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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
January 31 2017 20:47 GMT
#134401
On February 01 2017 05:43 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2017 05:36 biology]major wrote:
On February 01 2017 05:29 Nevuk wrote:
CNN is saying that Gorsuch has been told to expect to be named for the SC pick


what in the world is the point of both of them traveling to the WH. The runner up just shows up and he's basically told "sorry, not you" and then walks right out and leaves. Kind of messed up.

It's likely a holdover for his love of optics and entertainment from the Apprentice. It's totally the type of thing you would do on a reality TV show.


If it's true that both Gorsuch is against agencies interpreting law and Trump wants someone who will enforce his immigration EO (as posters here have claimed) then it might make sense for him to have two choices in an effort to get his way. He may be leaning towards Gorsuch, but sees him as potentially claiming the EO is invalid.
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6295 Posts
January 31 2017 20:47 GMT
#134402
On February 01 2017 05:33 TheTenthDoc wrote:
In some quick-Trump-stance-reversal news, Medicare drug price negotiation is now likely dead.

Show nested quote +
On January 31st, Trump said:
I'll oppose anything that makes it harder for smaller, younger companies to take the risk of bringing their product to a vibrantly competitive market. That includes price-fixing by the biggest dog in the market, Medicare, which is what's happening. But we can increase competition and bidding wars, big time.

So what I want, we have to get lower prices, we have to get even better innovation and I want you to move your companies back into the United States. And I want you to manufacture in the United States. We're going to be lowering taxes, we're going to be getting rid of regulations that are unnecessary.


I assume "price-fixing by the biggest dog in the market" is the Medicare negotiation-it's the standard industry term for it, anyway. Damn shame, I thought his business sense might shine through over his ability to be easily persuaded with respect to things he doesn't much care about here.

Am I missing something, he says he'll oppose price-fixing by Medicare, and you're saying price negotiation is dead? Is the point of this that it's a soul read where he's lying and you know pharma "got to him?"
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-31 20:50:09
January 31 2017 20:49 GMT
#134403
On February 01 2017 05:47 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2017 05:33 TheTenthDoc wrote:
In some quick-Trump-stance-reversal news, Medicare drug price negotiation is now likely dead.

On January 31st, Trump said:
I'll oppose anything that makes it harder for smaller, younger companies to take the risk of bringing their product to a vibrantly competitive market. That includes price-fixing by the biggest dog in the market, Medicare, which is what's happening. But we can increase competition and bidding wars, big time.

So what I want, we have to get lower prices, we have to get even better innovation and I want you to move your companies back into the United States. And I want you to manufacture in the United States. We're going to be lowering taxes, we're going to be getting rid of regulations that are unnecessary.


I assume "price-fixing by the biggest dog in the market" is the Medicare negotiation-it's the standard industry term for it, anyway. Damn shame, I thought his business sense might shine through over his ability to be easily persuaded with respect to things he doesn't much care about here.

Am I missing something, he says he'll oppose price-fixing by Medicare, and you're saying price negotiation is dead? Is the point of this that it's a soul read where he's lying and you know pharma "got to him?"


What would the difference between price-fixing by Medicare and price negotiation by Medicare?

The former term seems mis-applied, but once it is applied I don't see how the two aren't overlapping.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
January 31 2017 20:51 GMT
#134404
I mean ending price negotiation by Medicare isn't going to get rid of Medicare for drugs or anything... it'll just make medicare massively more expensive. It's a bad idea in general, pretty much is only an easy way to bankrupt medicare.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-31 21:02:02
January 31 2017 20:52 GMT
#134405
On February 01 2017 05:47 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2017 05:33 TheTenthDoc wrote:
In some quick-Trump-stance-reversal news, Medicare drug price negotiation is now likely dead.

On January 31st, Trump said:
I'll oppose anything that makes it harder for smaller, younger companies to take the risk of bringing their product to a vibrantly competitive market. That includes price-fixing by the biggest dog in the market, Medicare, which is what's happening. But we can increase competition and bidding wars, big time.

So what I want, we have to get lower prices, we have to get even better innovation and I want you to move your companies back into the United States. And I want you to manufacture in the United States. We're going to be lowering taxes, we're going to be getting rid of regulations that are unnecessary.


I assume "price-fixing by the biggest dog in the market" is the Medicare negotiation-it's the standard industry term for it, anyway. Damn shame, I thought his business sense might shine through over his ability to be easily persuaded with respect to things he doesn't much care about here.

Am I missing something, he says he'll oppose price-fixing by Medicare, and you're saying price negotiation is dead? Is the point of this that it's a soul read where he's lying and you know pharma "got to him?"


Price-fixing by Medicare *is* price negotiation. Price-fixing in the healthcare world refers to the ripple effect where Medicare negotiating or setting a price on a procedure (which they can do) causes other insurers to implement the same prices.

Medicare never literally says "all insurers must reimburse $X for this procedure." But the final result of them ever saying "we will only reimburse $X for this procedure" is usually other insurers doing the same thing.

I am hard-pressed to imagine a world where price negotiation from Medicare for drugs does not create a similar ripple-effect that is also called price fixing.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-31 21:00:50
January 31 2017 20:52 GMT
#134406
Looks like Trump is going to be nominating Gorsuch for the Supreme Court.

EDIT: Looks like y'all are way ahead of me.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
January 31 2017 20:53 GMT
#134407
On February 01 2017 05:52 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2017 05:47 oBlade wrote:
On February 01 2017 05:33 TheTenthDoc wrote:
In some quick-Trump-stance-reversal news, Medicare drug price negotiation is now likely dead.

On January 31st, Trump said:
I'll oppose anything that makes it harder for smaller, younger companies to take the risk of bringing their product to a vibrantly competitive market. That includes price-fixing by the biggest dog in the market, Medicare, which is what's happening. But we can increase competition and bidding wars, big time.

So what I want, we have to get lower prices, we have to get even better innovation and I want you to move your companies back into the United States. And I want you to manufacture in the United States. We're going to be lowering taxes, we're going to be getting rid of regulations that are unnecessary.


I assume "price-fixing by the biggest dog in the market" is the Medicare negotiation-it's the standard industry term for it, anyway. Damn shame, I thought his business sense might shine through over his ability to be easily persuaded with respect to things he doesn't much care about here.

Am I missing something, he says he'll oppose price-fixing by Medicare, and you're saying price negotiation is dead? Is the point of this that it's a soul read where he's lying and you know pharma "got to him?"


Price-fixing by Medicare *is* price negotiation. Price-fixing in the healthcare world refers to the ripple effect where Medicare negotiating or setting a price on a procedure (which they can do) causes other insurers to implement the same prices.

I am hard-pressed to imagine a world where price negotiation from Medicare for drugs does not create a similar ripple-effect that is also called price fixing.



Yeah that was my understanding, but oBlade was treating them as two different concepts.
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mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
January 31 2017 20:55 GMT
#134408
On February 01 2017 05:47 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2017 05:43 Nevuk wrote:
On February 01 2017 05:36 biology]major wrote:
On February 01 2017 05:29 Nevuk wrote:
CNN is saying that Gorsuch has been told to expect to be named for the SC pick


what in the world is the point of both of them traveling to the WH. The runner up just shows up and he's basically told "sorry, not you" and then walks right out and leaves. Kind of messed up.

It's likely a holdover for his love of optics and entertainment from the Apprentice. It's totally the type of thing you would do on a reality TV show.


If it's true that both Gorsuch is against agencies interpreting law and Trump wants someone who will enforce his immigration EO (as posters here have claimed) then it might make sense for him to have two choices in an effort to get his way. He may be leaning towards Gorsuch, but sees him as potentially claiming the EO is invalid.


Is there anything binding though?
Like couldn't he simply say "It looks perfectly legal to me" just to go "Ah, looked at it again, nah you have to take it down?" the minute he is sworn in?
Once the SC judge is announced, Trump has nothing on him, does he? If it is like that, this favor trading should be... difficult.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
January 31 2017 20:56 GMT
#134409
On February 01 2017 05:55 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2017 05:47 Logo wrote:
On February 01 2017 05:43 Nevuk wrote:
On February 01 2017 05:36 biology]major wrote:
On February 01 2017 05:29 Nevuk wrote:
CNN is saying that Gorsuch has been told to expect to be named for the SC pick


what in the world is the point of both of them traveling to the WH. The runner up just shows up and he's basically told "sorry, not you" and then walks right out and leaves. Kind of messed up.

It's likely a holdover for his love of optics and entertainment from the Apprentice. It's totally the type of thing you would do on a reality TV show.


If it's true that both Gorsuch is against agencies interpreting law and Trump wants someone who will enforce his immigration EO (as posters here have claimed) then it might make sense for him to have two choices in an effort to get his way. He may be leaning towards Gorsuch, but sees him as potentially claiming the EO is invalid.


Is there anything binding though?
Like couldn't he simply say "It looks perfectly legal to me" just to go "Ah, looked at it again, nah you have to take it down?" the minute he is sworn in?
Once the SC judge is announced, Trump has nothing on him, does he? If it is like that, this favor trading should be... difficult.

no, nothing binding. part of the point of supreme court appointments being for life is to free them from having to trade favors and such to stay in office.
the extent to which it's a good idea of course is debated.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-31 21:00:32
January 31 2017 21:00 GMT
#134410
Double post.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
January 31 2017 21:02 GMT
#134411
On February 01 2017 05:55 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2017 05:47 Logo wrote:
On February 01 2017 05:43 Nevuk wrote:
On February 01 2017 05:36 biology]major wrote:
On February 01 2017 05:29 Nevuk wrote:
CNN is saying that Gorsuch has been told to expect to be named for the SC pick


what in the world is the point of both of them traveling to the WH. The runner up just shows up and he's basically told "sorry, not you" and then walks right out and leaves. Kind of messed up.

It's likely a holdover for his love of optics and entertainment from the Apprentice. It's totally the type of thing you would do on a reality TV show.


If it's true that both Gorsuch is against agencies interpreting law and Trump wants someone who will enforce his immigration EO (as posters here have claimed) then it might make sense for him to have two choices in an effort to get his way. He may be leaning towards Gorsuch, but sees him as potentially claiming the EO is invalid.


Is there anything binding though?
Like couldn't he simply say "It looks perfectly legal to me" just to go "Ah, looked at it again, nah you have to take it down?" the minute he is sworn in?
Once the SC judge is announced, Trump has nothing on him, does he? If it is like that, this favor trading should be... difficult.


It is, and I'm mostly openly speculating which shouldn't be worth anything. I was just thinking of the Secretary of State pick where Trump cycled through a lot of people seemingly to sort of publicly shame them for their defiance or past transgressions.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-31 21:07:30
January 31 2017 21:03 GMT
#134412
It's pretty amazing that I'm practically happy with a Scalia 2.0 at this point. I'm ~75% sure Scalia would not look kindly on a lot of what Trump has implemented or discussed implementing (I don't think he was a big stop and frisk guy, for example, and he had a pretty expansive view of what constituted a search unless google is lying to me).
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6295 Posts
January 31 2017 21:09 GMT
#134413
On February 01 2017 05:52 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2017 05:47 oBlade wrote:
On February 01 2017 05:33 TheTenthDoc wrote:
In some quick-Trump-stance-reversal news, Medicare drug price negotiation is now likely dead.

On January 31st, Trump said:
I'll oppose anything that makes it harder for smaller, younger companies to take the risk of bringing their product to a vibrantly competitive market. That includes price-fixing by the biggest dog in the market, Medicare, which is what's happening. But we can increase competition and bidding wars, big time.

So what I want, we have to get lower prices, we have to get even better innovation and I want you to move your companies back into the United States. And I want you to manufacture in the United States. We're going to be lowering taxes, we're going to be getting rid of regulations that are unnecessary.


I assume "price-fixing by the biggest dog in the market" is the Medicare negotiation-it's the standard industry term for it, anyway. Damn shame, I thought his business sense might shine through over his ability to be easily persuaded with respect to things he doesn't much care about here.

Am I missing something, he says he'll oppose price-fixing by Medicare, and you're saying price negotiation is dead? Is the point of this that it's a soul read where he's lying and you know pharma "got to him?"


Price-fixing by Medicare *is* price negotiation. Price-fixing in the healthcare world refers to the ripple effect where Medicare negotiating or setting a price on a procedure (which they can do) causes other insurers to implement the same prices.

I am hard-pressed to imagine a world where price negotiation from Medicare for drugs does not create a similar ripple-effect that is also called price fixing.


He says in the quote price-fixing by Medicare happening now will be opposed. You're saying it's a shame that price negotiation is dead? I don't know if you're speaking the same language as him. What was it that you thought was good before that changed, what was he supposed to say?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-31 22:19:35
January 31 2017 21:13 GMT
#134414
On February 01 2017 06:09 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2017 05:52 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On February 01 2017 05:47 oBlade wrote:
On February 01 2017 05:33 TheTenthDoc wrote:
In some quick-Trump-stance-reversal news, Medicare drug price negotiation is now likely dead.

On January 31st, Trump said:
I'll oppose anything that makes it harder for smaller, younger companies to take the risk of bringing their product to a vibrantly competitive market. That includes price-fixing by the biggest dog in the market, Medicare, which is what's happening. But we can increase competition and bidding wars, big time.

So what I want, we have to get lower prices, we have to get even better innovation and I want you to move your companies back into the United States. And I want you to manufacture in the United States. We're going to be lowering taxes, we're going to be getting rid of regulations that are unnecessary.


I assume "price-fixing by the biggest dog in the market" is the Medicare negotiation-it's the standard industry term for it, anyway. Damn shame, I thought his business sense might shine through over his ability to be easily persuaded with respect to things he doesn't much care about here.

Am I missing something, he says he'll oppose price-fixing by Medicare, and you're saying price negotiation is dead? Is the point of this that it's a soul read where he's lying and you know pharma "got to him?"


Price-fixing by Medicare *is* price negotiation. Price-fixing in the healthcare world refers to the ripple effect where Medicare negotiating or setting a price on a procedure (which they can do) causes other insurers to implement the same prices.

I am hard-pressed to imagine a world where price negotiation from Medicare for drugs does not create a similar ripple-effect that is also called price fixing.


He says in the quote price-fixing by Medicare happening now will be opposed. You're saying it's a shame that price negotiation is dead? I don't know if you're speaking the same language as him. What was it that you thought was good before that changed, what was he supposed to say?


Let me see if I can explain this better.

"Price-fixing by Medicare" (the result of price negotiation and classification by HHS) is happening in the field of procedures and in some drugs under Part B. He says he will oppose this.

If he implemented price negotiation in the drug market, it would also be "price-fixing" because they have the exact same consequences.

He was supposed to say "we will allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices for part D" as he did during the campaign.

Putting this aside, do you not find it strange that he does not mention price negotiation anywhere, instead referring to lowering prices due to lowering taxes and removing regulations to make drugs cheaper? You would think that if it were a major part of his platform he would have mentioned it after a big meeting with pharma companies, right?

Edit: Maaaybe he thinks "bidding wars" is negotiating? But I'm not sure how we would increase them since we don't do any for Part D and that's not really how Part D negotiating would work?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22452 Posts
January 31 2017 21:14 GMT
#134415
On February 01 2017 06:09 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2017 05:52 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On February 01 2017 05:47 oBlade wrote:
On February 01 2017 05:33 TheTenthDoc wrote:
In some quick-Trump-stance-reversal news, Medicare drug price negotiation is now likely dead.

On January 31st, Trump said:
I'll oppose anything that makes it harder for smaller, younger companies to take the risk of bringing their product to a vibrantly competitive market. That includes price-fixing by the biggest dog in the market, Medicare, which is what's happening. But we can increase competition and bidding wars, big time.

So what I want, we have to get lower prices, we have to get even better innovation and I want you to move your companies back into the United States. And I want you to manufacture in the United States. We're going to be lowering taxes, we're going to be getting rid of regulations that are unnecessary.


I assume "price-fixing by the biggest dog in the market" is the Medicare negotiation-it's the standard industry term for it, anyway. Damn shame, I thought his business sense might shine through over his ability to be easily persuaded with respect to things he doesn't much care about here.

Am I missing something, he says he'll oppose price-fixing by Medicare, and you're saying price negotiation is dead? Is the point of this that it's a soul read where he's lying and you know pharma "got to him?"


Price-fixing by Medicare *is* price negotiation. Price-fixing in the healthcare world refers to the ripple effect where Medicare negotiating or setting a price on a procedure (which they can do) causes other insurers to implement the same prices.

I am hard-pressed to imagine a world where price negotiation from Medicare for drugs does not create a similar ripple-effect that is also called price fixing.


He says in the quote price-fixing by Medicare happening now will be opposed. You're saying it's a shame that price negotiation is dead? I don't know if you're speaking the same language as him. What was it that you thought was good before that changed, what was he supposed to say?

Lets take a step back instead.

What do you think Medicare price-fixing is?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
January 31 2017 21:15 GMT
#134416
that medicare statement just is very odious. it nakedly exploits the reasonable negative association people have for price-fixing but applies it in reverse. this level of naked manipulation has to be from some polished industry source.

prior schema important for interpretation of new information etc.
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nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
January 31 2017 22:43 GMT
#134417
On February 01 2017 06:14 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2017 06:09 oBlade wrote:
On February 01 2017 05:52 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On February 01 2017 05:47 oBlade wrote:
On February 01 2017 05:33 TheTenthDoc wrote:
In some quick-Trump-stance-reversal news, Medicare drug price negotiation is now likely dead.

On January 31st, Trump said:
I'll oppose anything that makes it harder for smaller, younger companies to take the risk of bringing their product to a vibrantly competitive market. That includes price-fixing by the biggest dog in the market, Medicare, which is what's happening. But we can increase competition and bidding wars, big time.

So what I want, we have to get lower prices, we have to get even better innovation and I want you to move your companies back into the United States. And I want you to manufacture in the United States. We're going to be lowering taxes, we're going to be getting rid of regulations that are unnecessary.


I assume "price-fixing by the biggest dog in the market" is the Medicare negotiation-it's the standard industry term for it, anyway. Damn shame, I thought his business sense might shine through over his ability to be easily persuaded with respect to things he doesn't much care about here.

Am I missing something, he says he'll oppose price-fixing by Medicare, and you're saying price negotiation is dead? Is the point of this that it's a soul read where he's lying and you know pharma "got to him?"


Price-fixing by Medicare *is* price negotiation. Price-fixing in the healthcare world refers to the ripple effect where Medicare negotiating or setting a price on a procedure (which they can do) causes other insurers to implement the same prices.

I am hard-pressed to imagine a world where price negotiation from Medicare for drugs does not create a similar ripple-effect that is also called price fixing.


He says in the quote price-fixing by Medicare happening now will be opposed. You're saying it's a shame that price negotiation is dead? I don't know if you're speaking the same language as him. What was it that you thought was good before that changed, what was he supposed to say?

Lets take a step back instead.

What do you think Medicare price-fixing is?

It's a great deal you have in Netherlands, I'm doubly jalous, as a potential patient and as a nurse who could avoid learning tons of names for the same drug coming from different companies. Tbh, I wish France would follow the Dutch model when it comes to buying drugs.

Reducing the cost of expensive medicines
The Minister of Health, Welfare and Sport (VWS) wants to know why some medicines are so expensive (in Dutch). She believes people have the right to know what their health insurance premiums are being spent on. Drug pricing will be high on the minister’s agenda during the Dutch EU Presidency in 2016.

The Netherlands and Belgium are going to jointly negotiate lower drug prices with pharmaceutical companies. Together, the two countries represent a larger group of patients. This will make it easier for them to negotiate lower prices with drug companies. They will especially try to negotiate lower prices for expensive medicines, including orphan drugs which are used to treat rare diseases.

www.government.nl

That is price fixing.
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4999 Posts
January 31 2017 23:00 GMT
#134418
For what it's worth many twitter conservatives are relieved it seems to be Gorsuch rather than Hardiman. There is less doubt about him. As I've said a million times, there are a LOT of people who voted for Trump to get a good, reliable justice.

He's obviously qualified, so I am curious to see if the Democrats really will filibuster, and if some of the more reluctant GOP senators be willing to nuke the filibuster. There are a few procedural purists in the GOP caucus.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
January 31 2017 23:08 GMT
#134419
So this guy Stephen Miller, a 31 year old wrote the immigration EO and was a key part of deciding not to vet it through any agencies lol.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 31 2017 23:27 GMT
#134420
Despite all of the hysterics from the Left, I think that Trump's winning on this executive order:

Americans are sharply divided over President Donald Trump's order to temporarily block U.S. entry for all refugees and citizens of seven Muslim countries, with slightly more approving the measure than disapproving, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll released on Tuesday.

The Jan. 30-31 poll found that 49 percent of American adults said they either "strongly" or "somewhat" agreed with Trump's order, while 41 percent "strongly" or "somewhat" disagreed and another 10 percent said they don't know.

But the responses were split almost entirely along party lines. Some 53 percent of Democrats said they "strongly disagree" with Trump's action while 51 percent of Republicans said they "strongly agree."

Trump's executive order banned refugees from entering the United States for 120 days, and it placed an indefinite hold on Syrian refugees. It also blocked citizens from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.


From Reuters.
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