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coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
December 09 2013 00:10 GMT
#13901
On December 09 2013 09:02 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2013 08:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration appears to have almost no international support for controversial new trade standards that would grant radical new political powers to corporations, increase the cost of prescription medications and restrict bank regulation, according to two internal memos obtained by The Huffington Post.

The memos, which come from a government involved in the 12-nation Trans-Pacific Partnership free trade negotiations, detail continued disputes in the talks over the deal. They reveal broad disagreement over a host of key positions, and general skepticism that an agreement can be reached by year-end. The Obama administration has urged countries to reach a deal by New Year's Day, though there is no technical deadline.

One memo, which was heavily redacted before being provided to HuffPost, was written ahead of a new round of talks in Singapore this week. Read the full text of what HuffPost received here. (Note: Ellipses indicate redacted text. Text in brackets has been added by a third party.) Another document, a chart outlining different country positions on the text, dates from early November, before the round of negotiations in Salt Lake City, Utah. View the chart here. HuffPost was unable to determine which of the 11 non-U.S. nations involved in the talks was responsible for the memo. The Obama administration was not available for comment Sunday evening.

Previously leaked TPP documents have sparked alarm among global health experts, Internet freedom activists, environmentalists and organized labor, but are adamantly supported by American corporations and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. The Obama administration has deemed negotiations to be classified information -- banning members of Congress from discussing the American negotiating position with the press or the public. Congressional staffers have been restricted from viewing the documents.


Source


Show nested quote +
Previously leaked TPP documents have sparked alarm among global health experts, Internet freedom activists, environmentalists and organized labor, but are adamantly supported by American corporations and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. The Obama administration has deemed negotiations to be classified information -- banning members of Congress from discussing the American negotiating position with the press or the public. Congressional staffers have been restricted from viewing the documents.


How the fu*k bypassing the constitution of pretty much every country on planet earth, shitting on consumer interests and giving corporate blowjobs en masse ain't news 24/7 is beyond me. The only place I regularly read about it is twitter.

When government has "something to hide", you know _something_ is up.



When the tit is that big, everyone gets in line and everything is secondary to closing the deal.
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
December 09 2013 00:13 GMT
#13902
On December 09 2013 09:10 coverpunch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2013 09:02 Doublemint wrote:
On December 09 2013 08:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration appears to have almost no international support for controversial new trade standards that would grant radical new political powers to corporations, increase the cost of prescription medications and restrict bank regulation, according to two internal memos obtained by The Huffington Post.

The memos, which come from a government involved in the 12-nation Trans-Pacific Partnership free trade negotiations, detail continued disputes in the talks over the deal. They reveal broad disagreement over a host of key positions, and general skepticism that an agreement can be reached by year-end. The Obama administration has urged countries to reach a deal by New Year's Day, though there is no technical deadline.

One memo, which was heavily redacted before being provided to HuffPost, was written ahead of a new round of talks in Singapore this week. Read the full text of what HuffPost received here. (Note: Ellipses indicate redacted text. Text in brackets has been added by a third party.) Another document, a chart outlining different country positions on the text, dates from early November, before the round of negotiations in Salt Lake City, Utah. View the chart here. HuffPost was unable to determine which of the 11 non-U.S. nations involved in the talks was responsible for the memo. The Obama administration was not available for comment Sunday evening.

Previously leaked TPP documents have sparked alarm among global health experts, Internet freedom activists, environmentalists and organized labor, but are adamantly supported by American corporations and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. The Obama administration has deemed negotiations to be classified information -- banning members of Congress from discussing the American negotiating position with the press or the public. Congressional staffers have been restricted from viewing the documents.


Source


Previously leaked TPP documents have sparked alarm among global health experts, Internet freedom activists, environmentalists and organized labor, but are adamantly supported by American corporations and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. The Obama administration has deemed negotiations to be classified information -- banning members of Congress from discussing the American negotiating position with the press or the public. Congressional staffers have been restricted from viewing the documents.


How the fu*k bypassing the constitution of pretty much every country on planet earth, shitting on consumer interests and giving corporate blowjobs en masse ain't news 24/7 is beyond me. The only place I regularly read about it is twitter.

When government has "something to hide", you know _something_ is up.



When the tit is that big, everyone gets in line and everything is secondary to closing the deal.

Yes, but we european have the clear feeling we're going to get fucked if we accept the deal. And boy, I can't disagree with that feeling.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-09 00:37:17
December 09 2013 00:35 GMT
#13903
On December 09 2013 09:13 corumjhaelen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2013 09:10 coverpunch wrote:
On December 09 2013 09:02 Doublemint wrote:
On December 09 2013 08:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration appears to have almost no international support for controversial new trade standards that would grant radical new political powers to corporations, increase the cost of prescription medications and restrict bank regulation, according to two internal memos obtained by The Huffington Post.

The memos, which come from a government involved in the 12-nation Trans-Pacific Partnership free trade negotiations, detail continued disputes in the talks over the deal. They reveal broad disagreement over a host of key positions, and general skepticism that an agreement can be reached by year-end. The Obama administration has urged countries to reach a deal by New Year's Day, though there is no technical deadline.

One memo, which was heavily redacted before being provided to HuffPost, was written ahead of a new round of talks in Singapore this week. Read the full text of what HuffPost received here. (Note: Ellipses indicate redacted text. Text in brackets has been added by a third party.) Another document, a chart outlining different country positions on the text, dates from early November, before the round of negotiations in Salt Lake City, Utah. View the chart here. HuffPost was unable to determine which of the 11 non-U.S. nations involved in the talks was responsible for the memo. The Obama administration was not available for comment Sunday evening.

Previously leaked TPP documents have sparked alarm among global health experts, Internet freedom activists, environmentalists and organized labor, but are adamantly supported by American corporations and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. The Obama administration has deemed negotiations to be classified information -- banning members of Congress from discussing the American negotiating position with the press or the public. Congressional staffers have been restricted from viewing the documents.


Source


Previously leaked TPP documents have sparked alarm among global health experts, Internet freedom activists, environmentalists and organized labor, but are adamantly supported by American corporations and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. The Obama administration has deemed negotiations to be classified information -- banning members of Congress from discussing the American negotiating position with the press or the public. Congressional staffers have been restricted from viewing the documents.


How the fu*k bypassing the constitution of pretty much every country on planet earth, shitting on consumer interests and giving corporate blowjobs en masse ain't news 24/7 is beyond me. The only place I regularly read about it is twitter.

When government has "something to hide", you know _something_ is up.



When the tit is that big, everyone gets in line and everything is secondary to closing the deal.

Yes, but we european have the clear feeling we're going to get fucked if we accept the deal. And boy, I can't disagree with that feeling.


Sure. However, this is way bigger than just people from EU getting fucked over.

//edit: found this, to lighten the mood a bit. maybe something can be done... *sigh*

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/stop_the_corporate_death_star_e/?twi
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
December 09 2013 02:24 GMT
#13904
On December 09 2013 09:00 Gorsameth wrote:
Gee who would think that the rest of the world doesn't like increased costs, less control of banks and more power to corporations. Its almost like they have a brain...

At the end of the day if they want to sell things to the US they need to be willing to buy things in return, and that means willing to pay for IP as well.
Livelovedie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States492 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-09 02:52:17
December 09 2013 02:51 GMT
#13905
On December 09 2013 11:24 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2013 09:00 Gorsameth wrote:
Gee who would think that the rest of the world doesn't like increased costs, less control of banks and more power to corporations. Its almost like they have a brain...

At the end of the day if they want to sell things to the US they need to be willing to buy things in return, and that means willing to pay for IP as well.

If there is no international support then the US is not in any position of power to dictate that that needs to be the case. So if the US wants to buy things from Europe then that means they need to accept they won't get paid for IP.
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
December 09 2013 03:20 GMT
#13906
On December 09 2013 11:51 Livelovedie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2013 11:24 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On December 09 2013 09:00 Gorsameth wrote:
Gee who would think that the rest of the world doesn't like increased costs, less control of banks and more power to corporations. Its almost like they have a brain...

At the end of the day if they want to sell things to the US they need to be willing to buy things in return, and that means willing to pay for IP as well.

If there is no international support then the US is not in any position of power to dictate that that needs to be the case. So if the US wants to buy things from Europe then that means they need to accept they won't get paid for IP.

What does Europe have to do with the TPP? Regardless, I don't see how your argument makes sense. We pay countries for the things we buy from them. They don't deserve extras like free IP on top of it.
jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
December 09 2013 03:29 GMT
#13907
On December 09 2013 07:41 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2013 07:34 xDaunt wrote:
On December 09 2013 07:11 sam!zdat wrote:
On December 09 2013 07:04 xDaunt wrote:
On December 09 2013 05:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On December 09 2013 02:48 xDaunt wrote:
On December 09 2013 02:34 Paljas wrote:
On December 09 2013 01:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
WASHINGTON -- Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said Sunday he opposes extending unemployment benefits for workers, arguing that it would be a "disservice" to jobless individuals.

"I do support unemployment benefits for the 26 weeks that they're paid for. If you extend it beyond that, you do a disservice to these workers," he said in an interview on "Fox News Sunday."

About 1.3 million long-term jobless Americans will lose federal benefits if Congress fails to reauthorize the Emergency Unemployment Compensation program, which expires at the end of December.

Without congressional action, the most time that people could get would be six months of state unemployment benefits.

"When you allow people to be on unemployment insurance for 99 weeks, you're causing them to become part of this perpetual unemployed group in our economy," Paul argued on "Fox News Sunday."


Source

so, instead of supporting people who suffer from long time unemployment, he proposes to cut the benefits without some sort of compensation, so they become even more isolated and left alone from society and nation. great plan

Yeah, I'm all for giving lazy people handouts in perpetuity. Getting a job isn't hard. Getting a job that you like can be hard. Waiting for the latter isn't an excuse not to work.


Cause $300 a week is just living a life of luxury.

Yeah, and people can go earn that on their feet working somewhere instead of just collecting it on their couch.


ah but there's the rub

let's just wave our hands in the air and say that structural unemployment is due to the laziness of individuals and that it would all go away if people would just get up off their couches. that will all make us feel much better

the problem is that americans can't compete with southeast asians in special economic zone police state factory compounds. but YOU try to tell americans that they're worth about 1.50/hr and enjoy yr revolution

You are missing the point. We are only talking about replacing $300 per week in unemployment benefits. Getting a job that does that is pretty easy.

An awful lot of the kind of jobs you're suggesting they get will give irregular part time hours that demand total availability (so if you need to pick kids up from school or whatever daily then you can't just work 8 hour evening shifts after that) and will hire on 16 or so hour contracts and then give extra hours as required. It's not as simple as you're suggesting, the jobs that are easy to pick up for the unskilled tend to take advantage of them because they know they can get away with doing all sorts of bullshit. I know from personal experience how shitty employers can be if they think you're replaceable and that you need the job.


Oh FFS, there is always something or some sort of an excuse. If you think you are qualified but can't find a job for two freaking years, then maybe the problem is with you and not the system.
Livelovedie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States492 Posts
December 09 2013 03:40 GMT
#13908
On December 09 2013 12:20 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2013 11:51 Livelovedie wrote:
On December 09 2013 11:24 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On December 09 2013 09:00 Gorsameth wrote:
Gee who would think that the rest of the world doesn't like increased costs, less control of banks and more power to corporations. Its almost like they have a brain...

At the end of the day if they want to sell things to the US they need to be willing to buy things in return, and that means willing to pay for IP as well.

If there is no international support then the US is not in any position of power to dictate that that needs to be the case. So if the US wants to buy things from Europe then that means they need to accept they won't get paid for IP.

What does Europe have to do with the TPP? Regardless, I don't see how your argument makes sense. We pay countries for the things we buy from them. They don't deserve extras like free IP on top of it.

Meant TPP, my apologies. You made it seem like the US has leverage to dictate the agreement, but I don't see how they do. So your ultimatum makes no sense.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
December 09 2013 03:45 GMT
#13909
I bristle at the thought that unemployed people for long periods of time (6+ months) would be absolutely taken advantage of should they find jobs. The same party wanting to extend unemployment payouts has angled for the increases in minimum wage keeping their hours lower than they would otherwise be. That aside, you do no favors delaying the job search as is confirmed by several studies. Instead of straw manning employers of part time employees, pursue alternative ideas to UI as it exists today. Improve the landscape, don't extend the morass.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
December 09 2013 03:53 GMT
#13910
On December 09 2013 12:40 Livelovedie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2013 12:20 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On December 09 2013 11:51 Livelovedie wrote:
On December 09 2013 11:24 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On December 09 2013 09:00 Gorsameth wrote:
Gee who would think that the rest of the world doesn't like increased costs, less control of banks and more power to corporations. Its almost like they have a brain...

At the end of the day if they want to sell things to the US they need to be willing to buy things in return, and that means willing to pay for IP as well.

If there is no international support then the US is not in any position of power to dictate that that needs to be the case. So if the US wants to buy things from Europe then that means they need to accept they won't get paid for IP.

What does Europe have to do with the TPP? Regardless, I don't see how your argument makes sense. We pay countries for the things we buy from them. They don't deserve extras like free IP on top of it.

Meant TPP, my apologies. You made it seem like the US has leverage to dictate the agreement, but I don't see how they do. So your ultimatum makes no sense.

I don't think we can dictate an agreement, but we do have lots of leverage. We're a great customer, and they have to buy dollar assets anyways.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 09 2013 04:54 GMT
#13911
*golfclap*


An unarmed, emotionally disturbed man shot at by the police as he was lurching around traffic near Times Square in September has been charged with assault, on the theory that he was responsible for bullet wounds suffered by two bystanders, according to an indictment unsealed in State Supreme Court in Manhattan on Wednesday.

The man, Glenn Broadnax, 35, of Brooklyn, created a disturbance on Sept. 14, wading into traffic at 42nd Street and Eighth Avenue and throwing himself into the path of oncoming cars.

A curious crowd grew. Police officers arrived and tried to corral Mr. Broadnax, a 250-pound man. When he reached into his pants pocket, two officers, who, the police said, thought he was pulling a gun, opened fire, missing Mr. Broadnax, but hitting two nearby women. Finally, a police sergeant knocked Mr. Broadnax down with a Taser.


Source
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
December 09 2013 05:04 GMT
#13912
On December 09 2013 12:29 jellyjello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2013 07:41 KwarK wrote:
On December 09 2013 07:34 xDaunt wrote:
On December 09 2013 07:11 sam!zdat wrote:
On December 09 2013 07:04 xDaunt wrote:
On December 09 2013 05:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On December 09 2013 02:48 xDaunt wrote:
On December 09 2013 02:34 Paljas wrote:
On December 09 2013 01:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
WASHINGTON -- Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said Sunday he opposes extending unemployment benefits for workers, arguing that it would be a "disservice" to jobless individuals.

"I do support unemployment benefits for the 26 weeks that they're paid for. If you extend it beyond that, you do a disservice to these workers," he said in an interview on "Fox News Sunday."

About 1.3 million long-term jobless Americans will lose federal benefits if Congress fails to reauthorize the Emergency Unemployment Compensation program, which expires at the end of December.

Without congressional action, the most time that people could get would be six months of state unemployment benefits.

"When you allow people to be on unemployment insurance for 99 weeks, you're causing them to become part of this perpetual unemployed group in our economy," Paul argued on "Fox News Sunday."


Source

so, instead of supporting people who suffer from long time unemployment, he proposes to cut the benefits without some sort of compensation, so they become even more isolated and left alone from society and nation. great plan

Yeah, I'm all for giving lazy people handouts in perpetuity. Getting a job isn't hard. Getting a job that you like can be hard. Waiting for the latter isn't an excuse not to work.


Cause $300 a week is just living a life of luxury.

Yeah, and people can go earn that on their feet working somewhere instead of just collecting it on their couch.


ah but there's the rub

let's just wave our hands in the air and say that structural unemployment is due to the laziness of individuals and that it would all go away if people would just get up off their couches. that will all make us feel much better

the problem is that americans can't compete with southeast asians in special economic zone police state factory compounds. but YOU try to tell americans that they're worth about 1.50/hr and enjoy yr revolution

You are missing the point. We are only talking about replacing $300 per week in unemployment benefits. Getting a job that does that is pretty easy.

An awful lot of the kind of jobs you're suggesting they get will give irregular part time hours that demand total availability (so if you need to pick kids up from school or whatever daily then you can't just work 8 hour evening shifts after that) and will hire on 16 or so hour contracts and then give extra hours as required. It's not as simple as you're suggesting, the jobs that are easy to pick up for the unskilled tend to take advantage of them because they know they can get away with doing all sorts of bullshit. I know from personal experience how shitty employers can be if they think you're replaceable and that you need the job.


Oh FFS, there is always something or some sort of an excuse. If you think you are qualified but can't find a job for two freaking years, then maybe the problem is with you and not the system.

Unless you're talking about seriously depressed regions, anyone who is a hard worker can get a job if they want one. Hell, people who are really good at whatever they do professionally will always find work one way or another. And I'm not talking about shit jobs at McDonald's or Walmart, either. Part of my job is to deal with people who have shit happen to them. Without exception, those who are legitimately hard workers and who aren't completely compromised (like some of my brain injured clients) have no problem finding work and getting hired. On the other hand, I also have clients who are lazy, and they, unsurprisingly, have trouble getting employment or staying employed. Things aren't so bad that determined people can't find work.
HunterX11
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1048 Posts
December 09 2013 05:18 GMT
#13913
On December 09 2013 14:04 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2013 12:29 jellyjello wrote:
On December 09 2013 07:41 KwarK wrote:
On December 09 2013 07:34 xDaunt wrote:
On December 09 2013 07:11 sam!zdat wrote:
On December 09 2013 07:04 xDaunt wrote:
On December 09 2013 05:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On December 09 2013 02:48 xDaunt wrote:
On December 09 2013 02:34 Paljas wrote:
On December 09 2013 01:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
[quote]

Source

so, instead of supporting people who suffer from long time unemployment, he proposes to cut the benefits without some sort of compensation, so they become even more isolated and left alone from society and nation. great plan

Yeah, I'm all for giving lazy people handouts in perpetuity. Getting a job isn't hard. Getting a job that you like can be hard. Waiting for the latter isn't an excuse not to work.


Cause $300 a week is just living a life of luxury.

Yeah, and people can go earn that on their feet working somewhere instead of just collecting it on their couch.


ah but there's the rub

let's just wave our hands in the air and say that structural unemployment is due to the laziness of individuals and that it would all go away if people would just get up off their couches. that will all make us feel much better

the problem is that americans can't compete with southeast asians in special economic zone police state factory compounds. but YOU try to tell americans that they're worth about 1.50/hr and enjoy yr revolution

You are missing the point. We are only talking about replacing $300 per week in unemployment benefits. Getting a job that does that is pretty easy.

An awful lot of the kind of jobs you're suggesting they get will give irregular part time hours that demand total availability (so if you need to pick kids up from school or whatever daily then you can't just work 8 hour evening shifts after that) and will hire on 16 or so hour contracts and then give extra hours as required. It's not as simple as you're suggesting, the jobs that are easy to pick up for the unskilled tend to take advantage of them because they know they can get away with doing all sorts of bullshit. I know from personal experience how shitty employers can be if they think you're replaceable and that you need the job.


Oh FFS, there is always something or some sort of an excuse. If you think you are qualified but can't find a job for two freaking years, then maybe the problem is with you and not the system.

Unless you're talking about seriously depressed regions, anyone who is a hard worker can get a job if they want one. Hell, people who are really good at whatever they do professionally will always find work one way or another. And I'm not talking about shit jobs at McDonald's or Walmart, either. Part of my job is to deal with people who have shit happen to them. Without exception, those who are legitimately hard workers and who aren't completely compromised (like some of my brain injured clients) have no problem finding work and getting hired. On the other hand, I also have clients who are lazy, and they, unsurprisingly, have trouble getting employment or staying employed. Things aren't so bad that determined people can't find work.


Are you saying then that increases in structural unemployment are caused by a mass increase in laziness? Even if they were, shouldn't we do something about that more than just telling people to get tougher?
Try using both Irradiate and Defensive Matrix on an Overlord. It looks pretty neat.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
December 09 2013 05:37 GMT
#13914
On December 09 2013 14:18 HunterX11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2013 14:04 xDaunt wrote:
On December 09 2013 12:29 jellyjello wrote:
On December 09 2013 07:41 KwarK wrote:
On December 09 2013 07:34 xDaunt wrote:
On December 09 2013 07:11 sam!zdat wrote:
On December 09 2013 07:04 xDaunt wrote:
On December 09 2013 05:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On December 09 2013 02:48 xDaunt wrote:
On December 09 2013 02:34 Paljas wrote:
[quote]
so, instead of supporting people who suffer from long time unemployment, he proposes to cut the benefits without some sort of compensation, so they become even more isolated and left alone from society and nation. great plan

Yeah, I'm all for giving lazy people handouts in perpetuity. Getting a job isn't hard. Getting a job that you like can be hard. Waiting for the latter isn't an excuse not to work.


Cause $300 a week is just living a life of luxury.

Yeah, and people can go earn that on their feet working somewhere instead of just collecting it on their couch.


ah but there's the rub

let's just wave our hands in the air and say that structural unemployment is due to the laziness of individuals and that it would all go away if people would just get up off their couches. that will all make us feel much better

the problem is that americans can't compete with southeast asians in special economic zone police state factory compounds. but YOU try to tell americans that they're worth about 1.50/hr and enjoy yr revolution

You are missing the point. We are only talking about replacing $300 per week in unemployment benefits. Getting a job that does that is pretty easy.

An awful lot of the kind of jobs you're suggesting they get will give irregular part time hours that demand total availability (so if you need to pick kids up from school or whatever daily then you can't just work 8 hour evening shifts after that) and will hire on 16 or so hour contracts and then give extra hours as required. It's not as simple as you're suggesting, the jobs that are easy to pick up for the unskilled tend to take advantage of them because they know they can get away with doing all sorts of bullshit. I know from personal experience how shitty employers can be if they think you're replaceable and that you need the job.


Oh FFS, there is always something or some sort of an excuse. If you think you are qualified but can't find a job for two freaking years, then maybe the problem is with you and not the system.

Unless you're talking about seriously depressed regions, anyone who is a hard worker can get a job if they want one. Hell, people who are really good at whatever they do professionally will always find work one way or another. And I'm not talking about shit jobs at McDonald's or Walmart, either. Part of my job is to deal with people who have shit happen to them. Without exception, those who are legitimately hard workers and who aren't completely compromised (like some of my brain injured clients) have no problem finding work and getting hired. On the other hand, I also have clients who are lazy, and they, unsurprisingly, have trouble getting employment or staying employed. Things aren't so bad that determined people can't find work.


Are you saying then that increases in structural unemployment are caused by a mass increase in laziness? Even if they were, shouldn't we do something about that more than just telling people to get tougher?

Who says that there has been an increase in structural unemployment since 2008 when the market turned? This report to Congress says that the current high rate of unemployment is predominantly cyclical.

And no, I'm not saying that "laziness" is what resulted in people losing their jobs to begin with. What I am saying is that people who legitimately are good workers (and want to work) seem to have no trouble getting employed when they lose their jobs for reasons outside of their control.

How many of you have actually had to hire a new employee or otherwise dealt with these issues from the perspective of the employer? It's a real pain in the ass. There are so many people out there who are just lousy workers. The good ones are really hard to find, because they all have jobs.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
December 09 2013 05:53 GMT
#13915
Americans who are buying insurance plans over online exchanges, under what is known as Obamacare, will have limited access to some of the nation’s leading hospitals, including two world-renowned cancer centres.

Amid a drive by insurers to limit costs, the majority of insurance plans being sold on the new healthcare exchanges in New York, Texas, and California, for example, will not offer patients’ access to Memorial Sloan Kettering in Manhattan or MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, two top cancer centres, or Cedars-Sinai in Los Angeles, one of the top research and teaching hospitals in the country.

Experts say the move by insurers to limit consumers’ choices and steer them away from hospitals that are considered too expensive, or even “inefficient”, reflects the new competitive landscape in the insurance industry since the passage of the Affordable Care Act, Barack Obama’s 2010 healthcare law.

source

Meanwhile, if you like your hospital, sorry, you'll have to find another. In Obama's new health care market, the top hospitals aren't covered as insurers try to cope with their newfound mandated costs.
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
December 09 2013 06:04 GMT
#13916
On December 09 2013 12:53 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2013 12:40 Livelovedie wrote:
On December 09 2013 12:20 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On December 09 2013 11:51 Livelovedie wrote:
On December 09 2013 11:24 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On December 09 2013 09:00 Gorsameth wrote:
Gee who would think that the rest of the world doesn't like increased costs, less control of banks and more power to corporations. Its almost like they have a brain...

At the end of the day if they want to sell things to the US they need to be willing to buy things in return, and that means willing to pay for IP as well.

If there is no international support then the US is not in any position of power to dictate that that needs to be the case. So if the US wants to buy things from Europe then that means they need to accept they won't get paid for IP.

What does Europe have to do with the TPP? Regardless, I don't see how your argument makes sense. We pay countries for the things we buy from them. They don't deserve extras like free IP on top of it.

Meant TPP, my apologies. You made it seem like the US has leverage to dictate the agreement, but I don't see how they do. So your ultimatum makes no sense.

I don't think we can dictate an agreement, but we do have lots of leverage. We're a great customer, and they have to buy dollar assets anyways.


IP is silly. Rent-seeking capitalists trying to propertize ideas.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Livelovedie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States492 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-09 06:06:37
December 09 2013 06:06 GMT
#13917
Shouldn't conservatives like this since it would theoretically lead to more cost-effective, efficient healthcare? I'm all for ending healthcare as a for-profit enterprise though.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
December 09 2013 06:08 GMT
#13918
On December 09 2013 14:37 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2013 14:18 HunterX11 wrote:
On December 09 2013 14:04 xDaunt wrote:
On December 09 2013 12:29 jellyjello wrote:
On December 09 2013 07:41 KwarK wrote:
On December 09 2013 07:34 xDaunt wrote:
On December 09 2013 07:11 sam!zdat wrote:
On December 09 2013 07:04 xDaunt wrote:
On December 09 2013 05:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On December 09 2013 02:48 xDaunt wrote:
[quote]
Yeah, I'm all for giving lazy people handouts in perpetuity. Getting a job isn't hard. Getting a job that you like can be hard. Waiting for the latter isn't an excuse not to work.


Cause $300 a week is just living a life of luxury.

Yeah, and people can go earn that on their feet working somewhere instead of just collecting it on their couch.


ah but there's the rub

let's just wave our hands in the air and say that structural unemployment is due to the laziness of individuals and that it would all go away if people would just get up off their couches. that will all make us feel much better

the problem is that americans can't compete with southeast asians in special economic zone police state factory compounds. but YOU try to tell americans that they're worth about 1.50/hr and enjoy yr revolution

You are missing the point. We are only talking about replacing $300 per week in unemployment benefits. Getting a job that does that is pretty easy.

An awful lot of the kind of jobs you're suggesting they get will give irregular part time hours that demand total availability (so if you need to pick kids up from school or whatever daily then you can't just work 8 hour evening shifts after that) and will hire on 16 or so hour contracts and then give extra hours as required. It's not as simple as you're suggesting, the jobs that are easy to pick up for the unskilled tend to take advantage of them because they know they can get away with doing all sorts of bullshit. I know from personal experience how shitty employers can be if they think you're replaceable and that you need the job.


Oh FFS, there is always something or some sort of an excuse. If you think you are qualified but can't find a job for two freaking years, then maybe the problem is with you and not the system.

Unless you're talking about seriously depressed regions, anyone who is a hard worker can get a job if they want one. Hell, people who are really good at whatever they do professionally will always find work one way or another. And I'm not talking about shit jobs at McDonald's or Walmart, either. Part of my job is to deal with people who have shit happen to them. Without exception, those who are legitimately hard workers and who aren't completely compromised (like some of my brain injured clients) have no problem finding work and getting hired. On the other hand, I also have clients who are lazy, and they, unsurprisingly, have trouble getting employment or staying employed. Things aren't so bad that determined people can't find work.


Are you saying then that increases in structural unemployment are caused by a mass increase in laziness? Even if they were, shouldn't we do something about that more than just telling people to get tougher?

Who says that there has been an increase in structural unemployment since 2008 when the market turned? This report to Congress says that the current high rate of unemployment is predominantly cyclical.

And no, I'm not saying that "laziness" is what resulted in people losing their jobs to begin with. What I am saying is that people who legitimately are good workers (and want to work) seem to have no trouble getting employed when they lose their jobs for reasons outside of their control.

How many of you have actually had to hire a new employee or otherwise dealt with these issues from the perspective of the employer? It's a real pain in the ass. There are so many people out there who are just lousy workers. The good ones are really hard to find, because they all have jobs.


It's fine for you to say that about professionals with "marketable" skills but when was the last time you were an aging senior who lost his job and pension trying to find some new employment? Or a young recent college grad trying to get experience and develop the expertise you say will find determined individuals a living wage? It's news to me that most people on UI for 90 weeks are established professionals with expertise who are just too lazy to get a new job.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
December 09 2013 07:12 GMT
#13919
On December 09 2013 15:08 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2013 14:37 xDaunt wrote:
On December 09 2013 14:18 HunterX11 wrote:
On December 09 2013 14:04 xDaunt wrote:
On December 09 2013 12:29 jellyjello wrote:
On December 09 2013 07:41 KwarK wrote:
On December 09 2013 07:34 xDaunt wrote:
On December 09 2013 07:11 sam!zdat wrote:
On December 09 2013 07:04 xDaunt wrote:
On December 09 2013 05:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
[quote]

Cause $300 a week is just living a life of luxury.

Yeah, and people can go earn that on their feet working somewhere instead of just collecting it on their couch.


ah but there's the rub

let's just wave our hands in the air and say that structural unemployment is due to the laziness of individuals and that it would all go away if people would just get up off their couches. that will all make us feel much better

the problem is that americans can't compete with southeast asians in special economic zone police state factory compounds. but YOU try to tell americans that they're worth about 1.50/hr and enjoy yr revolution

You are missing the point. We are only talking about replacing $300 per week in unemployment benefits. Getting a job that does that is pretty easy.

An awful lot of the kind of jobs you're suggesting they get will give irregular part time hours that demand total availability (so if you need to pick kids up from school or whatever daily then you can't just work 8 hour evening shifts after that) and will hire on 16 or so hour contracts and then give extra hours as required. It's not as simple as you're suggesting, the jobs that are easy to pick up for the unskilled tend to take advantage of them because they know they can get away with doing all sorts of bullshit. I know from personal experience how shitty employers can be if they think you're replaceable and that you need the job.


Oh FFS, there is always something or some sort of an excuse. If you think you are qualified but can't find a job for two freaking years, then maybe the problem is with you and not the system.

Unless you're talking about seriously depressed regions, anyone who is a hard worker can get a job if they want one. Hell, people who are really good at whatever they do professionally will always find work one way or another. And I'm not talking about shit jobs at McDonald's or Walmart, either. Part of my job is to deal with people who have shit happen to them. Without exception, those who are legitimately hard workers and who aren't completely compromised (like some of my brain injured clients) have no problem finding work and getting hired. On the other hand, I also have clients who are lazy, and they, unsurprisingly, have trouble getting employment or staying employed. Things aren't so bad that determined people can't find work.


Are you saying then that increases in structural unemployment are caused by a mass increase in laziness? Even if they were, shouldn't we do something about that more than just telling people to get tougher?

Who says that there has been an increase in structural unemployment since 2008 when the market turned? This report to Congress says that the current high rate of unemployment is predominantly cyclical.

And no, I'm not saying that "laziness" is what resulted in people losing their jobs to begin with. What I am saying is that people who legitimately are good workers (and want to work) seem to have no trouble getting employed when they lose their jobs for reasons outside of their control.

How many of you have actually had to hire a new employee or otherwise dealt with these issues from the perspective of the employer? It's a real pain in the ass. There are so many people out there who are just lousy workers. The good ones are really hard to find, because they all have jobs.


It's fine for you to say that about professionals with "marketable" skills but when was the last time you were an aging senior who lost his job and pension trying to find some new employment? Or a young recent college grad trying to get experience and develop the expertise you say will find determined individuals a living wage? It's news to me that most people on UI for 90 weeks are established professionals with expertise who are just too lazy to get a new job.


If you are an aging senior without any sort of retirement plan, then whose problem is it really? Funny that most senior people I know have two or three retirement checks coming monthly, and some even have 401K on top of it. You reap what you sow.

Also, it shouldn't take two years for a recent college grad to land a position where he can gain experience. After all, everyone had to start from somewhere. You have a college degree but can't find a job for two years? Give me a break.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
December 09 2013 09:03 GMT
#13920
On December 09 2013 16:12 jellyjello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2013 15:08 IgnE wrote:
On December 09 2013 14:37 xDaunt wrote:
On December 09 2013 14:18 HunterX11 wrote:
On December 09 2013 14:04 xDaunt wrote:
On December 09 2013 12:29 jellyjello wrote:
On December 09 2013 07:41 KwarK wrote:
On December 09 2013 07:34 xDaunt wrote:
On December 09 2013 07:11 sam!zdat wrote:
On December 09 2013 07:04 xDaunt wrote:
[quote]
Yeah, and people can go earn that on their feet working somewhere instead of just collecting it on their couch.


ah but there's the rub

let's just wave our hands in the air and say that structural unemployment is due to the laziness of individuals and that it would all go away if people would just get up off their couches. that will all make us feel much better

the problem is that americans can't compete with southeast asians in special economic zone police state factory compounds. but YOU try to tell americans that they're worth about 1.50/hr and enjoy yr revolution

You are missing the point. We are only talking about replacing $300 per week in unemployment benefits. Getting a job that does that is pretty easy.

An awful lot of the kind of jobs you're suggesting they get will give irregular part time hours that demand total availability (so if you need to pick kids up from school or whatever daily then you can't just work 8 hour evening shifts after that) and will hire on 16 or so hour contracts and then give extra hours as required. It's not as simple as you're suggesting, the jobs that are easy to pick up for the unskilled tend to take advantage of them because they know they can get away with doing all sorts of bullshit. I know from personal experience how shitty employers can be if they think you're replaceable and that you need the job.


Oh FFS, there is always something or some sort of an excuse. If you think you are qualified but can't find a job for two freaking years, then maybe the problem is with you and not the system.

Unless you're talking about seriously depressed regions, anyone who is a hard worker can get a job if they want one. Hell, people who are really good at whatever they do professionally will always find work one way or another. And I'm not talking about shit jobs at McDonald's or Walmart, either. Part of my job is to deal with people who have shit happen to them. Without exception, those who are legitimately hard workers and who aren't completely compromised (like some of my brain injured clients) have no problem finding work and getting hired. On the other hand, I also have clients who are lazy, and they, unsurprisingly, have trouble getting employment or staying employed. Things aren't so bad that determined people can't find work.


Are you saying then that increases in structural unemployment are caused by a mass increase in laziness? Even if they were, shouldn't we do something about that more than just telling people to get tougher?

Who says that there has been an increase in structural unemployment since 2008 when the market turned? This report to Congress says that the current high rate of unemployment is predominantly cyclical.

And no, I'm not saying that "laziness" is what resulted in people losing their jobs to begin with. What I am saying is that people who legitimately are good workers (and want to work) seem to have no trouble getting employed when they lose their jobs for reasons outside of their control.

How many of you have actually had to hire a new employee or otherwise dealt with these issues from the perspective of the employer? It's a real pain in the ass. There are so many people out there who are just lousy workers. The good ones are really hard to find, because they all have jobs.


It's fine for you to say that about professionals with "marketable" skills but when was the last time you were an aging senior who lost his job and pension trying to find some new employment? Or a young recent college grad trying to get experience and develop the expertise you say will find determined individuals a living wage? It's news to me that most people on UI for 90 weeks are established professionals with expertise who are just too lazy to get a new job.


If you are an aging senior without any sort of retirement plan, then whose problem is it really? Funny that most senior people I know have two or three retirement checks coming monthly, and some even have 401K on top of it. You reap what you sow.

Also, it shouldn't take two years for a recent college grad to land a position where he can gain experience. After all, everyone had to start from somewhere. You have a college degree but can't find a job for two years? Give me a break.

It's funny that most seniors I know are dead. It's funny that most college grads I know graduated near the top of their class with engineering degrees and had no problems finding jobs. It's funny that most the people I know have never known hunger. It's funny how anecdotal evidence is just short hand for "I think everybody is lying and my uneducated opinion is the TRUTH!"

The job market is hard right now for long term unemployed and new entries to the work force. That's shown in statistics, as is with the state of 401k's in the nation. If you would like to counter those statistics with your own, by all means, find us the data.
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