EPTThe two-page synopsis [presented to Trump in the intelligence briefing] also included allegations that there was a continuing exchange of information during the campaign between Trump surrogates and intermediaries for the Russian government, according to two national security officials.
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Doodsmack
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GreenHorizons
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On January 11 2017 09:13 TheTenthDoc wrote: Um. You're showing the article headline is deceptive. The "no clear link to Russia" doesn't refer to the DNC hacking, which they agree has a clear link to Russia just perhaps not at the behest of the Trump campaign. Moreover, if you read the details about the Trump/Russia server link in the article, it says: Which is precisely the conclusions of others. I think you misunderstand what I was saying. I was saying the content of this new release of Trump stuff (as far as connecting *him* with Russia) predates the FBI's assessment where they said they didn't see a connection. | ||
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LegalLord
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On January 11 2017 09:02 xDaunt wrote: 3. Russia had some buyer's remorse for shitting on Hillary given the political firestorm that followed. That one, I really doubt. That sounds so unlike a deliberate Russian intelligence campaign that it strains credibility. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
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On January 11 2017 09:38 LegalLord wrote: That one, I really doubt. That sounds so unlike a deliberate Russian intelligence campaign that it strains credibility. Eh. I think they would have hugely preferred not to have it come out they were the ones that hacked the DNC and would have liked to preserve Assange cred in some circles a little better. That's probably most of their remorse. They did try real hard to spin it as "no no no it was just some hacker!" for a good while. | ||
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LegalLord
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On January 11 2017 09:39 TheTenthDoc wrote: The Buzzfeed docs would kind of explain why Trump did some things that would be truly bizarre for anyone co-opted by the Russians to do: they mostly just checked in with campaign surrogates to find out what he was thinking and never really told him what to do, so when he genuinely believed things like nobody knowing who hacked the DNC they never had the chance to say "hey...just admit it...there's no gain for anyone in denying it for us." I attribute it to ego. He just doesn't want his win to be thought of as "Russia did it." | ||
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Introvert
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Karis Vas Ryaar
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http://www.npr.org/2017/01/10/509176361/alaskan-village-citing-climate-change-seeks-disaster-relief-in-order-to-relocate The tiny village of Newtok near Alaska's western coast has been sliding into the Ninglick River for years. As temperatures increase — faster there than in the rest of the U.S. — the frozen permafrost underneath Newtok is thawing. About 70 feet of land a year erode away, putting the village's colorful buildings, some on stilts, ever closer to the water's edge. Now, in an unprecedented test case, Newtok wants the federal government to declare these mounting impacts of climate change an official disaster. Villagers say it's their last shot at unlocking the tens of millions of dollars needed to relocate the entire community. "We just need to get out of there," says Romy Cadiente, the village relocation coordinator. "For the safety of the 450 people there." Cadiente spoke while in Anchorage recently, where he met with state officials about moving the village, which includes a school built in 1958 by the Bureau of Indian Affairs that drew nearby subsistence hunters and fishers to settle. Coming to terms with climate's impact on the Alaska Native village has been gut-wrenching for many. But a new village has been chosen nine miles away, and several houses are already built. Cadiente says the problem is money: The Army Corps of Engineers has estimated it will cost $80 million to $130 million to relocate key infrastructure. "The price tag on this village move is astronomical, and what we have right now is nowhere near," he says. | ||
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Doodsmack
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This cache of memos has been kicking around official Washington for several weeks now. A great many journalists have been feverishly working to document the allegations within it, which are both explosive and quite various: some of them relate to alleged collusion between Trump campaign officials and Russian intelligence, while others relate to personal sexual conduct by Trump himself that supposedly constitutes a rip-roaring KOMPROMAT file. We have had the document for a couple of weeks and have chosen, as have lots of other publications, not to publish it while the allegations within it remain unproven. In response to CNN’s report, however, Buzzfeed has now released the underlying document itself, which is available here. ... [S]low down, and take a deep breath. We shouldn’t assume either that this is simply a “fake news” episode directed at discrediting Trump or that the dam has now broken and the truth is coming out at last. We don’t know what the reality is here, and the better part of valor is not to get ahead ahead of the facts—a matter on which, incidentally, the press deserves a lot of credit. Lawfare | ||
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GreenHorizons
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On January 11 2017 09:56 Introvert wrote: Is this how you get around the "fake news" tag? You must have missed the memo, "fake news" isn't a thing anymore roflmao. What we're seeing is a generation of politicians totally disconnected from how the internet works, combined with a media that is stuck between carrying water for the politicians they've cultivated relationships with and competing for eyeballs on the same internet that their politician buddies don't understand. This is approaching self-parody levels. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
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xDaunt
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On January 11 2017 10:19 GreenHorizons wrote: You must have missed the memo, "fake news" isn't a thing anymore roflmao. https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/818455299472392195 What we're seeing is a generation of politicians totally disconnected from how the internet works, combined with a media that is stuck between carrying water for the politicians they've cultivated relationships with and competing for eyeballs on the same internet that their politician buddies don't understand. This is approaching self-parody levels. I'm still amused by how badly leftist journalists got jiu-jitsued on "fake news." | ||
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Doodsmack
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The Guardian has learned that the FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (Fisa) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials. The Fisa court turned down the application asking FBI counter-intelligence investigators to narrow its focus. According to one report, the FBI was finally granted a warrant in October, but that has not been confirmed, and it is not clear whether any warrant led to a full investigation. Source | ||
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Nevuk
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Also, I'm not really sure how much damage the golden showers/whores thing will actually do to Trump's reputation. There have been numerous worse things revealed about him already, at least in this instance everyone would be consenting. Anyone who would be offended by it has already been offended by the pussy grabbing and is now unable to look their daughter in the eye (sorry, Jason Chaffetz). Even if a tape is actually leaked I don't think it would hurt him. His reputation cannot get worse among anyone at this point - his followers will not believe anything negative (would claim it was a conspiracy), and his enemies already think the worst of him. | ||
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Doodsmack
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 .EDIT: I guess they could still blackmail if they have proof lol. | ||
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LegalLord
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On January 11 2017 10:19 GreenHorizons wrote: You must have missed the memo, "fake news" isn't a thing anymore roflmao. https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/818455299472392195 What we're seeing is a generation of politicians totally disconnected from how the internet works, combined with a media that is stuck between carrying water for the politicians they've cultivated relationships with and competing for eyeballs on the same internet that their politician buddies don't understand. This is approaching self-parody levels. There is some beautiful irony in that two months after "Russian propaganda spread fake news, experts say" we get "let's retire fake news" from the very same WaPo. | ||
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GreenHorizons
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On January 11 2017 10:54 LegalLord wrote: There is some beautiful irony in that two months after "Russian propaganda spread fake news, experts say" we get "let's retire fake news" from the very same WaPo. It probably could have been avoided had they just not put out that incredibly stupid "Russia Hacks Vermont Power Grid" story. People had already given passes to previous outright lies published in WaPo. But there is pretty much 0 defense of that story other than "we liked how it sounded and wanted to report the rumors *first* as fact". Journalistic ethics have all but evaporated. They've always been mostly on paper, but now "journalists" aren't even trying to make it appear like they are following them. | ||
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Doodsmack
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