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farvacola
United States18832 Posts
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pmh
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It obviously is what the people want,at least at this moment in time. The people wanted Bernie, if Bernie would have been in hillarys position with her support from the party elite and media,and Hillary would have been in bernies position,then Bernie would have won the primarys against Hillary with a much bigger margin then Hillary now did. But the democrats they didn't dare and or want to give up the previliges of the party elite for a newcomer with who they had almost no connections,they did not give the people what they want despite having the opportunity. And they got punished for it very hard,loosing not only the white house but now facing a republican majority in both chambers. Maybe if they ask sanders nicely again he would be up for the job and transform the party. He could do it,but I personally think that the elite is not ready yet to make a sacrifice. They probably think "let trump mess up for 4 years and we are back in charge again" If sanders would start his own party I think he would have a decent chance at making it a great success and a serious contender. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On November 10 2016 00:03 m4ini wrote:It's retarded, but apparently appealed to the majority of voters. Minority actually. And not even a plurality. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16766 Posts
On November 10 2016 07:27 farvacola wrote: I think you need to seriously reconsider the notion that Trump's protectionist brand of trade politics are going to benefit Canada in any way. has Trump put forth a detailed plan? if he is against Mexico and China it opens up opportunities for other countries. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On November 10 2016 06:59 Tachion wrote: Holy shit that is savage. Those answers read like Trump is a kid trying to bs his way through a book report on something he never read. Gotta agree with this. Reading through Hilary's answers, she appears knowledgeable, and well thought out with clear goals and objectives for most of the answers. There's a very clear division between Trump and the other 3 in terms of both writing capability and clarity. Reading Trump's answers, it feels like he has literally never researched any of this stuff in his life, and has absolutely no idea how to write. We should educate the public on the values of a comprehensive vaccination program. We have been successful with other public service programs and this seems to be of enough importance that we should put resources against this task.. Like what the fuck is that for an answer. Dude literally has no idea what is involved in a lot of those issues. Say what you want about Hilary's past, but she is definitely the most knowledgeable of the 4 on most of the issues. You guys have successfully put the dumbest president ever into office, and surrounded him with religious nutjobs. He might be wealthy, and he might have a personality, but intelligence is definitely not there. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On November 10 2016 07:19 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i hope he does... Ontario got a lot a stuff to sell to New York. NAFTA sucks i hope he scraps it. i got no problem with products and services going across the US/Canada border because we have similar living standards and similar employee pay. I don't want Canada signing some sweetheart trade deal with a country that pays people $0.20 an hour. if mexico has decent labor and political rights they'll eventually raise their wages and the world is far better off. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16766 Posts
On November 10 2016 07:33 oneofthem wrote: if mexico has decent labor and political rights they'll eventually raise their wages and the world is far better off. and if they don't then i don't want to trade with them. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On November 10 2016 07:34 JimmyJRaynor wrote: and if they don't then i don't want to trade with them. thats why you can redo nafta along those lines. not cancel it | ||
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pmh
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Another record chasm (in available data since 1996) was between urban and rural residents. Clinton won in large cities by 59-35 percent; Trump, in small towns and rural areas, 62-34. The suburbs split closely, +5 for Trump. How I see it is that the suburbs are the main reason for Clintons loss,if you want to look for a geographic explanation. The difference in the cities and rural areas is what it is about to be expected,though a bit on the strong side for trump. The suburbs (I vieuw them as beeing around middle class and slightly white leaning) however did vote slightly in favor of trump, and I think it was expected that they would vote slightly in favor of Hillary. This makes a huge difference in the end. It is the failure of clinton to do well in this geographic group that I find the most remarkable when looking at the geography of this election. I think it is the middle class and mostly white suburban voter that gave the presidency to trump,not rural America. And the democrats would do well to recognize this, it is an important economic group with still a lot of votes. They also probably make up a large part of the swing voters,not being stuck in voting patterns as much as rural America or liberal America. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16766 Posts
On November 10 2016 07:35 oneofthem wrote: thats why you can redo nafta along those lines. not cancel it if Trump decides the USA is going to deal differently with Mexico... Canada should just stay out of it and look to capitalize on any new opportunities that arise out of the squabble. if NAFTA gets shreded due to Trump fighting with Mexico.. whatever. I guess Bombardier can make their trains that don't work in Ontario like they used to.. you know.. like back when Bombardier delivered on schedule products that worked. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
it eroded her cushion, then the unaccounted for rural wave did her in | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On November 10 2016 07:44 oneofthem wrote: suburbs is basically emails. it eroded her cushion, then the unaccounted for rural wave did her in And voter suppression. Out of all the reasons she lost it may be one of the most applicable going forward. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
 . Maybe social security and medicare will even start dropping during Trump's presidency LOL. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On November 10 2016 07:12 Logo wrote: Um... https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trump-picks-top-climate-skeptic-to-lead-epa-transition/ Sorry. Yea it's pretty fucked up. http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/10/04/public-views-on-climate-change-and-climate-scientists/ According to that, about half of American's don't believe in man made climate change. Of the ones that do, I wonder how many think of it as an important issue? Trump's scientific illiteracy is one of the core reasons I could never vote for him. If you can't trust the best tested information available, then what do you base your decisions as president off of? gut feeling? Does making decisions in opposition to everything experts tell you is true sound like a good idea to anyone? Science should never have been made a partisan issue. | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On November 10 2016 07:51 Tachion wrote: Science should never have been made a partisan issue. This is probably the biggest saddest truth in all of this. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On November 10 2016 06:26 Kaiwa wrote: I've already been unfriended by 3 people on Facebook for telling them facts. Hmm. Were you an asshole about it? I have Facebook friends who sleep around more than is good for them. But you better believe I'd get unfriended if I posted on their wall about how much of a slut they are. On November 10 2016 03:26 BronzeKnee wrote: Remember that Adolf Hitler and Iran's current government won fair elections too. Democracy has serious flaws. Again, and yes, I will keep repeating this, he lost the popular vote. Also, in what world did either Hitler win the election or Iran hold a fair one? Hitler lost to Hindenburg by 20 points. It was parliamentary maneuvering that brought him to power. And Iran's elections are hardly fair. User was warned for this post | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 10 2016 08:04 Yoav wrote: Were you an asshole about it? I have Facebook friends who sleep around more than is good for them. But you better believe I'd get unfriended if I posted on their wall about how much of a slut they are. I've seen all sorts of sad shit and sobbing on Facebook from my friends (the vast majority of whom are liberal). There really isn't anything to be gained by commenting or throwing in my two cents. Hell, even if I wanted to be mean and rub the election in their faces (which many of them deserve, by the way), there is nothing that I could say that would be worse than the election result itself. Best to just remain silent. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On November 10 2016 08:10 xDaunt wrote: I've seen all sorts of sad shit and sobbing on Facebook from my friends (the vast majority of whom are liberal). There really isn't anything to be gained by commenting or throwing in my two cents. Hell, even if I wanted to be mean and rub the election in their faces (which many of them deserve, by the way), there is nothing that I could say that would be worse than the election result itself. Best to just remain silent. Which is classy, and I'm sure appreciated. | ||
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farvacola
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On_Slaught
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