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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On January 05 2017 13:47 ChristianS wrote: You forego the natural conclusion, which is that you've never heard of an election in which a protest vote was a good idea. iirc, a lot of people chose this election as a time for a protest vote at the presidential level IF they lived in an ultra-safe state. where the result was a foregone conclusion. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23803 Posts
On January 05 2017 13:32 LegalLord wrote: I didn't cast a third party vote - though I don't blame people like GH for doing otherwise. Sometimes you have to stand on principle in an "inconvenient" time. I have never heard of an election that was advertised as "this election isn't really a big deal, this is a good time to cast a protest vote." My vote was in Washington and while I knew I couldn't change the outcome, I knew that votes for third parties count more than not showing up toward being registered as discontent. So I voted third party, but I didn't begrudge people who came to the conclusion that voting Hillary was their best choice if they were in a close state. It's the ones who "Pfft" offed the fact that Hillary was the first party candidate/nominee under federal investigation, but then turned on the FBI for mentioning it at an inconvenient time. Especially the ones who didn't/don't even want to pull the party to the real center representing people, as opposed to the DC center, representing big money donors and lobbyists on different sides of issues. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On January 05 2017 13:47 ChristianS wrote: You forego the natural conclusion, which is that you've never heard of an election in which a protest vote was a good idea. A "good idea" in the sense of "it's a fine time to go and protest because it doesn't really matter." Sometimes you have to accept a worse president on principle for the sake of a chance of a better future. Otherwise you just get an assured decline. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On January 05 2017 13:59 GreenHorizons wrote: It's the ones who "Pfft" offed the fact that Hillary was the first party candidate/nominee under federal investigation, but then turned on the FBI for mentioning it at an inconvenient time. Most investigations require evidence to the crime she's accused of. But in Hillary's case, she was guilty of not being an old white guy. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23803 Posts
On January 05 2017 16:21 Thieving Magpie wrote: Most investigations require evidence to the crime she's accused of. But in Hillary's case, she was guilty of not being an old white guy. Without arguing whether there was sufficient evidence for an investigation (if another employee of the state dept did/does what she did they would probably never get security clearance again, and she lied incessantly about it), it didn't change that the investigation or the potential for it to come up at a bad time, was nonetheless, a foreseeable political reality. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On January 05 2017 14:00 LegalLord wrote: A "good idea" in the sense of "it's a fine time to go and protest because it doesn't really matter." Sometimes you have to accept a worse president on principle for the sake of a chance of a better future. Otherwise you just get an assured decline. I suppose I can understand your outrage at the Democrats of late then, if you see this election as voters intentionally choosing the worse candidate or failing to support the better one, in hopes that it would convince the Democrats to turn things around. If they don't reform in the way you want them to, then you've elected an autocratic asshole for no gain. Still seems like a less risky gambit to, I dunno, not elect the autocratic asshole, but too late for that, I suppose. My inclination now is to oppose him, but you're presumably still holding out hope that the Democrats will turn into the party you want if we just abuse them enough. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On January 05 2017 16:29 GreenHorizons wrote: Without arguing whether there was sufficient evidence for an investigation (if another employee of the state dept did/does what she did they would probably never get security clearance again, and she lied incessantly about it), it didn't change that the investigation or the potential for it to come up at a bad time, was nonetheless, a foreseeable political reality. You're talking about the investigation she was cleared of in July until one of Giuliani's friends popped in to mention an email that she was not involved in was not being looked at in regards to her? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23803 Posts
On January 05 2017 16:40 Thieving Magpie wrote: You're talking about the investigation she was cleared of in July until one of Giuliani's friends popped in to mention an email that she was not involved in was not being looked at in regards to her? I don't know if "cleared" and found to be "extremely careless" after lying about it the whole time are as synonymous as her supporters insist, but yeah, you're thinking of the same investigation. | ||
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pmh
1416 Posts
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/marijuana-related-illness-increases-legalized-211922824.html This disease and its symptoms are nonsense,never heard from this from anyone. I know of a lot of pot related problems and symptoms,but not the above. It simply is not true or extremely over stated. And this is not the only fake news,what about all the advertisements disguised as news storys? Also fake,never heard anyone complain about those. (though they are annoying as hell). I do hope they do something against fake news,make that type of add illegal. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23803 Posts
On January 05 2017 19:24 pmh wrote: So much fake news. The mainstream media have been publishing fake news for over 1 decade. Only now that it hurts certain interests it has become an issue. Hypocrite much? https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/marijuana-related-illness-increases-legalized-211922824.html It's a "real" thing, it's remarkably rare though, which is why the media's using it's typical "we're scientific illiterates so our code of ethics don't apply" analysis. The study that saw a "doubling" saw a doubling of "cyclic vomiting syndrome "diagnosis. "Cyclic vomiting syndrome" has basically the same symptoms, but isn't cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome. That said, it's an issue reserved for mostly for heavy users, we're talking 3-5 times a day. It's something you would notice, so when people end up in the emergency room for it, it's because they refuse to acknowledge cannabis is making them nauseous for years. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10870 Posts
Your linked article is on "Yahoo News" (lol?) as it seems in the Beauty section (lol!?) and was first in "Teen Vogue" (lol!). Appareantly also in Teen Vogue you find these "stories": 47 Awkward Celebrity Yearbook Photos Taylor Swift's Top 10 Red Carpet Looks Ever How Every Sign in the Zodiac Finds Love The Best Beauty Brands for REALLY Sensitive Skin 10 Things You Own That You Need to Clean Immediately 7 Times Your Favorite Celebrities Got REAL About Their Periods If people talk about "News" they don't talk about trash entertainment like the example you just brought up. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On January 05 2017 16:21 Thieving Magpie wrote: Most investigations require evidence to the crime she's accused of. But in Hillary's case, she was guilty of not being an old white guy. Would you stop dismissing every complaint against her as sexism? I'm sure there was plenty of that but come on, your country elected and re-elected a black guy with a foreign sounding name, backwards views can't be her only problem. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18252 Posts
On January 05 2017 19:50 Velr wrote: People have complained about fake News/hidden ads for ages, ever since tabloids went online and had to start generate the lions share of their revenue with ads. Your linked article is on "Yahoo News" (lol?) as it seems in the Beauty section (lol!?) and was first in "Teen Vogue" (lol!). Appareantly also in Teen Vogue you find these "stories": If people talk about "News" they don't talk about trash entertainment like the example you just brought up. Except that that is precisely one of the problems. With everything being "flattened" by Google's personalized recommender system, Facebook's feed, and Twitter being just plain crap, it is increasingly hard to distinguish between fake news and real news. Otherwise some shitty fake news factory in Eastern Europe wouldn't be a problem, just as Teen Vogue is not a problem (according to you). It used to be the case that you could safely say that if you got your "news" from the Daily Sun, it was mostly made up shit, interspersed with the latest scandal about the celebrity of the month, and a bit of sports news. Somewhere on page 23 it would repeat the ANP headlines so it could justify calling itself a newspaper, rather than just a paper. And if you read the New York Times, you could expect some journalistic integrity. Nowadays, the good articles are all mixed up with the shit. And even the "quality" media like the WaPo is taking a hit, but it really doesn't even matter that the WaPo is posting shit, because half the time you don't even know the source of what appears on your screen (and this is made even worse with Google and Facebook cloning the web so that you can view it better on your phone screen, but makes it even more obtuse to figure out where the article originally came from). | ||
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pmh
1416 Posts
On January 05 2017 19:50 Velr wrote: People have complained about fake News/hidden ads for ages, ever since tabloids went online and had to start generate the lions share of their revenue with ads. Your linked article is on "Yahoo News" (lol?) as it seems in the Beauty section (lol!?) and was first in "Teen Vogue" (lol!). Appareantly also in Teen Vogue you find these "stories": If people talk about "News" they don't talk about trash entertainment like the example you just brought up. Mmm I don't know. It was at the front page of yahoo,a website many people have as their starting page or visit every day and that's the news everyone sees. Quality news media they wont report fake storys most likely. Its the fake news at the internet that gets people worried,and then specially the fake news on popular websites like yahoo and facebook. @green horizon. Maybe its a real thing,if it is it is extremely rare. Its kinda funny because pot is used to prevent vomiting in some situations with medical use. To now see it can induce heavy vomiting is just weird and makes no sense. I have never ever heard from someone in my environment about this symptom. Many other symptoms yes,but this one never. If its an issue with heavy users then I would guess its 1 in 1000 or less that have this "disease". It sounds a bit like an allergic reaction tbh,and not really a disease. Maybe the vomiting comes from the tobacco used with the weed,that would already make a bit more sense as vomiting from tobacco is not uncommon (see first time smokers) | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23803 Posts
On January 05 2017 22:47 pmh wrote: Mmm I don't know. It was at the front page of yahoo,a website many people have as their starting page or visit every day and that's the news everyone sees. Quality news media they wont report fake storys most likely. Its the fake news at the internet that gets people worried,and then specially the fake news on popular websites like yahoo and facebook. @green horizon. Maybe its a real thing,if it is it is extremely rare. Its kinda funny because pot is used to prevent vomiting in some situations with medical use. To now see it can induce heavy vomiting is just weird and makes no sense. I have never ever heard from someone in my environment about this symptom. Many other symptoms yes,but this one never. If its an issue with heavy users then I would guess its 1 in 1000 or less that have this "disease". It sounds a bit like an allergic reaction tbh,and not really a disease. Maybe the vomiting comes from the tobacco used with the weed,that would already make a bit more sense as vomiting from tobacco is not uncommon (see first time smokers) Yeah, it's very rare, but it was being reported years ago, though I've personally never seen a case. It is an allergic reaction though, so it's not really a "symptom" of cannabis like most people would probably assume based on the godawful reporting being splashed around places like teen vogue to huff po, to CNN. Probably more people ending up in ER's for eating edibles they didn't read had peanuts in them than this thing. | ||
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
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farvacola
United States18856 Posts
The lack of clinical data relative to marijuana use is certainly something worth fixing, and the media hype surrounding this new weed "disease" is a good example of why. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4405 Posts
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farvacola
United States18856 Posts
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