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Washington (CNN)Four Republican senators have told GOP leadership they are withholding support for President Donald Trump's choice for labor secretary, setting off an intense effort by Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and business groups to bring at least two back into the fold so that the nomination does not fail, several sources involved in the effort tell CNN.
The four, these sources say, are GOP Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Tim Scott of South Carolina and Johnny Isakson of Georgia.
Fast food executive Andrew Puzder is the President's choice, and among the last Cabinet picks to get a confirmation hearing because of controversies that include an admission he employed an undocumented housekeeper. His hearing, delayed several times, is now scheduled for Thursday.
Republicans are not counting on any Democratic votes for Puzder. So, with a 52-48 majority, they would need to hold at least 50 Republicans, as was the case last week when Vice President Mike Pence was called on to break the tie and advance the confirmation of Betsy DeVos as education secretary.
Murkowski and Collins were the two GOP defections on the DeVos vote, and of the four who have voiced reservations about Puzder are viewed as the most difficult to get back in the fold.
If at least two of the four reluctant Republicans cannot be swayed, McConnell could face the unwelcome task of advising the White House to pull the nomination instead of facing an embarrassing Senate floor defeat. But the sources involved in the urgent lobbying effort, speaking to CNN on condition of anonymity, said the leader viewed this as a test of party unity and his leadership, and was determined to round up the necessary votes.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/13/politics/gop-senators-puzder/index.html
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On February 14 2017 06:45 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:Show nested quote +Washington (CNN)Four Republican senators have told GOP leadership they are withholding support for President Donald Trump's choice for labor secretary, setting off an intense effort by Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and business groups to bring at least two back into the fold so that the nomination does not fail, several sources involved in the effort tell CNN.
The four, these sources say, are GOP Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Tim Scott of South Carolina and Johnny Isakson of Georgia.
Fast food executive Andrew Puzder is the President's choice, and among the last Cabinet picks to get a confirmation hearing because of controversies that include an admission he employed an undocumented housekeeper. His hearing, delayed several times, is now scheduled for Thursday.
Republicans are not counting on any Democratic votes for Puzder. So, with a 52-48 majority, they would need to hold at least 50 Republicans, as was the case last week when Vice President Mike Pence was called on to break the tie and advance the confirmation of Betsy DeVos as education secretary.
Murkowski and Collins were the two GOP defections on the DeVos vote, and of the four who have voiced reservations about Puzder are viewed as the most difficult to get back in the fold.
If at least two of the four reluctant Republicans cannot be swayed, McConnell could face the unwelcome task of advising the White House to pull the nomination instead of facing an embarrassing Senate floor defeat. But the sources involved in the urgent lobbying effort, speaking to CNN on condition of anonymity, said the leader viewed this as a test of party unity and his leadership, and was determined to round up the necessary votes.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/13/politics/gop-senators-puzder/index.html
What, was Cory Booker's price too high for Mitch? Not sure why they're going after the GOP hold outs on that one instead of trying to flip Manchin + 1.
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On February 14 2017 05:54 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 05:42 oneofthem wrote:fyi country of origin labeling laws with discriminatory effect are no good at the wto court too, not just isds. yes, countries can be made to pay damages where clear discrimination exist, but this is good! there is no reason to have dumb labeling laws that only a select group of american farmers and food snobs want These sorts of arguments are the exact reason why the TPP failed. And future trade agreements will fail. People spending their money on products want information about those products. I don’t care if there is no valid scientific reasoning to label GMOs, the argument that all consumers are stupid and don’t understand science isn’t really helping the cause of making people think they are totally safe.
This water doesn't contain gluten. It's so informative.
There's also nothing stopping manufacturers from stating that their products don't contain GMOs. Except, apparently people aren't interested enough in it to pay more for it.
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On February 14 2017 06:13 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 05:57 KwarK wrote:On February 14 2017 02:42 xDaunt wrote:On February 14 2017 02:37 oneofthem wrote:
the u.s. does have a strategic interest if you are interested in maintaining things like international laws and norms. but hey, we are medieval so let's go conquer canada I'm all for promoting international laws and norms, but that is an expensive luxury that we can't really afford right now. When some other nation decides to cut us a fat check and help subsidize the effort, great, I'll be back on board. I'm baffled by this idea that the US is too poor to act as an international strongman. I mean the vast, vast, vast majority of all expenses involved in doing that are just building an overwhelmingly powerful military, right? That's pretty much all of it. I mean beyond that, it's mostly just the cost of an international phone plan. You've already bought the military, that's a sunk cost. But somehow we're too cheap to call Putin and tell him to knock it off? And even then it doesn't make sense, given that he called us to ask if it was cool if he went ahead and annexed Ukraine. Was it a reverse charge call? Were we paying per minute? I don't get it. I missed your delusional overly simplistic rants on how easy it is for the US to deploy military strength wherever it wants without consequences. Even you must realize, deep down, that military strength is finite and no nation has ever been able to deploy everywhere in the world as it so desires. Certainly not the US, which can barely deal with a couple thousand desert folk with a mix of Soviet and American weaponry.
Are you unaware that the US already has a large force stationed in Europe for the purpose of containing Russian aggression? If you're not aware of that, why are you trying to discuss the subject. If you are, why are you pretending to be someone too ignorant to discuss the subject?
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On February 14 2017 06:45 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:Show nested quote +Washington (CNN)Four Republican senators have told GOP leadership they are withholding support for President Donald Trump's choice for labor secretary, setting off an intense effort by Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and business groups to bring at least two back into the fold so that the nomination does not fail, several sources involved in the effort tell CNN.
The four, these sources say, are GOP Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Tim Scott of South Carolina and Johnny Isakson of Georgia.
Fast food executive Andrew Puzder is the President's choice, and among the last Cabinet picks to get a confirmation hearing because of controversies that include an admission he employed an undocumented housekeeper. His hearing, delayed several times, is now scheduled for Thursday.
Republicans are not counting on any Democratic votes for Puzder. So, with a 52-48 majority, they would need to hold at least 50 Republicans, as was the case last week when Vice President Mike Pence was called on to break the tie and advance the confirmation of Betsy DeVos as education secretary.
Murkowski and Collins were the two GOP defections on the DeVos vote, and of the four who have voiced reservations about Puzder are viewed as the most difficult to get back in the fold.
If at least two of the four reluctant Republicans cannot be swayed, McConnell could face the unwelcome task of advising the White House to pull the nomination instead of facing an embarrassing Senate floor defeat. But the sources involved in the urgent lobbying effort, speaking to CNN on condition of anonymity, said the leader viewed this as a test of party unity and his leadership, and was determined to round up the necessary votes.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/13/politics/gop-senators-puzder/index.html
Until I see any further evidence to the contrary I will simply assume that they are posturing for concessions. They seem to do that these days.
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On February 14 2017 06:47 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 06:45 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:Washington (CNN)Four Republican senators have told GOP leadership they are withholding support for President Donald Trump's choice for labor secretary, setting off an intense effort by Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and business groups to bring at least two back into the fold so that the nomination does not fail, several sources involved in the effort tell CNN.
The four, these sources say, are GOP Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Tim Scott of South Carolina and Johnny Isakson of Georgia.
Fast food executive Andrew Puzder is the President's choice, and among the last Cabinet picks to get a confirmation hearing because of controversies that include an admission he employed an undocumented housekeeper. His hearing, delayed several times, is now scheduled for Thursday.
Republicans are not counting on any Democratic votes for Puzder. So, with a 52-48 majority, they would need to hold at least 50 Republicans, as was the case last week when Vice President Mike Pence was called on to break the tie and advance the confirmation of Betsy DeVos as education secretary.
Murkowski and Collins were the two GOP defections on the DeVos vote, and of the four who have voiced reservations about Puzder are viewed as the most difficult to get back in the fold.
If at least two of the four reluctant Republicans cannot be swayed, McConnell could face the unwelcome task of advising the White House to pull the nomination instead of facing an embarrassing Senate floor defeat. But the sources involved in the urgent lobbying effort, speaking to CNN on condition of anonymity, said the leader viewed this as a test of party unity and his leadership, and was determined to round up the necessary votes.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/13/politics/gop-senators-puzder/index.html What, was Cory Booker's price too high for Mitch? Not sure why they're going after the GOP hold outs on that one instead of trying to flip Manchin + 1.
Booker would be a crazy person to take that deal in the current climate.
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On February 14 2017 06:55 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 06:47 Nevuk wrote:On February 14 2017 06:45 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:Washington (CNN)Four Republican senators have told GOP leadership they are withholding support for President Donald Trump's choice for labor secretary, setting off an intense effort by Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and business groups to bring at least two back into the fold so that the nomination does not fail, several sources involved in the effort tell CNN.
The four, these sources say, are GOP Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Tim Scott of South Carolina and Johnny Isakson of Georgia.
Fast food executive Andrew Puzder is the President's choice, and among the last Cabinet picks to get a confirmation hearing because of controversies that include an admission he employed an undocumented housekeeper. His hearing, delayed several times, is now scheduled for Thursday.
Republicans are not counting on any Democratic votes for Puzder. So, with a 52-48 majority, they would need to hold at least 50 Republicans, as was the case last week when Vice President Mike Pence was called on to break the tie and advance the confirmation of Betsy DeVos as education secretary.
Murkowski and Collins were the two GOP defections on the DeVos vote, and of the four who have voiced reservations about Puzder are viewed as the most difficult to get back in the fold.
If at least two of the four reluctant Republicans cannot be swayed, McConnell could face the unwelcome task of advising the White House to pull the nomination instead of facing an embarrassing Senate floor defeat. But the sources involved in the urgent lobbying effort, speaking to CNN on condition of anonymity, said the leader viewed this as a test of party unity and his leadership, and was determined to round up the necessary votes.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/13/politics/gop-senators-puzder/index.html What, was Cory Booker's price too high for Mitch? Not sure why they're going after the GOP hold outs on that one instead of trying to flip Manchin + 1. Booker would be a crazy person to take that deal in the current climate.
but didn't you know booker is not just a republican, he is a goldman republican
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On February 14 2017 06:47 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 06:45 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:Washington (CNN)Four Republican senators have told GOP leadership they are withholding support for President Donald Trump's choice for labor secretary, setting off an intense effort by Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and business groups to bring at least two back into the fold so that the nomination does not fail, several sources involved in the effort tell CNN.
The four, these sources say, are GOP Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Tim Scott of South Carolina and Johnny Isakson of Georgia.
Fast food executive Andrew Puzder is the President's choice, and among the last Cabinet picks to get a confirmation hearing because of controversies that include an admission he employed an undocumented housekeeper. His hearing, delayed several times, is now scheduled for Thursday.
Republicans are not counting on any Democratic votes for Puzder. So, with a 52-48 majority, they would need to hold at least 50 Republicans, as was the case last week when Vice President Mike Pence was called on to break the tie and advance the confirmation of Betsy DeVos as education secretary.
Murkowski and Collins were the two GOP defections on the DeVos vote, and of the four who have voiced reservations about Puzder are viewed as the most difficult to get back in the fold.
If at least two of the four reluctant Republicans cannot be swayed, McConnell could face the unwelcome task of advising the White House to pull the nomination instead of facing an embarrassing Senate floor defeat. But the sources involved in the urgent lobbying effort, speaking to CNN on condition of anonymity, said the leader viewed this as a test of party unity and his leadership, and was determined to round up the necessary votes.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/13/politics/gop-senators-puzder/index.html What, was Cory Booker's price too high for Mitch? Not sure why they're going after the GOP hold outs on that one instead of trying to flip Manchin + 1.
Their holding out for contributions (or the reallocation of previous donations). Puzder and his wife contributed $300k + to Trump's campaign. They used the fundraising trick Hillary used to ignore the limits, so presumably some of that money earmarked for local parties can actually end up there.
Speaking of which, I know people roundly dismissed the idea that Hillary was funneling money through state parties in order to circumvent donation limits, they assured us that while we didn't know where the money was going to end up, (though we knew at the time ~99% passed straight through the party and back to Hillary's campaign efforts), that after the election we would see that she did actually use that money for the state level parties.
So here's the article saying that 99% of the money wasn't going to the states being used as go betweens, has any Hillary supporter or person who disputed that it was an intentional avoidance of campaign finance law been able to find any evidence that what we see in this article isn't what happened in the end?
But less than 1 percent of the $61 million raised by that effort has stayed in the state parties’ coffers, according to a POLITICO analysis of the latest Federal Election Commission filings.
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On February 14 2017 06:56 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 06:55 Plansix wrote:On February 14 2017 06:47 Nevuk wrote:On February 14 2017 06:45 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:Washington (CNN)Four Republican senators have told GOP leadership they are withholding support for President Donald Trump's choice for labor secretary, setting off an intense effort by Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and business groups to bring at least two back into the fold so that the nomination does not fail, several sources involved in the effort tell CNN.
The four, these sources say, are GOP Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Tim Scott of South Carolina and Johnny Isakson of Georgia.
Fast food executive Andrew Puzder is the President's choice, and among the last Cabinet picks to get a confirmation hearing because of controversies that include an admission he employed an undocumented housekeeper. His hearing, delayed several times, is now scheduled for Thursday.
Republicans are not counting on any Democratic votes for Puzder. So, with a 52-48 majority, they would need to hold at least 50 Republicans, as was the case last week when Vice President Mike Pence was called on to break the tie and advance the confirmation of Betsy DeVos as education secretary.
Murkowski and Collins were the two GOP defections on the DeVos vote, and of the four who have voiced reservations about Puzder are viewed as the most difficult to get back in the fold.
If at least two of the four reluctant Republicans cannot be swayed, McConnell could face the unwelcome task of advising the White House to pull the nomination instead of facing an embarrassing Senate floor defeat. But the sources involved in the urgent lobbying effort, speaking to CNN on condition of anonymity, said the leader viewed this as a test of party unity and his leadership, and was determined to round up the necessary votes.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/13/politics/gop-senators-puzder/index.html What, was Cory Booker's price too high for Mitch? Not sure why they're going after the GOP hold outs on that one instead of trying to flip Manchin + 1. Booker would be a crazy person to take that deal in the current climate. but didn't you know booker is not just a republican, he is a goldman republican
He's in "progressive" mode after he (and about a dozen Democrats) got reamed for voting against the prescription drug amendment that even Ted Cruz supported.
Had that not happened he might have been the easy vote for DeVos, seeing as how he enjoyed working with her to undermine public education in NJ.
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On February 14 2017 06:57 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 06:47 Nevuk wrote:On February 14 2017 06:45 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:Washington (CNN)Four Republican senators have told GOP leadership they are withholding support for President Donald Trump's choice for labor secretary, setting off an intense effort by Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and business groups to bring at least two back into the fold so that the nomination does not fail, several sources involved in the effort tell CNN.
The four, these sources say, are GOP Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Tim Scott of South Carolina and Johnny Isakson of Georgia.
Fast food executive Andrew Puzder is the President's choice, and among the last Cabinet picks to get a confirmation hearing because of controversies that include an admission he employed an undocumented housekeeper. His hearing, delayed several times, is now scheduled for Thursday.
Republicans are not counting on any Democratic votes for Puzder. So, with a 52-48 majority, they would need to hold at least 50 Republicans, as was the case last week when Vice President Mike Pence was called on to break the tie and advance the confirmation of Betsy DeVos as education secretary.
Murkowski and Collins were the two GOP defections on the DeVos vote, and of the four who have voiced reservations about Puzder are viewed as the most difficult to get back in the fold.
If at least two of the four reluctant Republicans cannot be swayed, McConnell could face the unwelcome task of advising the White House to pull the nomination instead of facing an embarrassing Senate floor defeat. But the sources involved in the urgent lobbying effort, speaking to CNN on condition of anonymity, said the leader viewed this as a test of party unity and his leadership, and was determined to round up the necessary votes.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/13/politics/gop-senators-puzder/index.html What, was Cory Booker's price too high for Mitch? Not sure why they're going after the GOP hold outs on that one instead of trying to flip Manchin + 1. Their holding out for contributions (or the reallocation of previous donations). Puzder and his wife contributed $300k + to Trump's campaign. They used the fundraising trick Hillary used to ignore the limits, so presumably some of that money earmarked for local parties can actually end up there. Speaking of which, I know people roundly dismissed the idea that Hillary was funneling money through state parties in order to circumvent donation limits, they assured us that while we didn't know where the money was going to end up, (though we knew at the time ~99% passed straight through the party and back to Hillary's campaign efforts), that after the election we would see that she did actually use that money for the state level parties. So here's the article saying that 99% of the money wasn't going to the states being used as go betweens, has any Hillary supporter or person who disputed that it was an intentional avoidance of campaign finance law been able to find any evidence that what we see in this article isn't what happened in the end? Show nested quote +But less than 1 percent of the $61 million raised by that effort has stayed in the state parties’ coffers, according to a POLITICO analysis of the latest Federal Election Commission filings. Source
and here we have a supposed democrat complaining about democratic candidate for president raising money to run for president.
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On February 14 2017 06:59 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 06:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 14 2017 06:47 Nevuk wrote:On February 14 2017 06:45 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:Washington (CNN)Four Republican senators have told GOP leadership they are withholding support for President Donald Trump's choice for labor secretary, setting off an intense effort by Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and business groups to bring at least two back into the fold so that the nomination does not fail, several sources involved in the effort tell CNN.
The four, these sources say, are GOP Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Tim Scott of South Carolina and Johnny Isakson of Georgia.
Fast food executive Andrew Puzder is the President's choice, and among the last Cabinet picks to get a confirmation hearing because of controversies that include an admission he employed an undocumented housekeeper. His hearing, delayed several times, is now scheduled for Thursday.
Republicans are not counting on any Democratic votes for Puzder. So, with a 52-48 majority, they would need to hold at least 50 Republicans, as was the case last week when Vice President Mike Pence was called on to break the tie and advance the confirmation of Betsy DeVos as education secretary.
Murkowski and Collins were the two GOP defections on the DeVos vote, and of the four who have voiced reservations about Puzder are viewed as the most difficult to get back in the fold.
If at least two of the four reluctant Republicans cannot be swayed, McConnell could face the unwelcome task of advising the White House to pull the nomination instead of facing an embarrassing Senate floor defeat. But the sources involved in the urgent lobbying effort, speaking to CNN on condition of anonymity, said the leader viewed this as a test of party unity and his leadership, and was determined to round up the necessary votes.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/13/politics/gop-senators-puzder/index.html What, was Cory Booker's price too high for Mitch? Not sure why they're going after the GOP hold outs on that one instead of trying to flip Manchin + 1. Their holding out for contributions (or the reallocation of previous donations). Puzder and his wife contributed $300k + to Trump's campaign. They used the fundraising trick Hillary used to ignore the limits, so presumably some of that money earmarked for local parties can actually end up there. Speaking of which, I know people roundly dismissed the idea that Hillary was funneling money through state parties in order to circumvent donation limits, they assured us that while we didn't know where the money was going to end up, (though we knew at the time ~99% passed straight through the party and back to Hillary's campaign efforts), that after the election we would see that she did actually use that money for the state level parties. So here's the article saying that 99% of the money wasn't going to the states being used as go betweens, has any Hillary supporter or person who disputed that it was an intentional avoidance of campaign finance law been able to find any evidence that what we see in this article isn't what happened in the end? But less than 1 percent of the $61 million raised by that effort has stayed in the state parties’ coffers, according to a POLITICO analysis of the latest Federal Election Commission filings. Source and here we have a supposed democrat complaining about democratic candidate for president raising money to run for president.
Hah, Democrats lost me a while ago, what you see is an independent pointing out that just because a Democrat does it, doesn't mean it's okey dokey.
I'm guessing that's a "no" from you regarding any evidence that she didn't just take the money and leave those local parties high and dry?
EDIT: I know Kwiz is a research machine for defending Hillary, if it's out there, Kwiz knows where it is.
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Considering I can't find any analyses done online including the funds collected after April, which was the last filings that article saw back in May, I'm not sure you'll get anyone to have a meaningful discussion about yet another way to impugn the evil Clintons.
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On February 14 2017 07:02 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 06:59 oneofthem wrote:On February 14 2017 06:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 14 2017 06:47 Nevuk wrote:On February 14 2017 06:45 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:Washington (CNN)Four Republican senators have told GOP leadership they are withholding support for President Donald Trump's choice for labor secretary, setting off an intense effort by Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and business groups to bring at least two back into the fold so that the nomination does not fail, several sources involved in the effort tell CNN.
The four, these sources say, are GOP Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Tim Scott of South Carolina and Johnny Isakson of Georgia.
Fast food executive Andrew Puzder is the President's choice, and among the last Cabinet picks to get a confirmation hearing because of controversies that include an admission he employed an undocumented housekeeper. His hearing, delayed several times, is now scheduled for Thursday.
Republicans are not counting on any Democratic votes for Puzder. So, with a 52-48 majority, they would need to hold at least 50 Republicans, as was the case last week when Vice President Mike Pence was called on to break the tie and advance the confirmation of Betsy DeVos as education secretary.
Murkowski and Collins were the two GOP defections on the DeVos vote, and of the four who have voiced reservations about Puzder are viewed as the most difficult to get back in the fold.
If at least two of the four reluctant Republicans cannot be swayed, McConnell could face the unwelcome task of advising the White House to pull the nomination instead of facing an embarrassing Senate floor defeat. But the sources involved in the urgent lobbying effort, speaking to CNN on condition of anonymity, said the leader viewed this as a test of party unity and his leadership, and was determined to round up the necessary votes.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/13/politics/gop-senators-puzder/index.html What, was Cory Booker's price too high for Mitch? Not sure why they're going after the GOP hold outs on that one instead of trying to flip Manchin + 1. Their holding out for contributions (or the reallocation of previous donations). Puzder and his wife contributed $300k + to Trump's campaign. They used the fundraising trick Hillary used to ignore the limits, so presumably some of that money earmarked for local parties can actually end up there. Speaking of which, I know people roundly dismissed the idea that Hillary was funneling money through state parties in order to circumvent donation limits, they assured us that while we didn't know where the money was going to end up, (though we knew at the time ~99% passed straight through the party and back to Hillary's campaign efforts), that after the election we would see that she did actually use that money for the state level parties. So here's the article saying that 99% of the money wasn't going to the states being used as go betweens, has any Hillary supporter or person who disputed that it was an intentional avoidance of campaign finance law been able to find any evidence that what we see in this article isn't what happened in the end? But less than 1 percent of the $61 million raised by that effort has stayed in the state parties’ coffers, according to a POLITICO analysis of the latest Federal Election Commission filings. Source and here we have a supposed democrat complaining about democratic candidate for president raising money to run for president. Hah, Democrats lost me a while ago, what you see is an independent pointing out that just because a Democrat does it, doesn't mean it's okey dokey. I'm guessing that's a "no" from you regarding any evidence that she didn't just take the money and leave those local parties high and dry?
Whole thing was such bad strategy. If they had spent money on the downballot (like the republicans did) maybe they could've done a lot better on every level - people were far more likely to be persuable to come out for local candidates in 2016 than for the top of the ticket.
I mean, Hillary's natural constituency wasn't democrats anyways, it was never Trump republicans. (At least, that was what her campaign convinced me of).
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On February 14 2017 07:02 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 06:59 oneofthem wrote:On February 14 2017 06:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 14 2017 06:47 Nevuk wrote:On February 14 2017 06:45 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:Washington (CNN)Four Republican senators have told GOP leadership they are withholding support for President Donald Trump's choice for labor secretary, setting off an intense effort by Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and business groups to bring at least two back into the fold so that the nomination does not fail, several sources involved in the effort tell CNN.
The four, these sources say, are GOP Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Tim Scott of South Carolina and Johnny Isakson of Georgia.
Fast food executive Andrew Puzder is the President's choice, and among the last Cabinet picks to get a confirmation hearing because of controversies that include an admission he employed an undocumented housekeeper. His hearing, delayed several times, is now scheduled for Thursday.
Republicans are not counting on any Democratic votes for Puzder. So, with a 52-48 majority, they would need to hold at least 50 Republicans, as was the case last week when Vice President Mike Pence was called on to break the tie and advance the confirmation of Betsy DeVos as education secretary.
Murkowski and Collins were the two GOP defections on the DeVos vote, and of the four who have voiced reservations about Puzder are viewed as the most difficult to get back in the fold.
If at least two of the four reluctant Republicans cannot be swayed, McConnell could face the unwelcome task of advising the White House to pull the nomination instead of facing an embarrassing Senate floor defeat. But the sources involved in the urgent lobbying effort, speaking to CNN on condition of anonymity, said the leader viewed this as a test of party unity and his leadership, and was determined to round up the necessary votes.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/13/politics/gop-senators-puzder/index.html What, was Cory Booker's price too high for Mitch? Not sure why they're going after the GOP hold outs on that one instead of trying to flip Manchin + 1. Their holding out for contributions (or the reallocation of previous donations). Puzder and his wife contributed $300k + to Trump's campaign. They used the fundraising trick Hillary used to ignore the limits, so presumably some of that money earmarked for local parties can actually end up there. Speaking of which, I know people roundly dismissed the idea that Hillary was funneling money through state parties in order to circumvent donation limits, they assured us that while we didn't know where the money was going to end up, (though we knew at the time ~99% passed straight through the party and back to Hillary's campaign efforts), that after the election we would see that she did actually use that money for the state level parties. So here's the article saying that 99% of the money wasn't going to the states being used as go betweens, has any Hillary supporter or person who disputed that it was an intentional avoidance of campaign finance law been able to find any evidence that what we see in this article isn't what happened in the end? But less than 1 percent of the $61 million raised by that effort has stayed in the state parties’ coffers, according to a POLITICO analysis of the latest Federal Election Commission filings. Source and here we have a supposed democrat complaining about democratic candidate for president raising money to run for president. Hah, Democrats lost me a while ago, what you see is an independent pointing out that just because a Democrat does it, doesn't mean it's okey dokey. I'm guessing that's a "no" from you regarding any evidence that she didn't just take the money and leave those local parties high and dry? EDIT: I know Kwiz is a research machine for defending Hillary, if it's out there, Kwiz knows where it is.
actually i'm kinda busy but here you go. http://us-campaign-committees.insidegov.com/l/56465/Hillary-Victory-Fund
3m to each state committee. 100m to the DNC for god knows what. not enough but it's not 1%.
go to spending then disbursement breakdown
so basically 3m for about 20-25 state committees each, that's like more than they raised from states during the primaries stage.
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On February 14 2017 07:06 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Considering I can't find any analyses done online including the funds collected after April, which was the last filings that article saw back in May, I'm not sure you'll get anyone to have a meaningful discussion about yet another way to impugn the evil Clintons.
It's not even about the Clintons really, It's about the Democratic party. After losing some 1000+ seats at the local level of the past years, it's not a mistake they can afford to make again. So if they never got the money, it's rather important to know, so that they don't repeat the mistake.
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On February 14 2017 07:06 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Considering I can't find any analyses done online including the funds collected after April, which was the last filings that article saw back in May, I'm not sure you'll get anyone to have a meaningful discussion about yet another way to impugn the evil Clintons.
Ideally our newly minted AG will simply find that all of this is worth prosecuting for, and we will just solve this matter in court.
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On February 14 2017 07:02 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 06:59 oneofthem wrote:On February 14 2017 06:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 14 2017 06:47 Nevuk wrote:On February 14 2017 06:45 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:Washington (CNN)Four Republican senators have told GOP leadership they are withholding support for President Donald Trump's choice for labor secretary, setting off an intense effort by Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and business groups to bring at least two back into the fold so that the nomination does not fail, several sources involved in the effort tell CNN.
The four, these sources say, are GOP Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Tim Scott of South Carolina and Johnny Isakson of Georgia.
Fast food executive Andrew Puzder is the President's choice, and among the last Cabinet picks to get a confirmation hearing because of controversies that include an admission he employed an undocumented housekeeper. His hearing, delayed several times, is now scheduled for Thursday.
Republicans are not counting on any Democratic votes for Puzder. So, with a 52-48 majority, they would need to hold at least 50 Republicans, as was the case last week when Vice President Mike Pence was called on to break the tie and advance the confirmation of Betsy DeVos as education secretary.
Murkowski and Collins were the two GOP defections on the DeVos vote, and of the four who have voiced reservations about Puzder are viewed as the most difficult to get back in the fold.
If at least two of the four reluctant Republicans cannot be swayed, McConnell could face the unwelcome task of advising the White House to pull the nomination instead of facing an embarrassing Senate floor defeat. But the sources involved in the urgent lobbying effort, speaking to CNN on condition of anonymity, said the leader viewed this as a test of party unity and his leadership, and was determined to round up the necessary votes.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/13/politics/gop-senators-puzder/index.html What, was Cory Booker's price too high for Mitch? Not sure why they're going after the GOP hold outs on that one instead of trying to flip Manchin + 1. Their holding out for contributions (or the reallocation of previous donations). Puzder and his wife contributed $300k + to Trump's campaign. They used the fundraising trick Hillary used to ignore the limits, so presumably some of that money earmarked for local parties can actually end up there. Speaking of which, I know people roundly dismissed the idea that Hillary was funneling money through state parties in order to circumvent donation limits, they assured us that while we didn't know where the money was going to end up, (though we knew at the time ~99% passed straight through the party and back to Hillary's campaign efforts), that after the election we would see that she did actually use that money for the state level parties. So here's the article saying that 99% of the money wasn't going to the states being used as go betweens, has any Hillary supporter or person who disputed that it was an intentional avoidance of campaign finance law been able to find any evidence that what we see in this article isn't what happened in the end? But less than 1 percent of the $61 million raised by that effort has stayed in the state parties’ coffers, according to a POLITICO analysis of the latest Federal Election Commission filings. Source and here we have a supposed democrat complaining about democratic candidate for president raising money to run for president. Hah, Democrats lost me a while ago, what you see is an independent pointing out that just because a Democrat does it, doesn't mean it's okey dokey. I'm guessing that's a "no" from you regarding any evidence that she didn't just take the money and leave those local parties high and dry?
She never "took the money". As was explained to you at length when you initially posted that article, the state parties transferred the donations to the dnc for it to allocate funding according to strategic priorities during the election. If you have evidence that the money disappeared into thin air, show it to us. The FEC website and opensecrets are yours to browse.
On February 14 2017 07:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
EDIT: I know Kwiz is a research machine for defending HRC, if it's out there, Kwiz knows where it is.
I'd call you a research machine for attacking Hillary, but given your tendency to never substantiate your claims with valid evidence, or to make unsubstantiated accusations while putting the onus on others to disprove them (as you just did), I'm not sure the qualifier applies.
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On February 14 2017 07:08 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 07:06 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Considering I can't find any analyses done online including the funds collected after April, which was the last filings that article saw back in May, I'm not sure you'll get anyone to have a meaningful discussion about yet another way to impugn the evil Clintons. Ideally our newly minted AG will simply find that all of this is worth prosecuting for, and we will just solve this matter in court.
sadly there's always some people who disbelieve the results of trials, or feel in particular that while the evidence wasn't enough to convict, it was pretty thorough. I'd expect such to occur in these cases as well, given the biases involved. it's the kind of thing that may take awhile to get through voir dire.
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On February 14 2017 06:56 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 06:55 Plansix wrote:On February 14 2017 06:47 Nevuk wrote:On February 14 2017 06:45 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:Washington (CNN)Four Republican senators have told GOP leadership they are withholding support for President Donald Trump's choice for labor secretary, setting off an intense effort by Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and business groups to bring at least two back into the fold so that the nomination does not fail, several sources involved in the effort tell CNN.
The four, these sources say, are GOP Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Tim Scott of South Carolina and Johnny Isakson of Georgia.
Fast food executive Andrew Puzder is the President's choice, and among the last Cabinet picks to get a confirmation hearing because of controversies that include an admission he employed an undocumented housekeeper. His hearing, delayed several times, is now scheduled for Thursday.
Republicans are not counting on any Democratic votes for Puzder. So, with a 52-48 majority, they would need to hold at least 50 Republicans, as was the case last week when Vice President Mike Pence was called on to break the tie and advance the confirmation of Betsy DeVos as education secretary.
Murkowski and Collins were the two GOP defections on the DeVos vote, and of the four who have voiced reservations about Puzder are viewed as the most difficult to get back in the fold.
If at least two of the four reluctant Republicans cannot be swayed, McConnell could face the unwelcome task of advising the White House to pull the nomination instead of facing an embarrassing Senate floor defeat. But the sources involved in the urgent lobbying effort, speaking to CNN on condition of anonymity, said the leader viewed this as a test of party unity and his leadership, and was determined to round up the necessary votes.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/13/politics/gop-senators-puzder/index.html What, was Cory Booker's price too high for Mitch? Not sure why they're going after the GOP hold outs on that one instead of trying to flip Manchin + 1. Booker would be a crazy person to take that deal in the current climate. but didn't you know booker is not just a republican, he is a goldman republican
I look forward to the failed attempts to primary him.
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I think it's already been ruled on by SCOTUS as a completely legal transfer of funds in 2014 in the setting of joint committees. That's a big part of why they did so much of it. Doubt we could get any kind of reversal any time soon.
As another note...looks like Facebook's flags are working well enough to detect some fabricated news stories like Trump's order resulting in the capture of an ISIS leader. That's good, at least.
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