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LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States2531 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-07 17:34:08
March 07 2017 17:34 GMT
#141321
On March 08 2017 02:29 RealityIsKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:12 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


And yet we have a functional stock market and banking system connected to the internet. This isn't true. Security exists and can be effective.


And yet banks still get hacked.


Oh yeah? Which ones?

And I'm not talking about some individual guy's account getting phished, I mean what actual financial systems were compromised at the database level.
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States2531 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-07 17:36:48
March 07 2017 17:35 GMT
#141322
On March 08 2017 02:31 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:09 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


Sorry, that's really just not true. I really hope you don't work in IT for anything important.

On March 08 2017 02:04 Plansix wrote:
We have been to soft on wikileaks and unwilling to deal with them head on. We had the ability to assert enough political pressure to deal with them a long time ago, but no one wanted to. Hopefully that will change, because they are not going away.


Is this sarcasm? I would've thought you were a big WikiLeaks proponent.

They are a third party organization of unknown affiliation that releases stolen information for their own personal enrichment. They are accountable to no one but their unknown backers. Even reporters citing anonymous sources can be held accountable for what they report and have served jail time for protecting a source. Wikileaks takes none of these risks while getting paid unknown amounts of money from unknown parties. I am not naïve enough to think they have my best interest in mind.

Snowden is another matter. Although I supported him leaking some information, he also used that information to buy passage through Hong Kong and to Russia. And god knows what he traded to Russia to be able to stay there.

Basically, speaking truth to power from safety does not impress me. The reporter who was jailed for protecting a source during the GW administration is far more impressive.


For their own personal enrichment, lol. As everybody knows, Assange is currently living like royalty in that embassy he can't leave under threat of assassination.

I don't care what their motivations are. The docs they spill are legitimate, that's what counts. Everything else is just smoke-blowing to distract from the issue.
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
March 07 2017 17:39 GMT
#141323
On March 08 2017 02:29 RealityIsKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:12 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


And yet we have a functional stock market and banking system connected to the internet. This isn't true. Security exists and can be effective.


And yet banks still get hacked.


You're confusing two different things. An individual being hacked is very different from a hacker gaining full access to the core databases.
RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
March 07 2017 17:42 GMT
#141324
On March 08 2017 02:34 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:29 RealityIsKing wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:12 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


And yet we have a functional stock market and banking system connected to the internet. This isn't true. Security exists and can be effective.


And yet banks still get hacked.


Oh yeah? Which ones?

And I'm not talking about some individual guy's account getting phished, I mean what actual financial systems were compromised at the database level.


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bank hack

Don't move the goalpost, you already lost this one.

User was warned for this post
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 07 2017 17:42 GMT
#141325
On March 08 2017 02:35 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:31 Plansix wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:09 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


Sorry, that's really just not true. I really hope you don't work in IT for anything important.

On March 08 2017 02:04 Plansix wrote:
We have been to soft on wikileaks and unwilling to deal with them head on. We had the ability to assert enough political pressure to deal with them a long time ago, but no one wanted to. Hopefully that will change, because they are not going away.


Is this sarcasm? I would've thought you were a big WikiLeaks proponent.

They are a third party organization of unknown affiliation that releases stolen information for their own personal enrichment. They are accountable to no one but their unknown backers. Even reporters citing anonymous sources can be held accountable for what they report and have served jail time for protecting a source. Wikileaks takes none of these risks while getting paid unknown amounts of money from unknown parties. I am not naïve enough to think they have my best interest in mind.

Snowden is another matter. Although I supported him leaking some information, he also used that information to buy passage through Hong Kong and to Russia. And god knows what he traded to Russia to be able to stay there.

Basically, speaking truth to power from safety does not impress me. The reporter who was jailed for protecting a source during the GW administration is far more impressive.


For their own personal enrichment, lol. As everybody knows, Assange is currently living like royalty in that embassy he can't leave under threat of assassination.

They have an NDA for their employees.

https://www.wired.com/2011/05/nda-wikileaks/

It specifically cites that they are not allowed to release information because it would diminish it's value. Assange is just one member of wikileaks. We don't know much else. How big is their staff? Where do they operate out out of? Who pays them? This is all information I would like to know. Wikileaks talks about forcing transparency on goverments and I only want the same level of transparency for wikileaks.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
March 07 2017 17:43 GMT
#141326
On March 08 2017 02:39 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:29 RealityIsKing wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:12 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


And yet we have a functional stock market and banking system connected to the internet. This isn't true. Security exists and can be effective.


And yet banks still get hacked.


You're confusing two different things. An individual being hacked is very different from a hacker gaining full access to the core databases.


No, I just said that any system connected to a network can be hacked.

You are just adding conditions to the argument which wasn't the premise in the first place.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
March 07 2017 17:44 GMT
#141327
On March 08 2017 02:43 RealityIsKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:39 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:29 RealityIsKing wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:12 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


And yet we have a functional stock market and banking system connected to the internet. This isn't true. Security exists and can be effective.


And yet banks still get hacked.


You're confusing two different things. An individual being hacked is very different from a hacker gaining full access to the core databases.


No, I just said that any system connected to a network can be hacked.

You are just adding conditions to the argument which wasn't the premise in the first place.


But core bank databases are connected to a network.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 07 2017 17:45 GMT
#141328
On March 08 2017 02:23 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:16 LegalLord wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:12 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


And yet we have a functional stock market and banking system connected to the internet. This isn't true. Security exists and can be effective.

While true, none of those things remain unhacked. Many are of the "steal some coinage" variety but also espionage. Malicious destructive hacks are rare, of course, because national governments that hack each other would receive some pretty hefty retaliation.


I really don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.

Well, good for you. You're wrong.

Go ahead and add something more than one-liners if you have some "depth" to add to the discussion rather than simply talking about how no one else knows what they're talking about.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 07 2017 17:46 GMT
#141329
Any ship on the ocean can sink. Any car on the road can crash. Any building can fall over. Any bridge can fail. Any bank vault can be cracked.

There is nothing profound about these statements, since they don't address how likely it is for those things to happen.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States2531 Posts
March 07 2017 17:46 GMT
#141330
On March 08 2017 02:42 RealityIsKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:34 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:29 RealityIsKing wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:12 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


And yet we have a functional stock market and banking system connected to the internet. This isn't true. Security exists and can be effective.


And yet banks still get hacked.


Oh yeah? Which ones?

And I'm not talking about some individual guy's account getting phished, I mean what actual financial systems were compromised at the database level.


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bank hack

Don't move the goalpost, you already lost this one.


On March 08 2017 02:43 RealityIsKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:39 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:29 RealityIsKing wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:12 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


And yet we have a functional stock market and banking system connected to the internet. This isn't true. Security exists and can be effective.


And yet banks still get hacked.


You're confusing two different things. An individual being hacked is very different from a hacker gaining full access to the core databases.


No, I just said that any system connected to a network can be hacked.

You are just adding conditions to the argument which wasn't the premise in the first place.


You're the one moving the goalposts. Your claim is that "once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable". I am asking for examples of not just anything on the Internet being hacked, but specifically the things that we deem to be "extra secure" like financial transaction systems.
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18278 Posts
March 07 2017 17:48 GMT
#141331
On March 08 2017 02:35 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:31 Plansix wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:09 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


Sorry, that's really just not true. I really hope you don't work in IT for anything important.

On March 08 2017 02:04 Plansix wrote:
We have been to soft on wikileaks and unwilling to deal with them head on. We had the ability to assert enough political pressure to deal with them a long time ago, but no one wanted to. Hopefully that will change, because they are not going away.


Is this sarcasm? I would've thought you were a big WikiLeaks proponent.

They are a third party organization of unknown affiliation that releases stolen information for their own personal enrichment. They are accountable to no one but their unknown backers. Even reporters citing anonymous sources can be held accountable for what they report and have served jail time for protecting a source. Wikileaks takes none of these risks while getting paid unknown amounts of money from unknown parties. I am not naïve enough to think they have my best interest in mind.

Snowden is another matter. Although I supported him leaking some information, he also used that information to buy passage through Hong Kong and to Russia. And god knows what he traded to Russia to be able to stay there.

Basically, speaking truth to power from safety does not impress me. The reporter who was jailed for protecting a source during the GW administration is far more impressive.


For their own personal enrichment, lol. As everybody knows, Assange is currently living like royalty in that embassy he can't leave under threat of assassination.

I don't care what their motivations are. The docs they spill are legitimate, that's what counts. Everything else is just smoke-blowing to distract from the issue.


I think wikipedia as a medium for whistleblowers is a fantastic tool. And until governments provide better tools themselves, I think it's great that it's there to stay. Radical transparency as an idea is completely stupid, and a lot of what is actually dumped on wikileaks is terrible stuff that should not have been aired. Wikileaks clearly has an agenda, and publishes what furthers that, which is also bad.

I haven't had much time to go over the latest batch or reports about them. If it's shitty practices by the CIA to spy on allies, I applaud the leak. Fuck that shit.

LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States2531 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-07 17:54:41
March 07 2017 17:49 GMT
#141332
On March 08 2017 02:45 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:23 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:16 LegalLord wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:12 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


And yet we have a functional stock market and banking system connected to the internet. This isn't true. Security exists and can be effective.

While true, none of those things remain unhacked. Many are of the "steal some coinage" variety but also espionage. Malicious destructive hacks are rare, of course, because national governments that hack each other would receive some pretty hefty retaliation.


I really don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.

Well, good for you. You're wrong.

Go ahead and add something more than one-liners if you have some "depth" to add to the discussion rather than simply talking about how no one else knows what they're talking about.


Very well. Your claim seems to be that national government hacks (and I suppose also financial systems) are very possible, it's just that most governments don't bother because it would be too destructive. What is your evidence for that claim?

On March 08 2017 02:48 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:35 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:31 Plansix wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:09 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


Sorry, that's really just not true. I really hope you don't work in IT for anything important.

On March 08 2017 02:04 Plansix wrote:
We have been to soft on wikileaks and unwilling to deal with them head on. We had the ability to assert enough political pressure to deal with them a long time ago, but no one wanted to. Hopefully that will change, because they are not going away.


Is this sarcasm? I would've thought you were a big WikiLeaks proponent.

They are a third party organization of unknown affiliation that releases stolen information for their own personal enrichment. They are accountable to no one but their unknown backers. Even reporters citing anonymous sources can be held accountable for what they report and have served jail time for protecting a source. Wikileaks takes none of these risks while getting paid unknown amounts of money from unknown parties. I am not naïve enough to think they have my best interest in mind.

Snowden is another matter. Although I supported him leaking some information, he also used that information to buy passage through Hong Kong and to Russia. And god knows what he traded to Russia to be able to stay there.

Basically, speaking truth to power from safety does not impress me. The reporter who was jailed for protecting a source during the GW administration is far more impressive.


For their own personal enrichment, lol. As everybody knows, Assange is currently living like royalty in that embassy he can't leave under threat of assassination.

I don't care what their motivations are. The docs they spill are legitimate, that's what counts. Everything else is just smoke-blowing to distract from the issue.


I think wikipedia as a medium for whistleblowers is a fantastic tool. And until governments provide better tools themselves, I think it's great that it's there to stay. Radical transparency as an idea is completely stupid, and a lot of what is actually dumped on wikileaks is terrible stuff that should not have been aired. Wikileaks clearly has an agenda, and publishes what furthers that, which is also bad.

I haven't had much time to go over the latest batch or reports about them. If it's shitty practices by the CIA to spy on allies, I applaud the leak. Fuck that shit.



I agree with you, just want to nitpick that Wikileaks is not affiliated with Wikipedia.

EDIT: Sorry I misread your post. I do not agree with you. Crimes done by national governments deserve to be made public.

On March 08 2017 02:49 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:46 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:42 RealityIsKing wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:34 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:29 RealityIsKing wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:12 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


And yet we have a functional stock market and banking system connected to the internet. This isn't true. Security exists and can be effective.


And yet banks still get hacked.


Oh yeah? Which ones?

And I'm not talking about some individual guy's account getting phished, I mean what actual financial systems were compromised at the database level.


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bank hack

Don't move the goalpost, you already lost this one.


On March 08 2017 02:43 RealityIsKing wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:39 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:29 RealityIsKing wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:12 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


And yet we have a functional stock market and banking system connected to the internet. This isn't true. Security exists and can be effective.


And yet banks still get hacked.


You're confusing two different things. An individual being hacked is very different from a hacker gaining full access to the core databases.


No, I just said that any system connected to a network can be hacked.

You are just adding conditions to the argument which wasn't the premise in the first place.


You're the one moving the goalposts. Your claim is that "once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable". I am asking for examples of not just anything on the Internet being hacked, but specifically the things that we deem to be "extra secure" like financial transaction systems.

Personally I think this is a case of "Those who would do it, don't have the means to do so". and "those who can do it, have no interest in doing so"


So you think the hacker that works next door to Vladimir Putin could become a multi-trillionaire if he wanted to, he just has no interest in doing so?
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18278 Posts
March 07 2017 17:49 GMT
#141333
On March 08 2017 02:42 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:35 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:31 Plansix wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:09 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


Sorry, that's really just not true. I really hope you don't work in IT for anything important.

On March 08 2017 02:04 Plansix wrote:
We have been to soft on wikileaks and unwilling to deal with them head on. We had the ability to assert enough political pressure to deal with them a long time ago, but no one wanted to. Hopefully that will change, because they are not going away.


Is this sarcasm? I would've thought you were a big WikiLeaks proponent.

They are a third party organization of unknown affiliation that releases stolen information for their own personal enrichment. They are accountable to no one but their unknown backers. Even reporters citing anonymous sources can be held accountable for what they report and have served jail time for protecting a source. Wikileaks takes none of these risks while getting paid unknown amounts of money from unknown parties. I am not naïve enough to think they have my best interest in mind.

Snowden is another matter. Although I supported him leaking some information, he also used that information to buy passage through Hong Kong and to Russia. And god knows what he traded to Russia to be able to stay there.

Basically, speaking truth to power from safety does not impress me. The reporter who was jailed for protecting a source during the GW administration is far more impressive.


For their own personal enrichment, lol. As everybody knows, Assange is currently living like royalty in that embassy he can't leave under threat of assassination.

They have an NDA for their employees.

https://www.wired.com/2011/05/nda-wikileaks/

It specifically cites that they are not allowed to release information because it would diminish it's value. Assange is just one member of wikileaks. We don't know much else. How big is their staff? Where do they operate out out of? Who pays them? This is all information I would like to know. Wikileaks talks about forcing transparency on goverments and I only want the same level of transparency for wikileaks.


That seems fair. Who watches the watchmen?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22291 Posts
March 07 2017 17:49 GMT
#141334
On March 08 2017 02:46 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:42 RealityIsKing wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:34 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:29 RealityIsKing wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:12 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


And yet we have a functional stock market and banking system connected to the internet. This isn't true. Security exists and can be effective.


And yet banks still get hacked.


Oh yeah? Which ones?

And I'm not talking about some individual guy's account getting phished, I mean what actual financial systems were compromised at the database level.


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bank hack

Don't move the goalpost, you already lost this one.


Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:43 RealityIsKing wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:39 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:29 RealityIsKing wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:12 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


And yet we have a functional stock market and banking system connected to the internet. This isn't true. Security exists and can be effective.


And yet banks still get hacked.


You're confusing two different things. An individual being hacked is very different from a hacker gaining full access to the core databases.


No, I just said that any system connected to a network can be hacked.

You are just adding conditions to the argument which wasn't the premise in the first place.


You're the one moving the goalposts. Your claim is that "once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable". I am asking for examples of not just anything on the Internet being hacked, but specifically the things that we deem to be "extra secure" like financial transaction systems.

Personally I think this is a case of "Those who would do it, don't have the means to do so". and "those who can do it, have no interest in doing so"
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 07 2017 17:53 GMT
#141335
On March 08 2017 02:48 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:35 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:31 Plansix wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:09 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


Sorry, that's really just not true. I really hope you don't work in IT for anything important.

On March 08 2017 02:04 Plansix wrote:
We have been to soft on wikileaks and unwilling to deal with them head on. We had the ability to assert enough political pressure to deal with them a long time ago, but no one wanted to. Hopefully that will change, because they are not going away.


Is this sarcasm? I would've thought you were a big WikiLeaks proponent.

They are a third party organization of unknown affiliation that releases stolen information for their own personal enrichment. They are accountable to no one but their unknown backers. Even reporters citing anonymous sources can be held accountable for what they report and have served jail time for protecting a source. Wikileaks takes none of these risks while getting paid unknown amounts of money from unknown parties. I am not naïve enough to think they have my best interest in mind.

Snowden is another matter. Although I supported him leaking some information, he also used that information to buy passage through Hong Kong and to Russia. And god knows what he traded to Russia to be able to stay there.

Basically, speaking truth to power from safety does not impress me. The reporter who was jailed for protecting a source during the GW administration is far more impressive.


For their own personal enrichment, lol. As everybody knows, Assange is currently living like royalty in that embassy he can't leave under threat of assassination.

I don't care what their motivations are. The docs they spill are legitimate, that's what counts. Everything else is just smoke-blowing to distract from the issue.

I haven't had much time to go over the latest batch or reports about them. If it's shitty practices by the CIA to spy on allies, I applaud the leak. Fuck that shit.

That's part of it. What was particularly interesting to me is that in a lot of ways it's a very descriptive manual of how the CIA conducts its business, including source code for actual tools they use and scripts for how to work under the cover of being a diplomat. There's something for everyone there. I'm probably going to spend a few hours digging through it because there's a lot there to be interested in.
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RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
March 07 2017 17:53 GMT
#141336
On March 08 2017 02:44 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:43 RealityIsKing wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:39 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:29 RealityIsKing wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:12 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


And yet we have a functional stock market and banking system connected to the internet. This isn't true. Security exists and can be effective.


And yet banks still get hacked.


You're confusing two different things. An individual being hacked is very different from a hacker gaining full access to the core databases.


No, I just said that any system connected to a network can be hacked.

You are just adding conditions to the argument which wasn't the premise in the first place.


But core bank databases are connected to a network.


And they can 100% be hacked too if you are able to grab the I/O and reverse engineering the encryption algorithm and masquerading your IP address to be the ones with permission.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-07 17:55:24
March 07 2017 17:54 GMT
#141337
On March 08 2017 02:49 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:42 Plansix wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:35 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:31 Plansix wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:09 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


Sorry, that's really just not true. I really hope you don't work in IT for anything important.

On March 08 2017 02:04 Plansix wrote:
We have been to soft on wikileaks and unwilling to deal with them head on. We had the ability to assert enough political pressure to deal with them a long time ago, but no one wanted to. Hopefully that will change, because they are not going away.


Is this sarcasm? I would've thought you were a big WikiLeaks proponent.

They are a third party organization of unknown affiliation that releases stolen information for their own personal enrichment. They are accountable to no one but their unknown backers. Even reporters citing anonymous sources can be held accountable for what they report and have served jail time for protecting a source. Wikileaks takes none of these risks while getting paid unknown amounts of money from unknown parties. I am not naïve enough to think they have my best interest in mind.

Snowden is another matter. Although I supported him leaking some information, he also used that information to buy passage through Hong Kong and to Russia. And god knows what he traded to Russia to be able to stay there.

Basically, speaking truth to power from safety does not impress me. The reporter who was jailed for protecting a source during the GW administration is far more impressive.


For their own personal enrichment, lol. As everybody knows, Assange is currently living like royalty in that embassy he can't leave under threat of assassination.

They have an NDA for their employees.

https://www.wired.com/2011/05/nda-wikileaks/

It specifically cites that they are not allowed to release information because it would diminish it's value. Assange is just one member of wikileaks. We don't know much else. How big is their staff? Where do they operate out out of? Who pays them? This is all information I would like to know. Wikileaks talks about forcing transparency on goverments and I only want the same level of transparency for wikileaks.


That seems fair. Who watches the watchmen?

Exactly. As powerful as the CIA and NSA are, the US citizens have far more power over them than wikileaks. We know where they operate. They have lists of employees and answer to the Senate and house. Wikileaks answers to god knows who?

Leaks of information are fine, but I have no idea how long wikileaks has been camping on this information. It looks to be targeted at influencing the upcoming election in France. That isn't a free exchange of information and transparency. It is a targeted leak with a specific political goal in mind. Wikileaks isn't releasing information about people spying on the US. But I am 100% sure France spies on us.
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LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States2531 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-07 17:59:24
March 07 2017 17:56 GMT
#141338
On March 08 2017 02:53 RealityIsKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:44 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:43 RealityIsKing wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:39 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:29 RealityIsKing wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:12 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


And yet we have a functional stock market and banking system connected to the internet. This isn't true. Security exists and can be effective.


And yet banks still get hacked.


You're confusing two different things. An individual being hacked is very different from a hacker gaining full access to the core databases.


No, I just said that any system connected to a network can be hacked.

You are just adding conditions to the argument which wasn't the premise in the first place.


But core bank databases are connected to a network.


And they can 100% be hacked too if you are able to grab the I/O and reverse engineering the encryption algorithm and masquerading your IP address to be the ones with permission.


"reverse engineering the encryption algorithm", right... Since you're clearly a master cryptographer, perhaps you can tell me when your paper that describes vulnerabilities in Twofish is going to be published. You'll be heralded as a genius and probably become a multi-millionaire over night.

On March 08 2017 02:54 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:49 Acrofales wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:42 Plansix wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:35 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:31 Plansix wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:09 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


Sorry, that's really just not true. I really hope you don't work in IT for anything important.

On March 08 2017 02:04 Plansix wrote:
We have been to soft on wikileaks and unwilling to deal with them head on. We had the ability to assert enough political pressure to deal with them a long time ago, but no one wanted to. Hopefully that will change, because they are not going away.


Is this sarcasm? I would've thought you were a big WikiLeaks proponent.

They are a third party organization of unknown affiliation that releases stolen information for their own personal enrichment. They are accountable to no one but their unknown backers. Even reporters citing anonymous sources can be held accountable for what they report and have served jail time for protecting a source. Wikileaks takes none of these risks while getting paid unknown amounts of money from unknown parties. I am not naïve enough to think they have my best interest in mind.

Snowden is another matter. Although I supported him leaking some information, he also used that information to buy passage through Hong Kong and to Russia. And god knows what he traded to Russia to be able to stay there.

Basically, speaking truth to power from safety does not impress me. The reporter who was jailed for protecting a source during the GW administration is far more impressive.


For their own personal enrichment, lol. As everybody knows, Assange is currently living like royalty in that embassy he can't leave under threat of assassination.

They have an NDA for their employees.

https://www.wired.com/2011/05/nda-wikileaks/

It specifically cites that they are not allowed to release information because it would diminish it's value. Assange is just one member of wikileaks. We don't know much else. How big is their staff? Where do they operate out out of? Who pays them? This is all information I would like to know. Wikileaks talks about forcing transparency on goverments and I only want the same level of transparency for wikileaks.


That seems fair. Who watches the watchmen?

Exactly. As powerful as the CIA and NSA are, the US citizens have far more power over them than wikileaks. We know where they operate. They have lists of employees and answer to the Senate and house. Wikileaks answers to god knows who?

Leaks of information are fine, but I have no idea how long wikileaks has been camping on this information. It looks to be targeted at influencing the upcoming election in France. That isn't a free exchange of information and transparency. It is a targeted leak with a specific political goal in mind. Wikileaks isn't releasing information about people spying on the US. But I am 100% sure France spies on us.


And you think it would be better if nobody knew, rather than WikiLeaks being strategic with their information and leaking when it would be most effective?
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 07 2017 18:00 GMT
#141339
On March 08 2017 02:49 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:45 LegalLord wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:23 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:16 LegalLord wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:12 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


And yet we have a functional stock market and banking system connected to the internet. This isn't true. Security exists and can be effective.

While true, none of those things remain unhacked. Many are of the "steal some coinage" variety but also espionage. Malicious destructive hacks are rare, of course, because national governments that hack each other would receive some pretty hefty retaliation.


I really don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.

Well, good for you. You're wrong.

Go ahead and add something more than one-liners if you have some "depth" to add to the discussion rather than simply talking about how no one else knows what they're talking about.


Very well. Your claim seems to be that national government hacks (and I suppose also financial systems) are very possible, it's just that most governments don't bother because it would be too destructive. What is your evidence for that claim?

I suppose the most direct evidence that you can hack financial systems and "national governments" (well I meant in the sense that "nation-states hack each other" because "national government" isn't any one cyber entity) is that such hacks actually exist. The Russians hacked US financial systems before, for the purpose of studying the way the financial market functions. Hacking banks is a rather well-known reality, as perhaps the point RisK made would indicate. Various agencies in the government, e.g. the OPM (China hack) have been recorded as well.

Regarding why hacking for malicious, destructive purposes like destroying systems is rare(r)... well I would think that would be somewhat obvious from a common sense evaluation of it, but we could simply look at the political treatment of malicious hacking. NATO, for example, considers cyber warfare to be the same as regular warfare for the purposes of Article 5. And it goes without saying that "we can hack you too" is always a reality for any hacking done.
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RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
March 07 2017 18:00 GMT
#141340
On March 08 2017 02:56 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:53 RealityIsKing wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:44 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:43 RealityIsKing wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:39 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:29 RealityIsKing wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:12 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


And yet we have a functional stock market and banking system connected to the internet. This isn't true. Security exists and can be effective.


And yet banks still get hacked.


You're confusing two different things. An individual being hacked is very different from a hacker gaining full access to the core databases.


No, I just said that any system connected to a network can be hacked.

You are just adding conditions to the argument which wasn't the premise in the first place.


But core bank databases are connected to a network.


And they can 100% be hacked too if you are able to grab the I/O and reverse engineering the encryption algorithm and masquerading your IP address to be the ones with permission.


"reverse engineering the encryption algorithm", right... Since you're clearly a master cryptographer, perhaps you can tell me when your paper that describes vulnerabilities in Twofish is going to be published. You'll be heralded as a genius and probably become a multi-millionaire over night.


Yeah not going to argue with you any further.

You first threw one liner without any explanation, then you use personal insult as your main argument point while attempting to shift the goalpost, now you are using argument to the absurdity.

Its very offensive.
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