US Politics Mega-thread - Page 6605

On January 21 2017 03:43 zlefin wrote:

iirc he couldn't, there was opposition from conservative democrats, some of the compromises were made to appease them.

On January 21 2017 03:35 biology]major wrote:


The next 4-8 years will show change the likes this country has NEVER seen. Trump isn't even a republican, so he can easily negotiate between both sides. Combine that with his insane work ethic and vision and he will be remembered as one of the most influential assuming he lives and makes it through his term(s).

On January 21 2017 03:51 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Trump can't negociate woth both sides. He will be blocked by the GOP who hates him at every corners and he starts as the most polarizing president in American history. If you think democrats will make "deals" with him, you are delusionnal.

On January 21 2017 03:51 Nebuchad wrote:
I like that this page is a discussion about how much Obama had to give up and whether that made him weak or not, and in the middle of that xDaunt is explaining that the problem with Obama is that he was an ideologue and that's why he couldn't get things done.

If there ever needed to be an example of several realities coexisting, this is a pretty good one.

Fortunately, this one is not that hard to resolve. The notion that Obama was an ideologue is beyond ridiculous.

On January 21 2017 03:54 MyTHicaL wrote:
I don't understand how obamacare wasn't good.. I mean it wasn't perfect but people's main complaint seems to be about it not being able to sustain itself yet healthcare is supposed to run on a loss.. You're not supposed to make money through it..

On January 21 2017 03:55 Thieving Magpie wrote:


When conservatives say that Obama is an ideologue, its code for "Obama is Black."

Like, do remember when Obama convinced the Dems to use a republican plan for Healthcare? Ideologue.
Or maybe the time when Obama protected children while deporting more than any president in recent age? Ideologue.
Or that time when Obama shifted resources from Iraq and used it to chase Bin Laden? Ideologue.
Or that time when Obama cut taxes? Liberal conspiracy.
Or the million other things where Obama fused Liberal and Conservative ideals in order to push more middle ground policies--ideologue.

And by ideologue--they mean black.

On January 21 2017 04:02 MyTHicaL wrote:


Lol.. OK..
I will always find it weird that some people can be so against something that they will actually stage protests about it.. I mean it's the same thing in my eyes; if you don't like the idea of homosexuality or abortions then you have the right to feel that way but why care so much that you stage protests to stop other people practicing them mmm..

On January 21 2017 04:09 Thieving Magpie wrote:


Unsure why you're quoting what I said and then start talking about protests...

Americans, most of them, are stupid and greedy. They don't want to pay for anything, they don't want to help people, and they don't like change.

When they are forced to acknowledge that because the downtrodden protests for equal rights, they deem it as an attack.

Here's the thing MyThical. When Homosexuals and Women are given less rights, attacked more, and are more restricted in society--they don't have the option to just let the other side have their own opinions, especially when the homophobe's and misogynist's opinions directly affect and attack the lives of Homosexuals and Women. That is why they protest, that is why they scream from beneath the boot of oppression.

On January 21 2017 04:15 Liquid`Jinro wrote:

Uhm he's actually saying he doesnt get why people protest against gay marriage or abortions, i.e why they care what others are doing.

Still think its a bad analogy to something like univ healthcare since that does have an impact (taxes etc) on them unlike whether 2 blokes get married.

On January 21 2017 03:47 Euphorbus wrote:
Another example is him not appointing a new supreme justice. That was absurdly weak as well.

On January 21 2017 03:15 On_Slaught wrote:
Lol at people like xDaunt praising him for trying to embarass all the politicians he is going to have to work with to get anything done. Like that is in anyway prodictive. Trump supporters railed against Obama for not working with Republicans and trying to bully them early on. This is better?

In general I am curious to see how Trump does two things. First, how he does after national tragedies. I can't imagine him giving somber speeches well like Obama. I'm curious what style he will try after mass shootings and the like. After his inane tweets of course.

I'm also curious to see how he does at things like the commencement dinner where he is supposed to be funny. His humor is very mean-spirited and I wonder if he can get away from that.

On January 21 2017 03:47 Euphorbus wrote:
Obama should just have let those democrats and republicans vote it down, then blame them, and wait till the next election.
That's how it works. That's why the republicans always win, despite public opinion being against them. Approval ratings of congress was super-low. Look now with medicine imports from Canada. Democrats who received donations from big pharma blocked it.

Another example is him not appointing a new supreme justice. That was absurdly weak as well.

Donors seem to favour weak democrats and hard as nail republicans. I wonder why.