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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-07 16:46:57
March 07 2017 16:41 GMT
#141301
New Wikileaks

We're spying on French political party priorities, operation, and election campaigns
Cell phone attacks on encrypted communications i.e. WhatsApp/Confide before the messages are encrypted
Frankfurt consulate as CIA base
24 zero days
Much larger than Snowden leaks

Minor snips:

The espionage order for "Non Ruling Political Parties and Candidates Strategic Election Plans" which targeted Francois Holland, Marine Le Pen and other opposition figures requires obtaining opposition parties' strategies for the election; information on internal party dynamics and rising leaders; efforts to influence and implement political decisions; support from local government officials, government elites or business elites; views of the United States; efforts to reach out to other countries, including Germany, U.K., Libya, Israel, Palestine, Syria & Cote d'Ivoire; as well as information about party and candidate funding.

These techniques permit the CIA to bypass the encryption of WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, Wiebo, Confide and Cloackman by hacking the "smart" phones that they run on and collecting audio and message traffic before encryption is applied.

The attack against Samsung smart TVs was developed in cooperation with the United Kingdom's MI5/BTSS. After infestation, Weeping Angel places the target TV in a 'Fake-Off' mode, so that the owner falsely believes the TV is off when it is on. In 'Fake-Off' mode the TV operates as a bug, recording conversations in the room and sending them over the Internet to a covert CIA server.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3524 Posts
March 07 2017 16:50 GMT
#141302
That's 24 zero-days for Android, not in total.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
March 07 2017 16:50 GMT
#141303
Will Trump bash the CIA or bash wikileaks? I honestly don't know
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 07 2017 16:52 GMT
#141304
On March 08 2017 01:50 Mohdoo wrote:
Will Trump bash the CIA or bash wikileaks? I honestly don't know

Wikileaks has proven itself to be a better friend to Trump than the CIA ever has.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 07 2017 16:56 GMT
#141305
I am very excited for Russia's...I mean...wikileaks' next attempt to influence an election and drive a wedge between long standing allies.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 07 2017 17:00 GMT
#141306
On March 08 2017 01:56 Plansix wrote:
drive a wedge between long standing allies.

In the wise words of Obi-Wan Kenobi, you have done that yourself.

Also the part of me that cares about cyber security is tingling with excitement while reading this Wikileaks release.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
March 07 2017 17:04 GMT
#141307
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 07 2017 17:04 GMT
#141308
We have been to soft on wikileaks and unwilling to deal with them head on. We had the ability to assert enough political pressure to deal with them a long time ago, but no one wanted to. Hopefully that will change, because they are not going away.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 07 2017 17:05 GMT
#141309
On March 08 2017 01:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 00:56 brian wrote:
did we all just get trolled 🤔


By xDaunt? Possibly, I feel like the guy has never been poor or has known a poor person. I've been poor, and it fucking sucks not knowing where to sleep or eat. You can't have consumerism if you can't eat, or rent a place.


He likes to spout some gospel of prosperity stuff, throw out a few backhanded insults along the lines of "are you that dense/ only someone stupid would/ don't be obtuse" and then disappear for a couple pages.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 07 2017 17:06 GMT
#141310
DLL Hijack 2048 User, Game Operator plays game while collection is occurring v1.0


Well that right there is just a dick move. Can't even play telephone games without getting haxored!
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 07 2017 17:08 GMT
#141311
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.

"The only safe computer is one that's disconnected, turned off, and hidden in a vault deep underground."

Anyone who isn't a complete buffoon knows exactly how intelligence operates. There are many buffoons, though, so this tends to be a huge story.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3524 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-07 17:10:49
March 07 2017 17:09 GMT
#141312
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


Sorry, that's really just not true. I really hope you don't work in IT for anything important.

On March 08 2017 02:04 Plansix wrote:
We have been to soft on wikileaks and unwilling to deal with them head on. We had the ability to assert enough political pressure to deal with them a long time ago, but no one wanted to. Hopefully that will change, because they are not going away.


Is this sarcasm? I would've thought you were a big WikiLeaks proponent.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
March 07 2017 17:12 GMT
#141313
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


And yet we have a functional stock market and banking system connected to the internet. This isn't true. Security exists and can be effective.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 07 2017 17:14 GMT
#141314
On March 08 2017 02:09 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:04 Plansix wrote:
We have been to soft on wikileaks and unwilling to deal with them head on. We had the ability to assert enough political pressure to deal with them a long time ago, but no one wanted to. Hopefully that will change, because they are not going away.


Is this sarcasm? I would've thought you were a big WikiLeaks proponent.

People selectively like Wikileaks when it supports their side.

Wikileaks helped get Trump elected, so at the moment it is an evil Russian conspiracy devil.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 07 2017 17:16 GMT
#141315
On March 08 2017 02:12 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


And yet we have a functional stock market and banking system connected to the internet. This isn't true. Security exists and can be effective.

While true, none of those things remain unhacked. Many are of the "steal some coinage" variety but also espionage. Malicious destructive hacks are rare, of course, because national governments that hack each other would receive some pretty hefty retaliation.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3524 Posts
March 07 2017 17:23 GMT
#141316
On March 08 2017 02:16 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:12 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


And yet we have a functional stock market and banking system connected to the internet. This isn't true. Security exists and can be effective.

While true, none of those things remain unhacked. Many are of the "steal some coinage" variety but also espionage. Malicious destructive hacks are rare, of course, because national governments that hack each other would receive some pretty hefty retaliation.


I really don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.

On March 08 2017 02:14 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:09 LightSpectra wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:04 Plansix wrote:
We have been to soft on wikileaks and unwilling to deal with them head on. We had the ability to assert enough political pressure to deal with them a long time ago, but no one wanted to. Hopefully that will change, because they are not going away.


Is this sarcasm? I would've thought you were a big WikiLeaks proponent.

People selectively like Wikileaks when it supports their side.

Wikileaks helped get Trump elected, so at the moment it is an evil Russian conspiracy devil.


Well, not I. I fully support any and all whistleblowing: WikiLeaks, Manning, Snowden, Ellsburg, John Doe of the Panama Papers. If the leaks put somebody I like in bad light, I stop liking that person, I don't pretend to whisk reality away.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
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RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
March 07 2017 17:29 GMT
#141317
On March 08 2017 02:12 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


And yet we have a functional stock market and banking system connected to the internet. This isn't true. Security exists and can be effective.


And yet banks still get hacked.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 07 2017 17:31 GMT
#141318
On March 08 2017 02:09 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


Sorry, that's really just not true. I really hope you don't work in IT for anything important.

Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:04 Plansix wrote:
We have been to soft on wikileaks and unwilling to deal with them head on. We had the ability to assert enough political pressure to deal with them a long time ago, but no one wanted to. Hopefully that will change, because they are not going away.


Is this sarcasm? I would've thought you were a big WikiLeaks proponent.

They are a third party organization of unknown affiliation that releases stolen information for their own personal enrichment. They are accountable to no one but their unknown backers. Even reporters citing anonymous sources can be held accountable for what they report and have served jail time for protecting a source. Wikileaks takes none of these risks while getting paid unknown amounts of money from unknown parties. I am not naïve enough to think they have my best interest in mind.

Snowden is another matter. Although I supported him leaking some information, he also used that information to buy passage through Hong Kong and to Russia. And god knows what he traded to Russia to be able to stay there.

Basically, speaking truth to power from safety does not impress me. The reporter who was jailed for protecting a source during the GW administration is far more impressive.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
March 07 2017 17:32 GMT
#141319
On March 08 2017 00:03 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I have no idea how on earth the GOP plan is going to increase access. Are they just going to bulldoze down HMOs and networks, the two things that actually do hold healthcare costs down? Or did they actually discuss a way to increase access? Or is allowing people to buy across state lines supposed to somehow do this?

Republicans love saying they will make something "accessible" and "provide opportunity." But those terms don't necessitate that those things will be attainable. I have the accessibility to walk into a BMW dealer where they provide me the opportunity to buy a fancy car, but it will be well out of the range of anything I can budget.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 07 2017 17:33 GMT
#141320
On March 08 2017 02:29 RealityIsKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 02:12 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 08 2017 02:04 RealityIsKing wrote:
Anyone works in IT already know once you are connected to a network, anything is hackable.


And yet we have a functional stock market and banking system connected to the internet. This isn't true. Security exists and can be effective.


And yet banks still get hacked.


Yea, but the people "hacking" banks have money, time and manpower to break that security.
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