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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
January 31 2017 23:33 GMT
#134421
On February 01 2017 08:27 xDaunt wrote:
Despite all of the hysterics from the Left, I think that Trump's winning on this executive order:

Show nested quote +
Americans are sharply divided over President Donald Trump's order to temporarily block U.S. entry for all refugees and citizens of seven Muslim countries, with slightly more approving the measure than disapproving, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll released on Tuesday.

The Jan. 30-31 poll found that 49 percent of American adults said they either "strongly" or "somewhat" agreed with Trump's order, while 41 percent "strongly" or "somewhat" disagreed and another 10 percent said they don't know.

But the responses were split almost entirely along party lines. Some 53 percent of Democrats said they "strongly disagree" with Trump's action while 51 percent of Republicans said they "strongly agree."

Trump's executive order banned refugees from entering the United States for 120 days, and it placed an indefinite hold on Syrian refugees. It also blocked citizens from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.


From Reuters.

did that article have a link to the underlying poll?
I couldn't find one.

at any rate, it means very little. people didn't look carefully at the order and then decide whether to support it or not; it's basically a party-line vote; all it really measures is what party people are from and a bit how they feel about immigration.
it says very little about whether it was actually a good measure or not.

just a good demonstrator of partisan bias really.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-31 23:40:21
January 31 2017 23:39 GMT
#134422
On February 01 2017 08:33 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2017 08:27 xDaunt wrote:
Despite all of the hysterics from the Left, I think that Trump's winning on this executive order:

Americans are sharply divided over President Donald Trump's order to temporarily block U.S. entry for all refugees and citizens of seven Muslim countries, with slightly more approving the measure than disapproving, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll released on Tuesday.

The Jan. 30-31 poll found that 49 percent of American adults said they either "strongly" or "somewhat" agreed with Trump's order, while 41 percent "strongly" or "somewhat" disagreed and another 10 percent said they don't know.

But the responses were split almost entirely along party lines. Some 53 percent of Democrats said they "strongly disagree" with Trump's action while 51 percent of Republicans said they "strongly agree."

Trump's executive order banned refugees from entering the United States for 120 days, and it placed an indefinite hold on Syrian refugees. It also blocked citizens from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.


From Reuters.

did that article have a link to the underlying poll?
I couldn't find one.

at any rate, it means very little. people didn't look carefully at the order and then decide whether to support it or not;

This is ridiculously presumptuous. Basically you're saying "I don't agree with those people, so they're clearly idiots." Feel free to offer an alternative justification. Surely you can up with at least one legitimate reason as to why people would favor the order.

it's basically a party-line vote; all it really measures is what party people are from and a bit how they feel about immigration.


This is hilarious. There's an 8-point differential between those who are for it and those who are against (leaving out the undecideds). An 8-point differential is a landslide margin in an election.

it says very little about whether it was actually a good measure or not.

just a good demonstrator of partisan bias really.


Again, this is just you being presumptuous. Feel free to provide some justification for this.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
January 31 2017 23:43 GMT
#134423
justification: the vast amounts of findings in achen and bartel's book that documents how people actually vote on things. and numerous other political science findings.
the unlikelihood that most people actually have a decent factual understanding of the current immigration system, and what trump's action did, to form a basis for comparison.

the highly partisan outcome, which is again indicative of people simply voting for whatever their side endorses, rather than independently looking at the issue.

also, most people ARE idiots. that's just fact.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
January 31 2017 23:44 GMT
#134424
On February 01 2017 08:39 xDaunt wrote:...
This is ridiculously presumptuous. Basically you're saying "I don't agree with those people, so they're clearly idiots."
...

If you're going to make this argument, it would behoove you to refer to the big bad "Left" less often.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46629 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-31 23:47:25
January 31 2017 23:45 GMT
#134425
On February 01 2017 08:39 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2017 08:33 zlefin wrote:
On February 01 2017 08:27 xDaunt wrote:
Despite all of the hysterics from the Left, I think that Trump's winning on this executive order:

Americans are sharply divided over President Donald Trump's order to temporarily block U.S. entry for all refugees and citizens of seven Muslim countries, with slightly more approving the measure than disapproving, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll released on Tuesday.

The Jan. 30-31 poll found that 49 percent of American adults said they either "strongly" or "somewhat" agreed with Trump's order, while 41 percent "strongly" or "somewhat" disagreed and another 10 percent said they don't know.

But the responses were split almost entirely along party lines. Some 53 percent of Democrats said they "strongly disagree" with Trump's action while 51 percent of Republicans said they "strongly agree."

Trump's executive order banned refugees from entering the United States for 120 days, and it placed an indefinite hold on Syrian refugees. It also blocked citizens from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.


From Reuters.

did that article have a link to the underlying poll?
I couldn't find one.

at any rate, it means very little. people didn't look carefully at the order and then decide whether to support it or not;

This is ridiculously presumptuous. Basically you're saying "I don't agree with those people, so they're clearly idiots." Feel free to offer an alternative justification. Surely you can up with at least one legitimate reason as to why people would favor the order.

Show nested quote +
it's basically a party-line vote; all it really measures is what party people are from and a bit how they feel about immigration.


This is hilarious. There's an 8-point differential between those who are for it and those who are against (leaving out the undecideds). An 8-point differential is a landslide margin in an election.

Show nested quote +
it says very little about whether it was actually a good measure or not.

just a good demonstrator of partisan bias really.


Again, this is just you being presumptuous. Feel free to provide some justification for this.


zlefin said that it was basically a party-line vote, which is exactly what your article said: "But the responses were split almost entirely along party lines." I don't see why you think zlefin is so crazy.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 31 2017 23:47 GMT
#134426
On February 01 2017 08:44 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2017 08:39 xDaunt wrote:...
This is ridiculously presumptuous. Basically you're saying "I don't agree with those people, so they're clearly idiots."
...

If you're going to make this argument, it would behoove you to refer to the big bad "Left" less often.

I use "the Left" as a description for the political opposition to my side ("the Right"). There's no further judgment associated with the tag in either my usage of it or others' usage, but I find it interesting that you think that there is one.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-31 23:48:41
January 31 2017 23:47 GMT
#134427
On February 01 2017 08:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2017 08:39 xDaunt wrote:
On February 01 2017 08:33 zlefin wrote:
On February 01 2017 08:27 xDaunt wrote:
Despite all of the hysterics from the Left, I think that Trump's winning on this executive order:

Americans are sharply divided over President Donald Trump's order to temporarily block U.S. entry for all refugees and citizens of seven Muslim countries, with slightly more approving the measure than disapproving, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll released on Tuesday.

The Jan. 30-31 poll found that 49 percent of American adults said they either "strongly" or "somewhat" agreed with Trump's order, while 41 percent "strongly" or "somewhat" disagreed and another 10 percent said they don't know.

But the responses were split almost entirely along party lines. Some 53 percent of Democrats said they "strongly disagree" with Trump's action while 51 percent of Republicans said they "strongly agree."

Trump's executive order banned refugees from entering the United States for 120 days, and it placed an indefinite hold on Syrian refugees. It also blocked citizens from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.


From Reuters.

did that article have a link to the underlying poll?
I couldn't find one.

at any rate, it means very little. people didn't look carefully at the order and then decide whether to support it or not;

This is ridiculously presumptuous. Basically you're saying "I don't agree with those people, so they're clearly idiots." Feel free to offer an alternative justification. Surely you can up with at least one legitimate reason as to why people would favor the order.

it's basically a party-line vote; all it really measures is what party people are from and a bit how they feel about immigration.


This is hilarious. There's an 8-point differential between those who are for it and those who are against (leaving out the undecideds). An 8-point differential is a landslide margin in an election.

it says very little about whether it was actually a good measure or not.

just a good demonstrator of partisan bias really.


Again, this is just you being presumptuous. Feel free to provide some justification for this.


zlefin said that it was basically a party-line vote, which is exactly what your article said: "But the responses were split almost entirely along party lines." I don't see why you think zlefin is so crazy.

Because an 8-point differential isn't "strict party lines" (despite Reuters best efforts to spin it as such).
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
January 31 2017 23:50 GMT
#134428
On February 01 2017 08:47 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2017 08:44 Aquanim wrote:
On February 01 2017 08:39 xDaunt wrote:...
This is ridiculously presumptuous. Basically you're saying "I don't agree with those people, so they're clearly idiots."
...

If you're going to make this argument, it would behoove you to refer to the big bad "Left" less often.

I use "the Left" as a description for the political opposition to my side ("the Right"). There's no further judgment associated with the tag in either my usage of it or others' usage, but I find it interesting that you think that there is one.

Your assertion of that, together with a very thinly veiled accusation that it's all in my head, doesn't make it true... nor is it likely to convince anybody that it's true.

Rather the opposite, actually.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
January 31 2017 23:50 GMT
#134429
On February 01 2017 08:47 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2017 08:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On February 01 2017 08:39 xDaunt wrote:
On February 01 2017 08:33 zlefin wrote:
On February 01 2017 08:27 xDaunt wrote:
Despite all of the hysterics from the Left, I think that Trump's winning on this executive order:

Americans are sharply divided over President Donald Trump's order to temporarily block U.S. entry for all refugees and citizens of seven Muslim countries, with slightly more approving the measure than disapproving, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll released on Tuesday.

The Jan. 30-31 poll found that 49 percent of American adults said they either "strongly" or "somewhat" agreed with Trump's order, while 41 percent "strongly" or "somewhat" disagreed and another 10 percent said they don't know.

But the responses were split almost entirely along party lines. Some 53 percent of Democrats said they "strongly disagree" with Trump's action while 51 percent of Republicans said they "strongly agree."

Trump's executive order banned refugees from entering the United States for 120 days, and it placed an indefinite hold on Syrian refugees. It also blocked citizens from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.


From Reuters.

did that article have a link to the underlying poll?
I couldn't find one.

at any rate, it means very little. people didn't look carefully at the order and then decide whether to support it or not;

This is ridiculously presumptuous. Basically you're saying "I don't agree with those people, so they're clearly idiots." Feel free to offer an alternative justification. Surely you can up with at least one legitimate reason as to why people would favor the order.

it's basically a party-line vote; all it really measures is what party people are from and a bit how they feel about immigration.


This is hilarious. There's an 8-point differential between those who are for it and those who are against (leaving out the undecideds). An 8-point differential is a landslide margin in an election.

it says very little about whether it was actually a good measure or not.

just a good demonstrator of partisan bias really.


Again, this is just you being presumptuous. Feel free to provide some justification for this.


zlefin said that it was basically a party-line vote, which is exactly what your article said: "But the responses were split almost entirely along party lines." I don't see why you think zlefin is so crazy.

Because an 8-point differential isn't "strict party lines" (despite Reuters best efforts to spin it as such).

yo'ure ignoring the part where I also said: "how they feel about immigration"
plus the part where the article didn't link to the underlying poll so I couldn't overview its methodology, for all sorts of thigns which could have affected the results.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46629 Posts
January 31 2017 23:53 GMT
#134430
On February 01 2017 08:47 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2017 08:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On February 01 2017 08:39 xDaunt wrote:
On February 01 2017 08:33 zlefin wrote:
On February 01 2017 08:27 xDaunt wrote:
Despite all of the hysterics from the Left, I think that Trump's winning on this executive order:

Americans are sharply divided over President Donald Trump's order to temporarily block U.S. entry for all refugees and citizens of seven Muslim countries, with slightly more approving the measure than disapproving, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll released on Tuesday.

The Jan. 30-31 poll found that 49 percent of American adults said they either "strongly" or "somewhat" agreed with Trump's order, while 41 percent "strongly" or "somewhat" disagreed and another 10 percent said they don't know.

But the responses were split almost entirely along party lines. Some 53 percent of Democrats said they "strongly disagree" with Trump's action while 51 percent of Republicans said they "strongly agree."

Trump's executive order banned refugees from entering the United States for 120 days, and it placed an indefinite hold on Syrian refugees. It also blocked citizens from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.


From Reuters.

did that article have a link to the underlying poll?
I couldn't find one.

at any rate, it means very little. people didn't look carefully at the order and then decide whether to support it or not;

This is ridiculously presumptuous. Basically you're saying "I don't agree with those people, so they're clearly idiots." Feel free to offer an alternative justification. Surely you can up with at least one legitimate reason as to why people would favor the order.

it's basically a party-line vote; all it really measures is what party people are from and a bit how they feel about immigration.


This is hilarious. There's an 8-point differential between those who are for it and those who are against (leaving out the undecideds). An 8-point differential is a landslide margin in an election.

it says very little about whether it was actually a good measure or not.

just a good demonstrator of partisan bias really.


Again, this is just you being presumptuous. Feel free to provide some justification for this.


zlefin said that it was basically a party-line vote, which is exactly what your article said: "But the responses were split almost entirely along party lines." I don't see why you think zlefin is so crazy.

Because an 8-point differential isn't "strict party lines" (despite Reuters best efforts to spin it as such).


So you're saying that a Reuters poll is perfectly accurate but then saying that their analysis isn't, despite the fact that we can't actually read the original poll and look at all the questions asked and responses given?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 31 2017 23:54 GMT
#134431
On February 01 2017 08:50 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2017 08:47 xDaunt wrote:
On February 01 2017 08:44 Aquanim wrote:
On February 01 2017 08:39 xDaunt wrote:...
This is ridiculously presumptuous. Basically you're saying "I don't agree with those people, so they're clearly idiots."
...

If you're going to make this argument, it would behoove you to refer to the big bad "Left" less often.

I use "the Left" as a description for the political opposition to my side ("the Right"). There's no further judgment associated with the tag in either my usage of it or others' usage, but I find it interesting that you think that there is one.

Your assertion of that, together with a very thinly veiled accusation that it's all in my head, doesn't make it true... nor is it likely to convince anybody that it's true.

Rather the opposite, actually.

Would you rather I use "Liberal?" Because I've also been told that Liberal is a pejorative term. How about this. Why don't you tell me what you self-identify as and we'll see if that's a better term to use.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-31 23:56:37
January 31 2017 23:54 GMT
#134432
Lol reporting is both justices are at the WH because "trump likes a contest". This reminds me of the joker in dark knight having those two prospective members fight to the death over one position
Question.?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-31 23:56:16
January 31 2017 23:55 GMT
#134433
On February 01 2017 08:54 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2017 08:50 Aquanim wrote:
On February 01 2017 08:47 xDaunt wrote:
On February 01 2017 08:44 Aquanim wrote:
On February 01 2017 08:39 xDaunt wrote:...
This is ridiculously presumptuous. Basically you're saying "I don't agree with those people, so they're clearly idiots."
...

If you're going to make this argument, it would behoove you to refer to the big bad "Left" less often.

I use "the Left" as a description for the political opposition to my side ("the Right"). There's no further judgment associated with the tag in either my usage of it or others' usage, but I find it interesting that you think that there is one.

Your assertion of that, together with a very thinly veiled accusation that it's all in my head, doesn't make it true... nor is it likely to convince anybody that it's true.

Rather the opposite, actually.

Would you rather I use "Liberal?" Because I've also been told that Liberal is a pejorative term. How about this. Why don't you tell me what you self-identify as and we'll see if that's a better term to use.

I don't care what term you use, I'm observing that you use "Left" as a perjorative, and unless you modify yourself I expect whatever term you use to represent a related concept is going to get used as a perjorative.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22677 Posts
January 31 2017 23:58 GMT
#134434
On February 01 2017 08:54 biology]major wrote:
Lol reporting is both justices are at the WH because "trump likes a contest". This reminds me of the joker in dark knight having those two prospective members fight to the death over one position

God I hope whoever gets picked tells him to get lots right after the nomination.

He knows he has 0 power over them right? They can promise him the world and not deliver on a thing.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 31 2017 23:58 GMT
#134435
On February 01 2017 08:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2017 08:47 xDaunt wrote:
On February 01 2017 08:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On February 01 2017 08:39 xDaunt wrote:
On February 01 2017 08:33 zlefin wrote:
On February 01 2017 08:27 xDaunt wrote:
Despite all of the hysterics from the Left, I think that Trump's winning on this executive order:

Americans are sharply divided over President Donald Trump's order to temporarily block U.S. entry for all refugees and citizens of seven Muslim countries, with slightly more approving the measure than disapproving, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll released on Tuesday.

The Jan. 30-31 poll found that 49 percent of American adults said they either "strongly" or "somewhat" agreed with Trump's order, while 41 percent "strongly" or "somewhat" disagreed and another 10 percent said they don't know.

But the responses were split almost entirely along party lines. Some 53 percent of Democrats said they "strongly disagree" with Trump's action while 51 percent of Republicans said they "strongly agree."

Trump's executive order banned refugees from entering the United States for 120 days, and it placed an indefinite hold on Syrian refugees. It also blocked citizens from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.


From Reuters.

did that article have a link to the underlying poll?
I couldn't find one.

at any rate, it means very little. people didn't look carefully at the order and then decide whether to support it or not;

This is ridiculously presumptuous. Basically you're saying "I don't agree with those people, so they're clearly idiots." Feel free to offer an alternative justification. Surely you can up with at least one legitimate reason as to why people would favor the order.

it's basically a party-line vote; all it really measures is what party people are from and a bit how they feel about immigration.


This is hilarious. There's an 8-point differential between those who are for it and those who are against (leaving out the undecideds). An 8-point differential is a landslide margin in an election.

it says very little about whether it was actually a good measure or not.

just a good demonstrator of partisan bias really.


Again, this is just you being presumptuous. Feel free to provide some justification for this.


zlefin said that it was basically a party-line vote, which is exactly what your article said: "But the responses were split almost entirely along party lines." I don't see why you think zlefin is so crazy.

Because an 8-point differential isn't "strict party lines" (despite Reuters best efforts to spin it as such).


So you're saying that a Reuters poll is perfectly accurate but then saying that their analysis isn't, despite the fact that we can't actually read the original poll and look at all the questions asked and responses given?

I'm not saying that the numbers are accurate. In fact, if we're to look at the Rasmussen Poll that was done last week (showing 57% support for a travel ban on the seven countries that were the subject of Trump's order) or consider that there may be 3-5% under-reporting of support for the ban for the same reasons that all of the pollsters whiffed on Trump's support in the election, it could be that there's more than 50% support for Trump's executive order. However, for our immediate purposes, I'm just taking the numbers at face value, and then laughing at Reuter's hilariously biased commentary on its poll.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-01 00:09:38
February 01 2017 00:03 GMT
#134436
On February 01 2017 08:55 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2017 08:54 xDaunt wrote:
On February 01 2017 08:50 Aquanim wrote:
On February 01 2017 08:47 xDaunt wrote:
On February 01 2017 08:44 Aquanim wrote:
On February 01 2017 08:39 xDaunt wrote:...
This is ridiculously presumptuous. Basically you're saying "I don't agree with those people, so they're clearly idiots."
...

If you're going to make this argument, it would behoove you to refer to the big bad "Left" less often.

I use "the Left" as a description for the political opposition to my side ("the Right"). There's no further judgment associated with the tag in either my usage of it or others' usage, but I find it interesting that you think that there is one.

Your assertion of that, together with a very thinly veiled accusation that it's all in my head, doesn't make it true... nor is it likely to convince anybody that it's true.

Rather the opposite, actually.

Would you rather I use "Liberal?" Because I've also been told that Liberal is a pejorative term. How about this. Why don't you tell me what you self-identify as and we'll see if that's a better term to use.

I don't care what term you use, I'm observing that you use "Left" as a perjorative, and unless you modify yourself I expect whatever term you use to represent a related concept is going to get used as a perjorative.

See, I'm interpreting what you're saying as "xDaunt must be using 'the Left' as a pejorative term because whenever he uses the term, he is expressing some form of disagreement with, or attack on, the Left." If I relentlessly criticized ostriches in this thread, would you say that I was using the term "ostrich" as a pejorative? In my world, things are what they are. My usage of the Left is merely a label.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
February 01 2017 00:05 GMT
#134437
On February 01 2017 08:27 xDaunt wrote:
Despite all of the hysterics from the Left, I think that Trump's winning on this executive order:

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Americans are sharply divided over President Donald Trump's order to temporarily block U.S. entry for all refugees and citizens of seven Muslim countries, with slightly more approving the measure than disapproving, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll released on Tuesday.

The Jan. 30-31 poll found that 49 percent of American adults said they either "strongly" or "somewhat" agreed with Trump's order, while 41 percent "strongly" or "somewhat" disagreed and another 10 percent said they don't know.

But the responses were split almost entirely along party lines. Some 53 percent of Democrats said they "strongly disagree" with Trump's action while 51 percent of Republicans said they "strongly agree."

Trump's executive order banned refugees from entering the United States for 120 days, and it placed an indefinite hold on Syrian refugees. It also blocked citizens from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.


From Reuters.

If he's polling close to 50% on this it's a win. The wild responses have been hoping for the "everybody knows only a xenophobe would do that" with 66%+ oppose/80%+ oppose from opposite party. If America's torn, it's election politics round 2: everybody is still sharply divided on how to treat immigration and the terrorist threat.

Hell, if we can't get basic true commentary, we're still in post-factual nonsense from the left. America started divided, stayed divided on this issue, ho hum Trump's plodding along.

If, however, he had made a grandiose Kumbaya speech about the first week of his presidency bringing unity, you would have room to say the results of this poll show Trump is completely failing to change minds and unite.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 01 2017 00:08 GMT
#134438
On February 01 2017 09:05 Danglars wrote:
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On February 01 2017 08:27 xDaunt wrote:
Despite all of the hysterics from the Left, I think that Trump's winning on this executive order:

Americans are sharply divided over President Donald Trump's order to temporarily block U.S. entry for all refugees and citizens of seven Muslim countries, with slightly more approving the measure than disapproving, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll released on Tuesday.

The Jan. 30-31 poll found that 49 percent of American adults said they either "strongly" or "somewhat" agreed with Trump's order, while 41 percent "strongly" or "somewhat" disagreed and another 10 percent said they don't know.

But the responses were split almost entirely along party lines. Some 53 percent of Democrats said they "strongly disagree" with Trump's action while 51 percent of Republicans said they "strongly agree."

Trump's executive order banned refugees from entering the United States for 120 days, and it placed an indefinite hold on Syrian refugees. It also blocked citizens from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.


From Reuters.

If he's polling close to 50% on this it's a win. The wild responses have been hoping for the "everybody knows only a xenophobe would do that" with 66%+ oppose/80%+ oppose from opposite party. If America's torn, it's election politics round 2: everybody is still sharply divided on how to treat immigration and the terrorist threat.

Hell, if we can't get basic true commentary, we're still in post-factual nonsense from the left. America started divided, stayed divided on this issue, ho hum Trump's plodding along.

If, however, he had made a grandiose Kumbaya speech about the first week of his presidency bringing unity, you would have room to say the results of this poll show Trump is completely failing to change minds and unite.

I am surprised that Trump has been as combative as he has been. I thought that he would be a little more conciliatory after winning. Instead, he has decided to attack the Left on all fronts. Far be it from me to say whether this is a good idea, but it sure is amusing as hell.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 01 2017 00:10 GMT
#134439
if trump wasn't compromised by global kleptocracy i'd give him more of a chance.

here's something he could do.

make some very public threats about pulling out of nafta/sanction china. this would get companies whose supply chains are at risk to spend some money investing in backup solutions.

let's say, have a 6 month notice.
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Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
February 01 2017 00:11 GMT
#134440
On February 01 2017 09:03 xDaunt wrote:
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On February 01 2017 08:55 Aquanim wrote:
On February 01 2017 08:54 xDaunt wrote:
On February 01 2017 08:50 Aquanim wrote:
On February 01 2017 08:47 xDaunt wrote:
On February 01 2017 08:44 Aquanim wrote:
On February 01 2017 08:39 xDaunt wrote:...
This is ridiculously presumptuous. Basically you're saying "I don't agree with those people, so they're clearly idiots."
...

If you're going to make this argument, it would behoove you to refer to the big bad "Left" less often.

I use "the Left" as a description for the political opposition to my side ("the Right"). There's no further judgment associated with the tag in either my usage of it or others' usage, but I find it interesting that you think that there is one.

Your assertion of that, together with a very thinly veiled accusation that it's all in my head, doesn't make it true... nor is it likely to convince anybody that it's true.

Rather the opposite, actually.

Would you rather I use "Liberal?" Because I've also been told that Liberal is a pejorative term. How about this. Why don't you tell me what you self-identify as and we'll see if that's a better term to use.

I don't care what term you use, I'm observing that you use "Left" as a perjorative, and unless you modify yourself I expect whatever term you use to represent a related concept is going to get used as a perjorative.

See, I'm interpreting what you're saying as "xDaunt must be using 'the Left' as a pejorative term because whenever he uses the term, he is expressing some form of disagreement with, or attack on, the Left." If I relentlessly criticized ostriches in thread, would you say that I was using the term "ostrich" as a pejorative? In my world, things are what they are. My usage of the Left is merely a label.

I don't think you're capable of evaluating the merits of a point of view held by the "Left" or the "Right" without a bias based on which of them holds it. I don't expect you're capable of agreeing with that statement, though. To be fair, that is a fault shared to a greater or lesser degree with most people in the world.

To make a similar statement from another direction, you view the "Left"-leaning people in your own country as an enemy to be defeated, not fellow citizens to coexist with, as evidenced by your sympathy for this point of view.
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