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Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-12 02:18:25
February 12 2017 02:15 GMT
#136961
On February 12 2017 11:11 Sermokala wrote:
Bush was special. He was viewed as the product of post cold war neo con that was as deeply as unpopular in his party as outside of it. Everything that could go wrong with a legacy, war, economy, prestige, ideology, we're are at incredible lows. The base had no idea what to do with itself and had no way to oppose anything in the nation with the supermajority in the senate.

Obama was a young lion orator for the ages. His speech at the 2004 convention could bring a diehard republican to his feet. His campaign was a model of next generation technology and traditional campaign strategies. His coalition beyond his race promised demographic domination with trends that could only strengthen it.

All this was thrown away in year when they lost an election to a guy who's main selling point was that he drove a truck.

I'm not sure why you're saying Obama being so great as an orator says anything at all about the Democrats' chances of winning after Obama's two allotted terms.

The right wing of America was super mad about Obamacare, Planned Parenthood, border protection, etc.

EDIT: Furthermore, every 4-12 years (to be a bit generous) the unemployed low-educated people of America are going to be mad at whoever's in power for not fixing their problems, and vote for whoever's not in power. (And yes, that's a broad overgeneralisation, but you see the direction I'm arguing in.)
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 12 2017 02:27 GMT
#136962
On February 12 2017 10:47 Sermokala wrote:
Causation isn't colataltion. History isn't fate. Bush into obama should have created a generation that would never know a lost presidential campaign that rove dreamed of.

But then the dream died and dems forgot how to win anything at all.

i want to respond to this, but i'm unsure what the final sentence of the first paragraph is supposed to mean. i'm also not sure how rove (you mean karl rove, right?) is involved in it.

i'm assuming you meant correlation for the 3rd word.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14208 Posts
February 12 2017 02:27 GMT
#136963
On February 12 2017 11:15 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2017 11:11 Sermokala wrote:
Bush was special. He was viewed as the product of post cold war neo con that was as deeply as unpopular in his party as outside of it. Everything that could go wrong with a legacy, war, economy, prestige, ideology, we're are at incredible lows. The base had no idea what to do with itself and had no way to oppose anything in the nation with the supermajority in the senate.

Obama was a young lion orator for the ages. His speech at the 2004 convention could bring a diehard republican to his feet. His campaign was a model of next generation technology and traditional campaign strategies. His coalition beyond his race promised demographic domination with trends that could only strengthen it.

All this was thrown away in year when they lost an election to a guy who's main selling point was that he drove a truck.

I'm not sure why you're saying Obama being so great as an orator says anything at all about the Democrats' chances of winning after Obama's two allotted terms.

The right wing of America was super mad about Obamacare, Planned Parenthood, border protection, etc.

EDIT: Furthermore, every 4-12 years (to be a bit generous) the unemployed low-educated people of America are going to be mad at whoever's in power for not fixing their problems, and vote for whoever's not in power. (And yes, that's a broad overgeneralisation, but you see the direction I'm arguing in.)

Beacuse it's the stupid inspiring things that matter in democracy. Justin troudou rockyed his way to the Canadian pmship.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
February 12 2017 02:29 GMT
#136964
On February 12 2017 11:27 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2017 11:15 Aquanim wrote:
On February 12 2017 11:11 Sermokala wrote:
Bush was special. He was viewed as the product of post cold war neo con that was as deeply as unpopular in his party as outside of it. Everything that could go wrong with a legacy, war, economy, prestige, ideology, we're are at incredible lows. The base had no idea what to do with itself and had no way to oppose anything in the nation with the supermajority in the senate.

Obama was a young lion orator for the ages. His speech at the 2004 convention could bring a diehard republican to his feet. His campaign was a model of next generation technology and traditional campaign strategies. His coalition beyond his race promised demographic domination with trends that could only strengthen it.

All this was thrown away in year when they lost an election to a guy who's main selling point was that he drove a truck.

I'm not sure why you're saying Obama being so great as an orator says anything at all about the Democrats' chances of winning after Obama's two allotted terms.

The right wing of America was super mad about Obamacare, Planned Parenthood, border protection, etc.

EDIT: Furthermore, every 4-12 years (to be a bit generous) the unemployed low-educated people of America are going to be mad at whoever's in power for not fixing their problems, and vote for whoever's not in power. (And yes, that's a broad overgeneralisation, but you see the direction I'm arguing in.)

Beacuse it's the stupid inspiring things that matter in democracy. Justin troudou rockyed his way to the Canadian pmship.

Sure - but that says nearly nothing about what's going to happen in Canadian politics after Trudeau retires, so this isn't relevant to anything I said.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14208 Posts
February 12 2017 02:33 GMT
#136965
On February 12 2017 11:27 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2017 10:47 Sermokala wrote:
Causation isn't colataltion. History isn't fate. Bush into obama should have created a generation that would never know a lost presidential campaign that rove dreamed of.

But then the dream died and dems forgot how to win anything at all.

i want to respond to this, but i'm unsure what the final sentence of the first paragraph is supposed to mean. i'm also not sure how rove (you mean karl rove, right?) is involved in it.

i'm assuming you meant correlation for the 3rd word.

Yeah sorry auto correct weirded out.

Karl rove declared after Bush's first election that there would now be a generation of Conservativeatism that would know only presidential victory. To be fair to the guy the bush machine was the McLaren f1 of campaign orgs.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14208 Posts
February 12 2017 02:36 GMT
#136966
On February 12 2017 11:29 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2017 11:27 Sermokala wrote:
On February 12 2017 11:15 Aquanim wrote:
On February 12 2017 11:11 Sermokala wrote:
Bush was special. He was viewed as the product of post cold war neo con that was as deeply as unpopular in his party as outside of it. Everything that could go wrong with a legacy, war, economy, prestige, ideology, we're are at incredible lows. The base had no idea what to do with itself and had no way to oppose anything in the nation with the supermajority in the senate.

Obama was a young lion orator for the ages. His speech at the 2004 convention could bring a diehard republican to his feet. His campaign was a model of next generation technology and traditional campaign strategies. His coalition beyond his race promised demographic domination with trends that could only strengthen it.

All this was thrown away in year when they lost an election to a guy who's main selling point was that he drove a truck.

I'm not sure why you're saying Obama being so great as an orator says anything at all about the Democrats' chances of winning after Obama's two allotted terms.

The right wing of America was super mad about Obamacare, Planned Parenthood, border protection, etc.

EDIT: Furthermore, every 4-12 years (to be a bit generous) the unemployed low-educated people of America are going to be mad at whoever's in power for not fixing their problems, and vote for whoever's not in power. (And yes, that's a broad overgeneralisation, but you see the direction I'm arguing in.)

Beacuse it's the stupid inspiring things that matter in democracy. Justin troudou rockyed his way to the Canadian pmship.

Sure - but that says nearly nothing about what's going to happen in Canadian politics after Trudeau retires, so this isn't relevant to anything I said.

You miss the point completely. A guy making a great speech or being a national military hero or organizing a public political visibility that the nation rallies behind is and has always been a route to power be it a speech at the convention or challenging a political rival to a charity boxing match and taking it seriously.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
February 12 2017 02:40 GMT
#136967
On February 12 2017 11:36 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2017 11:29 Aquanim wrote:
On February 12 2017 11:27 Sermokala wrote:
On February 12 2017 11:15 Aquanim wrote:
On February 12 2017 11:11 Sermokala wrote:
Bush was special. He was viewed as the product of post cold war neo con that was as deeply as unpopular in his party as outside of it. Everything that could go wrong with a legacy, war, economy, prestige, ideology, we're are at incredible lows. The base had no idea what to do with itself and had no way to oppose anything in the nation with the supermajority in the senate.

Obama was a young lion orator for the ages. His speech at the 2004 convention could bring a diehard republican to his feet. His campaign was a model of next generation technology and traditional campaign strategies. His coalition beyond his race promised demographic domination with trends that could only strengthen it.

All this was thrown away in year when they lost an election to a guy who's main selling point was that he drove a truck.

I'm not sure why you're saying Obama being so great as an orator says anything at all about the Democrats' chances of winning after Obama's two allotted terms.

The right wing of America was super mad about Obamacare, Planned Parenthood, border protection, etc.

EDIT: Furthermore, every 4-12 years (to be a bit generous) the unemployed low-educated people of America are going to be mad at whoever's in power for not fixing their problems, and vote for whoever's not in power. (And yes, that's a broad overgeneralisation, but you see the direction I'm arguing in.)

Beacuse it's the stupid inspiring things that matter in democracy. Justin troudou rockyed his way to the Canadian pmship.

Sure - but that says nearly nothing about what's going to happen in Canadian politics after Trudeau retires, so this isn't relevant to anything I said.

You miss the point completely. A guy making a great speech or being a national military hero or organizing a public political visibility that the nation rallies behind is and has always been a route to power be it a speech at the convention or challenging a political rival to a charity boxing match and taking it seriously.

I'm not sure why you think this is relevant to anything I said at all.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 12 2017 02:48 GMT
#136968
On February 12 2017 11:33 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2017 11:27 zlefin wrote:
On February 12 2017 10:47 Sermokala wrote:
Causation isn't colataltion. History isn't fate. Bush into obama should have created a generation that would never know a lost presidential campaign that rove dreamed of.

But then the dream died and dems forgot how to win anything at all.

i want to respond to this, but i'm unsure what the final sentence of the first paragraph is supposed to mean. i'm also not sure how rove (you mean karl rove, right?) is involved in it.

i'm assuming you meant correlation for the 3rd word.

Yeah sorry auto correct weirded out.

Karl rove declared after Bush's first election that there would now be a generation of Conservativeatism that would know only presidential victory. To be fair to the guy the bush machine was the McLaren f1 of campaign orgs.

well, karl rove declared sillilly, and in contradiction to the wide amount of historical data that exists.
or he was just being rhetorical.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
February 12 2017 03:09 GMT
#136969
On February 12 2017 11:48 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2017 11:33 Sermokala wrote:
On February 12 2017 11:27 zlefin wrote:
On February 12 2017 10:47 Sermokala wrote:
Causation isn't colataltion. History isn't fate. Bush into obama should have created a generation that would never know a lost presidential campaign that rove dreamed of.

But then the dream died and dems forgot how to win anything at all.

i want to respond to this, but i'm unsure what the final sentence of the first paragraph is supposed to mean. i'm also not sure how rove (you mean karl rove, right?) is involved in it.

i'm assuming you meant correlation for the 3rd word.

Yeah sorry auto correct weirded out.

Karl rove declared after Bush's first election that there would now be a generation of Conservativeatism that would know only presidential victory. To be fair to the guy the bush machine was the McLaren f1 of campaign orgs.

well, karl rove declared sillilly, and in contradiction to the wide amount of historical data that exists.
or he was just being rhetorical.

Rove's declaration seems about as silly to me as declaring that Obama or Trump's victory should have or will usher in dominance for their respective parties.

The Democrats are in disarray now - but given that they just lost an election, that's not a good predictor for their performance in elections years from now.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 12 2017 03:12 GMT
#136970
A short while ago, we predicted that the Republicans were in for a dark period of troubled times.

Then Hillary Clinton came on the scene and reversed the trend with her horrendous candidacy.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-12 03:20:14
February 12 2017 03:19 GMT
#136971
On February 12 2017 12:12 LegalLord wrote:
A short while ago, we predicted that the Republicans were in for a dark period of troubled times.

Then Hillary Clinton came on the scene and reversed the trend with her horrendous candidacy.

That's my point though - I don't think that's a fair characterisation. Pretty much every prediction I've seen in modern politics that a party was in for "a dark period of troubled times" has turned out to be complete hogwash inside five years, and generally far less. No matter who they put up I am pretty sure the Democrats were almost certain to lose in either 2016 or at the outside 2020 - the pendulum always swings.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
February 12 2017 03:26 GMT
#136972
so apparently the Republican response to angry town halls is to blame George Soros and claim that everyone there is being paid and bussed in from out of state.
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-12 03:29:05
February 12 2017 03:27 GMT
#136973
On February 12 2017 12:19 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2017 12:12 LegalLord wrote:
A short while ago, we predicted that the Republicans were in for a dark period of troubled times.

Then Hillary Clinton came on the scene and reversed the trend with her horrendous candidacy.

That's my point though - I don't think that's a fair characterisation. Pretty much every prediction I've seen in modern politics that a party was in for "a dark period of troubled times" has turned out to be complete hogwash inside five years, and generally far less. No matter who they put up I am pretty sure the Democrats were almost certain to lose in either 2016 or at the outside 2020 - the pendulum always swings.

indeed, such things seem to be more sensationalism than anything, and are quite overblown.

in fairness, the republicans are sort of in a period of dark and troubled times, not in terms of losing elections, but in terms of party identity
and control (and possibly higher than normal turnover in who gets elected?). more like undergoing a painful metamorphosis.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11988 Posts
February 12 2017 03:44 GMT
#136974
On February 12 2017 12:26 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
so apparently the Republican response to angry town halls is to blame George Soros and claim that everyone there is being paid and bussed in from out of state.


George Soros is basically a one-person illuminati. He does all the things, and is fundamentally at fault for everything.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5029 Posts
February 12 2017 03:59 GMT
#136975
On February 12 2017 12:44 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2017 12:26 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
so apparently the Republican response to angry town halls is to blame George Soros and claim that everyone there is being paid and bussed in from out of state.


George Soros is basically a one-person illuminati. He does all the things, and is fundamentally at fault for everything.


Like the Koch brothers!

But Democrats have a rich history of busing people around from out of town, so it wouldn't be a surprise that a good number aren't exactly protesting in their own districts.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
February 12 2017 04:11 GMT
#136976
On February 12 2017 12:59 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2017 12:44 Simberto wrote:
On February 12 2017 12:26 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
so apparently the Republican response to angry town halls is to blame George Soros and claim that everyone there is being paid and bussed in from out of state.


George Soros is basically a one-person illuminati. He does all the things, and is fundamentally at fault for everything.


Like the Koch brothers!

But Democrats have a rich history of busing people around from out of town, so it wouldn't be a surprise that a good number aren't exactly protesting in their own districts.

With how gerrymandering works, are buses really necessary to get between districts?

(Not entirely clear on how town halls work so potentially this joke makes no sense, pre-emptive apologies)
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14208 Posts
February 12 2017 04:38 GMT
#136977
On February 12 2017 11:40 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2017 11:36 Sermokala wrote:
On February 12 2017 11:29 Aquanim wrote:
On February 12 2017 11:27 Sermokala wrote:
On February 12 2017 11:15 Aquanim wrote:
On February 12 2017 11:11 Sermokala wrote:
Bush was special. He was viewed as the product of post cold war neo con that was as deeply as unpopular in his party as outside of it. Everything that could go wrong with a legacy, war, economy, prestige, ideology, we're are at incredible lows. The base had no idea what to do with itself and had no way to oppose anything in the nation with the supermajority in the senate.

Obama was a young lion orator for the ages. His speech at the 2004 convention could bring a diehard republican to his feet. His campaign was a model of next generation technology and traditional campaign strategies. His coalition beyond his race promised demographic domination with trends that could only strengthen it.

All this was thrown away in year when they lost an election to a guy who's main selling point was that he drove a truck.

I'm not sure why you're saying Obama being so great as an orator says anything at all about the Democrats' chances of winning after Obama's two allotted terms.

The right wing of America was super mad about Obamacare, Planned Parenthood, border protection, etc.

EDIT: Furthermore, every 4-12 years (to be a bit generous) the unemployed low-educated people of America are going to be mad at whoever's in power for not fixing their problems, and vote for whoever's not in power. (And yes, that's a broad overgeneralisation, but you see the direction I'm arguing in.)

Beacuse it's the stupid inspiring things that matter in democracy. Justin troudou rockyed his way to the Canadian pmship.

Sure - but that says nearly nothing about what's going to happen in Canadian politics after Trudeau retires, so this isn't relevant to anything I said.

You miss the point completely. A guy making a great speech or being a national military hero or organizing a public political visibility that the nation rallies behind is and has always been a route to power be it a speech at the convention or challenging a political rival to a charity boxing match and taking it seriously.

I'm not sure why you think this is relevant to anything I said at all.

I'm not sure how it's somehow not to you. It's about how the situation was. Obama being an good speech means he's useful far after he's put to pasture. In america presidents who are popular get drawn out every cycle to support the canidate. A sucsessful obama can take a vacation in Florida reliving his glory on the campaigns dime. Dems secure Florida like cali and new York and end the republican national ambitions for a generation.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5029 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-12 04:42:23
February 12 2017 04:40 GMT
#136978
On February 12 2017 13:11 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2017 12:59 Introvert wrote:
On February 12 2017 12:44 Simberto wrote:
On February 12 2017 12:26 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
so apparently the Republican response to angry town halls is to blame George Soros and claim that everyone there is being paid and bussed in from out of state.


George Soros is basically a one-person illuminati. He does all the things, and is fundamentally at fault for everything.


Like the Koch brothers!

But Democrats have a rich history of busing people around from out of town, so it wouldn't be a surprise that a good number aren't exactly protesting in their own districts.

With how gerrymandering works, are buses really necessary to get between districts?

(Not entirely clear on how town halls work so potentially this joke makes no sense, pre-emptive apologies)


lol

town halls are when representatives go a local government center (usually) to take questions from constituents. There were A LOT in 2009/2010 before the Tea Party wave.

but in all seriousness, district size varies a lot since they are determined by population. My only semi tongue in cheek comment is based on the fact that busing people into to places is a relatively common practice on the left.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
February 12 2017 04:41 GMT
#136979
On February 12 2017 13:38 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2017 11:40 Aquanim wrote:
On February 12 2017 11:36 Sermokala wrote:
On February 12 2017 11:29 Aquanim wrote:
On February 12 2017 11:27 Sermokala wrote:
On February 12 2017 11:15 Aquanim wrote:
On February 12 2017 11:11 Sermokala wrote:
Bush was special. He was viewed as the product of post cold war neo con that was as deeply as unpopular in his party as outside of it. Everything that could go wrong with a legacy, war, economy, prestige, ideology, we're are at incredible lows. The base had no idea what to do with itself and had no way to oppose anything in the nation with the supermajority in the senate.

Obama was a young lion orator for the ages. His speech at the 2004 convention could bring a diehard republican to his feet. His campaign was a model of next generation technology and traditional campaign strategies. His coalition beyond his race promised demographic domination with trends that could only strengthen it.

All this was thrown away in year when they lost an election to a guy who's main selling point was that he drove a truck.

I'm not sure why you're saying Obama being so great as an orator says anything at all about the Democrats' chances of winning after Obama's two allotted terms.

The right wing of America was super mad about Obamacare, Planned Parenthood, border protection, etc.

EDIT: Furthermore, every 4-12 years (to be a bit generous) the unemployed low-educated people of America are going to be mad at whoever's in power for not fixing their problems, and vote for whoever's not in power. (And yes, that's a broad overgeneralisation, but you see the direction I'm arguing in.)

Beacuse it's the stupid inspiring things that matter in democracy. Justin troudou rockyed his way to the Canadian pmship.

Sure - but that says nearly nothing about what's going to happen in Canadian politics after Trudeau retires, so this isn't relevant to anything I said.

You miss the point completely. A guy making a great speech or being a national military hero or organizing a public political visibility that the nation rallies behind is and has always been a route to power be it a speech at the convention or challenging a political rival to a charity boxing match and taking it seriously.

I'm not sure why you think this is relevant to anything I said at all.

I'm not sure how it's somehow not to you. It's about how the situation was. Obama being an good speech means he's useful far after he's put to pasture. In america presidents who are popular get drawn out every cycle to support the canidate. A sucsessful obama can take a vacation in Florida reliving his glory on the campaigns dime. Dems secure Florida like cali and new York and end the republican national ambitions for a generation.

And yet that's not what actually happened, is it?

"Ending a party's national ambitions for a generation" doesn't actually happen in modern politics, no matter how much it might look like that's going to happen if your vision only extends to the outcome of the immediately previous election.

The pendulum always swings.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 12 2017 04:46 GMT
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Even Billy Clinton, with his substantial oratory prowess, couldn't make HRC look like a good candidate when campaigning for her.

With a passably good candidate, the support of both Bill and Obama will be a strong boost to the 2020 runner. Whereas Trump probably has half the Republican leadership hating him.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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