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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21963 Posts
On November 11 2013 04:52 PassiveAce wrote: I would be more surprised to find out that rand paul actually wrote the book himself. We'll we already know he didnt write it himself considering all the stuff thats stolen from other people. | ||
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tshi
United States2495 Posts
White Conservative Republican Wins Election by Making Voters Believe He Was Black | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On November 11 2013 06:15 tshi wrote: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/white-conservative-republican-wins-election-by-making-voters-believe-he-was-black/ That article is some pretty bad click-bait. Reality is he was elected for some board for some Community College System, and for something that minor people usually just elect the incumbent when there aren't any issues, and elect the opponent when there have been problems. | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On November 11 2013 04:12 sam!zdat wrote: I don't see why anybody cares about this plagiarism stuff. the guy's not campaigning to be a scholar. Seems like it's more of a 'character thing'. If you're the type of slimy fuck that can't put in an honest effort to produce something legitimately, then in which other areas might you also cut corners? I wouldn't want to vote for a guy that doesn't possess basic work ethic principles. "One-offs" are probably okay, but if it becomes apparent that it's a persistent habit throughout a career (not saying it is necessarily the case for Rand, yet) then yikes. On November 10 2013 18:23 HunterX11 wrote: Obama is great at browbeating his enemies into submission (his only actual enemies being progressive Democrats) Pretty sure he's talking about it being a compromise between a genuine single payer 'socialized' system and an all out 'private' system. He's not dicking around with partisan shittery with regard to Obama and republicans, Obama being mean to republicans, Obama being elitist, whatever, etc. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 11 2013 10:29 FallDownMarigold wrote: Pretty sure he's talking about it being a compromise between a genuine single payer 'socialized' system and an all out 'private' system. He's not dicking around with partisan shittery with regard to Obama and republicans, Obama being mean to republicans, Obama being elitist, whatever, etc. That leaves us guessing what makes the compromise desperate, as the author cast it. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
as for the character of paul, who cares? all politicians are scum. you don't run on strength of character you run on soundbites and whatever your particular flavor of populism is. i don't see how a plagiarist is any worse of a candidate, we're not hiring him to generate original prose. if he steals a line from somebody, he believes that (as much as any politician believes anything they say) - what more do you want to know? it's just a distraction | ||
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packrat386
United States5077 Posts
On November 11 2013 11:28 sam!zdat wrote: the healthcare system is dysfunctional because of rent-seeking behaviors on the part of private insurance companies (and because of the high costs associated with american culture and political inability to pursue preventative health care as policy). romneycare is a desperate compromise to avoid nationalizing the entire sector. it won't work. as for the character of paul, who cares? all politicians are scum. you don't run on strength of character you run on soundbites and whatever your particular flavor of populism is. i don't see how a plagiarist is any worse of a candidate, we're not hiring him to generate original prose. if he steals a line from somebody, he believes that (as much as any politician believes anything they say) - what more do you want to know? it's just a distraction I would have commented this, but I was worried you wouldn't like me putting on my samz!hat. | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
[naive half baked thoughts mode engaged] i'd like to see politics become more scientific/academic, with more accountability following, so that we aren't "running on soundbites" and relying on a "particular flavor of populism" but instead electing those with genuine, research-backed ideas. why do we need 'party lines' and the like? but that's a pipe dream because what's already there is unchangeable and what's required is vastly better education for everyone so that they can participate in such a system. there also needs to be a removal of being able to pump effectively endless resources into propagating self-serving and biased ads and other means of influence, but that cuts into "free speech" and other 'rights' [/naive half baked thoughts mode engaged] | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 11 2013 06:15 tshi wrote: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/white-conservative-republican-wins-election-by-making-voters-believe-he-was-black/ Who is the bigger asshole: The white republican who was elected or the black folks that only voted for him because they thought he was black? I don't think anyone has talked about the voters yet. Pretty sad oversight. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
It could just as easily be incumbent hating, as a lot of that is going around now. This does however bring up one of my major complaints about local elections: there's no info. You should be able to go to a polling place, and get some basic info about the candidates, like who they are, what their resume is, and maybe a few platform positions of theirs. But as is you get NOTHING. You just go in, and there's a bunch of names, and you have no idea who these people are or what they're for, you have no info on them. You have to often go out and look or find a town newspaper to get any info. Voters in a democracy that want more info on the candidates should be PROVIDED it; even if they're already at the polling booth. re: marigold, it's very possible to shift things towards a more well reasoned and backed approached; it'd take some constitutional amending, but it's possible. To my mind, the federal judicial system tends to do better than congress; I'd like to see some info on how approval ratings of the judiciary compare to congress over time. While they still do some questionable things; courts tend to have better standards for rigor than congressional debate (where literally lying is fine). If congressmen were sworn to tell the truth, under penalty of perjury, and could be cross-examined by the other side; I think it would do a bit to help the system work better. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 11 2013 13:53 xDaunt wrote: Who is the bigger asshole: The white republican who was elected or the black folks that only voted for him because they thought he was black? I don't think anyone has talked about the voters yet. Pretty sad oversight. While it’s on voters to be more informed about who it is they’re voting for, this was a clear and blatant attempt to fool voters into making them believe he was someone he wasn’t. It’s one thing to mislead people on your policies and political beliefs, it’s quite another to willfully launch a campaign of deception in an effort to fool people. Tell me you can't read that rich paragraph again without laughing. Fool voters into making them believe he was someone he wasn't? Willfully launch a campaign of deception in an effort to fool people? | ||
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BioNova
United States598 Posts
On November 11 2013 11:28 sam!zdat wrote: the healthcare system is dysfunctional because of rent-seeking behaviors on the part of private insurance companies (and because of the high costs associated with american culture and political inability to pursue preventative health care as policy). romneycare is a desperate compromise to avoid nationalizing the entire sector. it won't work. as for the character of paul, who cares? all politicians are scum. you don't run on strength of character you run on soundbites and whatever your particular flavor of populism is. i don't see how a plagiarist is any worse of a candidate, we're not hiring him to generate original prose. if he steals a line from somebody, he believes that (as much as any politician believes anything they say) - what more do you want to know? it's just a distraction Compared with the outright lies from the last two presidents alone, look at these lil bitches whine about Rand. Perspective enabled. | ||
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kwizach
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Fliers with pictures pulled from the Internet of African Americans were mailed to voters, accompanied by the caption “Please vote for our friend and neighbor Dave Wilson.” Another letter noted “endorsed by Ron Wilson,” which Houston voters might assume referred to a black former state representative. However, the fine print read, “Ron Wilson and Dave Wilson are cousins.” http://nation.time.com/2013/11/11/white-republican-wins-election-by-leading-voters-to-believe-hes-black/ Well, this one is from Time. That's some pretty blatant disinformation right there, though I think his opponent calling him calling him a “right-wing hate monger” who “advocated bringing back chain gangs to clean highways.” is a little extreme. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
Long story short, there are is no "good guy" here. | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On November 11 2013 11:28 sam!zdat wrote: the healthcare system is dysfunctional because of rent-seeking behaviors on the part of private insurance companies (and because of the high costs associated with american culture and political inability to pursue preventative health care as policy). romneycare is a desperate compromise to avoid nationalizing the entire sector. it won't work. as for the character of paul, who cares? all politicians are scum. you don't run on strength of character you run on soundbites and whatever your particular flavor of populism is. i don't see how a plagiarist is any worse of a candidate, we're not hiring him to generate original prose. if he steals a line from somebody, he believes that (as much as any politician believes anything they say) - what more do you want to know? it's just a distraction Romneycare seems to be working OK in MA. We basically have universal healthcare (only ~4% uninsured + some government coverage) and cost increases have been mild in recent years. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On November 12 2013 05:16 JonnyBNoHo wrote: Romneycare seems to be working OK in MA. We basically have universal healthcare (only ~4% uninsured + some government coverage) and cost increases have been mild in recent years. Somewhat unrelated, I've always wondered about the US obsession with nicknaming everything. Obamacare, Romneycare, Octomom, Cablegate... Anyone remember that Watergategate thing? | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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