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Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 09 2017 11:46 GMT
#141721
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3524 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-09 13:33:31
March 09 2017 13:31 GMT
#141722
It's really amazing what a train wreck the GOP has become. Back in 2000ish they were still delusional about many things, but nowadays it's an all-out blatant war on the poor.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 09 2017 13:40 GMT
#141723
They stopped running on fixing problems or helping people do anything. And they have been bailed out by the Democrats every time they royally messing things up. Their main pitch is running against government, which works right up until you get elected.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 09 2017 14:11 GMT
#141724
The number of undocumented immigrants crossing into the United States from Mexico declined by 40% from January to February, Homeland Security secretary John Kelly said on Wednesday.

The downturn came after Donald Trump took office on 20 January, vowing to deport many of the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants in the United States.

The flow of illegal border crossings as measured by apprehensions and the prevention of inadmissible persons at the southern border dropped to 18,762 persons in February from 31,578 in January, Kelly said in a statement.

He said the US Customs and Border Protection agency, which compiled the data, historically sees a 10% to 20% increase in apprehensions of immigrants from January to February.

On 25 January, Trump ordered the construction of a wall along the roughly 2,000-mile (3,200-km) US-Mexico border, moved to strip federal funding from “sanctuary” states and cities that harbor undocumented immigrants and expanded the force of US immigration agents.

“Since the administration’s implementation of executive orders to enforce immigration laws, apprehensions and inadmissible activity is trending toward the lowest monthly total in at least the last five years,” Kelly said.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 09 2017 14:38 GMT
#141725
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
March 09 2017 14:47 GMT
#141726
On March 09 2017 23:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/ReutersUS/status/839837672701054976


Like, what do you even say about shit like this?
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3524 Posts
March 09 2017 14:51 GMT
#141727
Pruitt's gotten about a million dollars in lobbying/campaign donations from the oil and gas industries, is there anybody who thinks he's some kind of well-read environmental hobbyist and not a corporate shill?
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
March 09 2017 14:51 GMT
#141728
Depending on how you look at the numbers, he's right. CH4 or SF6 have a much higher impact, per molecule that is.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 09 2017 15:11 GMT
#141729
On March 09 2017 23:47 Ayaz2810 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2017 23:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/ReutersUS/status/839837672701054976


Like, what do you even say about shit like this?

"God fucking damn it."

We can be thankful that most of the world isn't as dumb as Trump's administration is being right now on the environment.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
March 09 2017 15:11 GMT
#141730
I'm pretty sure this is about overall impact, not impact per molecule :-)
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
Krikkitone
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1451 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-09 15:25:52
March 09 2017 15:23 GMT
#141731
On March 09 2017 23:51 Artisreal wrote:
Depending on how you look at the numbers, he's right. CH4 or SF6 have a much higher impact, per molecule that is.


On a total amount Water vapor (and clouds) is more significant.

(However, water vapor is something we can't really do much about unless we plan to remove the oceans from earth to dry out the atmosphere)
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44439 Posts
March 09 2017 15:25 GMT
#141732
Dude, primary contributor to global warming is obviously that huge nuclear reactor in space that is bombarding us with radiation. We should just turn it down a notch. Solved.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Krikkitone
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1451 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-09 15:35:40
March 09 2017 15:31 GMT
#141733
On March 10 2017 00:25 KwarK wrote:
Dude, primary contributor to global warming is obviously that huge nuclear reactor in space that is bombarding us with radiation. We should just turn it down a notch. Solved.


Which is also true (the nuclear reactor is space is more significant than the one in the core..since the core is just nuclear decay)

That is why being technically correct can be misleading if you are using a different understanding of what a term exactly means than the people listening to you.... or if they are drawing inferences.*

CO2 is not the biggest contributor to global warming.... it is the biggest contributor that we have some possibility of affecting.

(which does get into valid debate area: cost of changing it v. cost of not changing it.... and who those relative costs fall on)


*probably the biggest problem with "news" is not fake news, but news that is true but misleading. Someone's statement/document/set of statistics can easily be reported in ways that are true but designed to lead in a certain direction... (especially since where the information leads isn't easily determined unless you are omniscient and perfectly wise)
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
March 09 2017 16:13 GMT
#141734
On March 09 2017 20:46 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/TomCottonAR/status/839791318020866048


Hopefully the 68th repeal bill will be the charm.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 09 2017 16:58 GMT
#141735
DENVER — Global warming is already shrinking the Colorado River, the most important waterway in the American Southwest, and it could reduce the flow by more than a third by the end of the century, two scientists say.

The river’s volume has dropped more than 19 percent during a drought gripping the region since 2000, and a shortage of rain and snow can account for only about two-thirds of that decline, according to hydrology researchers Brad Udall of Colorado State University and Jonathan Overpeck of the University of Arizona.

In a study published last week in the journal Water Resources Research, they concluded that the rest of the decline is due to a warming atmosphere induced by climate change, which is drawing more moisture out of the Colorado River Basin’s waterways, snowbanks, plants and soil by evaporation and other means.

Their projections could signal big problems for cities and farmers across the 246,000-square-mile basin, which spans parts of seven states and Mexico. The river supplies water to about 40 million people and 6,300 square miles of farmland.

“Fifteen years into the 21st century, the emerging reality is that climate change is already depleting the Colorado River water supplies at the upper end of the range suggested by previously published projections,” the researchers wrote. “Record-setting temperatures are an important and underappreciated component of the flow reductions now being observed.”

The Colorado River and its two major reservoirs, Lake Mead and Lake Powell, are already overtaxed. Water storage at Mead was at 42 percent of capacity Wednesday, and Powell was at 46 percent.

Water managers have said that Mead could drop low enough to trigger cuts next year in water deliveries to Arizona and Nevada, which would be the first states affected by shortages under the multistate agreements and rules governing the system.

But heavy snow in the West this winter may keep the cuts at bay. Snowpack in the Wyoming and Colorado mountains that provide much of the Colorado River’s water ranged from 120 to 216 percent of normal Thursday.

For their study, Udall and Overpeck analyzed temperature, precipitation and water volume in the basin from 2000 to 2014 and compared it with historical data, including a 1953-1967 drought. Temperature and precipitation records date to 1896 and river flow records to 1906.

Temperatures in the 2000-2014 period were a record 1.6 degrees Fahrenheit above the historical average, while precipitation was about 4.6 percent below, they said.

Using existing climate models, the researchers said that much decline in precipitation should have produced a reduction of about 11.4 percent in the river flow, not the 19.3 percent that occurred.

They concluded that the rest was due to higher temperatures, which increased evaporation from water and soil, sucked more moisture from snow and sent more water from plant leaves into the atmosphere.

Martin Hoerling, a meteorologist at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration who was not involved in the study, questioned whether the temperature rise from 2000 to 2014 was entirely due to global warming. Some was likely caused by drought, he said.

Udall said warming caused by climate change in this century will dwarf any warming caused by drought. He noted that during the 1953-1967 drought, the temperature was less than a half degree warmer than the historical average, compared with 1.6 degrees during the 2000-2014 period.

Udall said climate scientists can predict temperatures with more certainty than they can precipitation, so studying their individual effects on river flow can help water managers.

Rain and snowfall in the Colorado River Basin would have to increase 14 percent over the historical average through the rest of the century to offset the effect of rising temperatures, he said.

“We can’t say with any certainty that precipitation is going to increase and come to our rescue,” Udall said.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
March 09 2017 17:19 GMT
#141736
On March 09 2017 23:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/ReutersUS/status/839837672701054976

Anyone still shocked. He said in confirmation hearings that the degree of human impact is subject to continuing debate. Breaking news: the actual statement said
I think that measuring with precision human activity on the climate is something very challenging to do and there's tremendous disagreement about the degree of impact. So no, I would not agree that it's a primary contributor to the global warming that we see

Or almost exactly what was said before. Sometimes, I think the new drug is outrage and you all are addicts.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 09 2017 17:23 GMT
#141737
I know a polished turd when I see one.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3524 Posts
March 09 2017 17:25 GMT
#141738
There's nobody here who's shocked or outraged. We all knew this was coming after the election.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
TL+ Member
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
March 09 2017 17:26 GMT
#141739
On March 10 2017 02:19 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2017 23:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/ReutersUS/status/839837672701054976

Anyone still shocked. He said in confirmation hearings that the degree of human impact is subject to continuing debate. Breaking news: the actual statement said
Show nested quote +
I think that measuring with precision human activity on the climate is something very challenging to do and there's tremendous disagreement about the degree of impact. So no, I would not agree that it's a primary contributor to the global warming that we see

Or almost exactly what was said before. Sometimes, I think the new drug is outrage and you all are addicts.


The issue is that there isn't tremendous disagreement among people qualified to speak on the topic.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 09 2017 17:27 GMT
#141740
Shocked no, upset yes.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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