough.

They didn't strike that fast. They warned Russia, Assad's ally, and the base was free of staff when it was hit. They literally called ahead before sending the missiles.

And if it was going to be approved anyways, not reason to deprive the American people of the public discussion.

Why would you go into a public discussion if you already gave the president that power, I wonder.

I see nothing wrong with his desire to look stronger, some media keeps portraying him as a weak president vs Putin and a betrayer. Regarding his character, it's pretty normal for a guy like him to try get his reputation back.

The goal of the strike was not killing SA soldiers, but destroying one of their airfields. And warning Russians is a good sign to keep neutral relations with Russia.

You would be cursing Trump if he killed Russians inside that base and praising Obama for sending a great message without killing anyone.

I calling Trump on the bullshit excuse that he was moved by photos of dead kids. He wants to ban those same kids from coming here for safety.

I have few problems with the strikes, Assad has been a nightmare for the world for to long. More nations should stand up to him. I have a problem with how Trump went about it. How he didn't seek congressional approval. How this is going to be played up a him being strong on Assad, when they called ahead first to make sure the Russians and Syrian government had time to remove anything worth hitting. There are 5 more airstrips in Syria.

This shows all the signs of someone who wants to do the bare minimum possible, and then be praised.

In response to some of your thoughts.

Apparently they couldn't move worthy stuff out. I still think losing time would grant them the opportunity.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

April 07 2017 03:27 GMT

#145824

There is no reason to believe that we couldn't have destroy the exact same number of planes after a debate. We have a pretty advanced military last time I checked.

Nevuk

United States16280 Posts

April 07 2017 03:31 GMT

#145825

On April 07 2017 12:27 Plansix wrote:
There is no reason to believe that we couldn't have destroy the exact same number of planes after a debate. We have a pretty advanced military last time I checked.

I don't believe our congress is sufficiently advanced enough to hold votes that require any level of debate at all at the moment, however.

Danglars

United States12133 Posts

April 07 2017 03:32 GMT

#145826

On April 07 2017 08:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I'm sorry but can this bitch please just disappear? Hitchens was right about her she has to be in the spotlight as it's her therapy to believe she is always relevant somehow.

She ain't disappearing yet!

Guys, guys--she understand why she wasn't elected. Bernie Sanders. Then emails and some other stuff. Unironic use of "weaponization of information." It's just rich.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

April 07 2017 03:35 GMT

#145827

On April 07 2017 12:31 Nevuk wrote:

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I don't believe our congress is sufficiently advanced enough to hold votes that require any level of debate at all at the moment, however.

You are not wrong on that front. But I'm not pumped about ceding more power to the executive branch to make up for their short comings.

BigFan

TLADT24920 Posts

April 07 2017 03:37 GMT

#145828

On April 07 2017 12:13 LegalLord wrote:

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Gave my thoughts earlier. "I'm glad the response wasn't worse, but was that really a good idea?" But it could have escalated a lot worse right now in ways that would be doubleplusungood.

oh ok, must've missed it then.

Gahlo

United States35165 Posts

April 07 2017 03:37 GMT

#145829

On April 07 2017 12:31 Nevuk wrote:

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I don't believe our congress is sufficiently advanced enough to hold votes that require any level of debate at all at the moment, however.

How about we raise 56b so we can update out outdated congress?

plasmidghost

Belgium16168 Posts

April 07 2017 03:38 GMT

#145830

Well, I'll always remember where I was when the US inadvertently started World War III
But seriously, someone has to have some fucking sense, the further we go, the more likely we end up starting multiple wars

LegalLord

United States13779 Posts

April 07 2017 03:45 GMT

#145831

The way I feel about the situation we're in right now is that Asshole A threw a tomato at Tough Guy T, then Tough Guy T decided to smack Asshole A in the face, and now all the schoolchildren around them with little to no judgment formed a crowd and are screaming "Fight! Fight! Fight!" And it'll probably end the same way.

BigFan

TLADT24920 Posts

April 07 2017 03:48 GMT

#145832

On April 07 2017 12:45 LegalLord wrote:
The way I feel about the situation we're in right now is that Asshole A threw a tomato at Tough Guy T, then Tough Guy T decided to smack Asshole A in the face, and now all the schoolchildren around them with little to no judgment are screaming "Fight! Fight! Fight!" And it'll probably end the same way.

Who's Tough Guy T, the US? Since when did Asshole A throw a tomato? Did I miss something? This was all Tough Guy T acting on his own just to show that he's tough, just like this Tough Guy T talked about Hong Kong and China's involvement within the first couple weeks of presidency because he wanted to "send a message".

LegalLord

United States13779 Posts

April 07 2017 03:49 GMT

#145833

Tough Guy T is Trump. Hence, T. A is Assad, the schoolchildren are our FP commentators like John Rambo McCain, Micro Rubio, and Hillary Clinton.

GreenHorizons

United States23593 Posts

April 07 2017 03:50 GMT

#145834

Schumer and Pelosi just want Trump to come back and ask congress for authorization for more attacks, but they want more attacks worse than he does, or at least Hillary does.