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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28899 Posts
November 05 2013 00:52 GMT
#12081
On November 05 2013 09:37 DoubleReed wrote:
current day politics? I'm pretty sure that's a time-honored tradition.


haha, more like I meant that current day politics, at least in Norway, isn't actually all that insane. We still have a lot of this though. Historically, stuff like slavery and holocaust makes me angrier than cherrypicked science.
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BallinWitStalin
Profile Joined July 2008
1177 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-05 02:00:23
November 05 2013 01:55 GMT
#12082
On November 05 2013 09:34 Liquid`Drone wrote:
well, according to that I guess she stated that she wanted more relief to fishermen, which I guess is only the former. but then there was the "Warren also said she's not comfortable with the science that the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has relied on to set catch limits." statement, which, while I'm not familiar with this particular piece of science, still represents one of the more/most annoying aspects of current day politics - politicians cherrypicking science and refusing to adhere to science that conflicts with their political stance.


Well, the article quoted is actually poorly written. The article makes it seem like Warren is criticizing the quotas. The assumption that people make when politicians criticize quotas is that they want them lifted. However, it's perfectly logical that Warren may be criticizing the quotas, but from the other direction.

What Warren might be saying is that the quotas as initially set by the scientists were too high, such that the fishery was damaged by overfishing and now the fishermen are suffering due to earlier improper management, in which case they deserve some relief (an argument I feel that is worth some merit).

However, if she is saying the quotas should be currently higher, then she can go to hell. Let the scientists who study it do the best they can with their imperfect information. If they say stocks are too low right now to fish, leave the fish alone. For the record, the fact that the quotas were improperly set in the first place might not entirely be the fault of the scientists, as that stuff is often subject to political pressure (hence why people might be making incorrect assumptions about Warren).

In summary, the article just doesn't have enough information on Warren's stance, and she might not be supporting the "wrong" side.


Also for the record (again), I would also like to say that the fisheries laws being reviewed by congress are currently awesome. I know people like to hate on Americans a lot (e.g. your shitty healthcare system and the discussion about it in this thread), but America has some of the best managed fisheries in the world. You guys take a very proactive and rigorous approach to stock management and assessment, with mandated limits such that if stocks drop below certain scientifically established levels, quotas are immediately (by law) reduced or eliminated. It's good shit. While not a fisheries biologist, fish are my study system, and I do know a bit about it. You guys are getting it right, especially compared to Canada where we, as a matter of routine, completely fuck/extirpate one fish stock after another. While not perfect (things could always be better), as a country you're not doing bad managing your fisheries.

That being said, it fucking sucks that these laws are getting reviewed by your batshit crazy republican congress. Being a completely reasonable and sensible set of fisheries management laws, I see little hope of it passing your insane house.
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Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
November 05 2013 01:58 GMT
#12083
On November 05 2013 09:52 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 09:37 DoubleReed wrote:
current day politics? I'm pretty sure that's a time-honored tradition.


haha, more like I meant that current day politics, at least in Norway, isn't actually all that insane. We still have a lot of this though. Historically, stuff like slavery and holocaust makes me angrier than cherrypicked science.

being the richest country in the world and not pathologically fearing socialism does that to you. plus all those swedes you import as your laborers in a delicious revenge fantasy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 05 2013 02:17 GMT
#12084
The Senate voted to proceed with a landmark anti-bias gay rights bill Monday, reflecting the dramatic shift in national attitudes towards the acceptance of homosexuality that has taken place since similar anti-discrimination legislation was rejected by lawmakers two decades ago.

By a vote of 61-30, the Senate effectively ended a filibuster, allowing it to debate the Employee Non-Discrimination Act of 2013.

The legislation would prohibit workplace discrimination against gay, bisexual and transgender Americans. The bill is expected to pass a final senate vote, but is slated to face strong opposition in the Republican-dominated House of Representatives.

A reminder of some lawmakers’ lingering resistance to equal rights for gay men and women resonated in Maine, as six-term Democratic Rep. Mike Michaud, who is running for governor with a slight edge over the opposition in opinion polls, said he was gay and questioned whether it still mattered to voters.

"Yes I am (gay). But why should it matter?" Michaud said, in a bid to maintain his constituency.

Hours before Monday's Senate procedural vote, President Barack Obama issued a fresh plea for passage of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, the first significant gay rights bill since Congress lifted the ban on gays serving openly in the military nearly three years ago.

"Americans ought to be judged by one thing only in their workplaces: their ability to get their jobs done," the president said in a message written for the Huffington Post. "Does it make a difference if the firefighter who rescues you is gay — or the accountant who does your taxes or the mechanic who fixes your car?"

Following Monday's vote, the White House said the president welcomes the “senate’s bipartisan first step” toward the law’s enactment.


Source
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 05 2013 16:40 GMT
#12085
Election day:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2013/11/05/243030929/on-the-ballot-tuesday-marijuana-gambling-gmos-and-more
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 05 2013 19:06 GMT
#12086
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) was busted in what may have been another incident of plagiarism on Monday.

As first reported by BuzzFeed, there are unmistakable similarities between an opinion piece Paul wrote for The Washington Times on drug sentencing in September, and an article written by Dan Stewart of The Week a week earlier.

BuzzFeed highlighted two excerpts from Stewart's piece -- an introduction to mandatory minimum sentences for drug offenses and the story of a man affected by them -- from which Paul appears to have borrowed heavily.

Stewart wrote this in the introduction of his piece:

At least 20 states, both red and blue, have reformed their mandatory sentencing laws in some way, and Congress is considering a bipartisan bill that would do the same for federal crimes.

Paul's op-ed included the same sentence -- with the addition of a hyphen:

At least 20 states, both red and blue, have reformed their mandatory-sentencing laws in some way, and Congress is considering a bipartisan bill that would do the same for federal crimes.

Stewart wrote this about John Horner, a man who sold his own painkillers to a friend:

He will be 72 by the time he is released, and his three young children will have grown up without him. “Matt,” who turned out to have a long history of drug offenses, was more fortunate -- he received a reduced sentence of just 18 months after informing on Horner, and is now free.

And here's how Paul recounted Horner's story:

John will be 72 years old by the time he is released, and his three young children will have grown up without him. The informant, who had a long history of drug offenses, was more fortunate -- he received a reduced sentence of just 18 months, and is now free.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22626 Posts
November 05 2013 19:33 GMT
#12087
On November 06 2013 04:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) was busted in what may have been another incident of plagiarism on Monday.

As first reported by BuzzFeed, there are unmistakable similarities between an opinion piece Paul wrote for The Washington Times on drug sentencing in September, and an article written by Dan Stewart of The Week a week earlier.

BuzzFeed highlighted two excerpts from Stewart's piece -- an introduction to mandatory minimum sentences for drug offenses and the story of a man affected by them -- from which Paul appears to have borrowed heavily.

Stewart wrote this in the introduction of his piece:

At least 20 states, both red and blue, have reformed their mandatory sentencing laws in some way, and Congress is considering a bipartisan bill that would do the same for federal crimes.

Paul's op-ed included the same sentence -- with the addition of a hyphen:

At least 20 states, both red and blue, have reformed their mandatory-sentencing laws in some way, and Congress is considering a bipartisan bill that would do the same for federal crimes.

Stewart wrote this about John Horner, a man who sold his own painkillers to a friend:

He will be 72 by the time he is released, and his three young children will have grown up without him. “Matt,” who turned out to have a long history of drug offenses, was more fortunate -- he received a reduced sentence of just 18 months after informing on Horner, and is now free.

And here's how Paul recounted Horner's story:

John will be 72 years old by the time he is released, and his three young children will have grown up without him. The informant, who had a long history of drug offenses, was more fortunate -- he received a reduced sentence of just 18 months, and is now free.


Source

Does his speechwriter never learn? You would think that after getting caught twice before they would stop doing it....
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Mercy13
Profile Joined January 2011
United States718 Posts
November 05 2013 19:48 GMT
#12088
Interesting article on healthcare costs in the US:

That still leaves the question of why spending varies so spectacularly. Age, sex and health status account for some of the difference—after controlling for these, factors such as race and income have little effect. The other big driver of variation in Medicare spending is the use of so-called post-acute care, such as services in skilled nursing facilities. Once the researchers controlled for post-acute care, the variation in spending dropped by 73%.

. . .

The Centres for Medicare and Medicare Services (CMS) sets a price for Medicare services, adjusted for various regional input costs. In contrast, private insurers negotiate payment rates with hospitals. In areas with a dominant hospital chain, prices are likely to be higher. The IOM reports that price mark-ups account for 70% of the variation in commercial spending.

. . .

For Medicare patients, most variation comes from differences in patients’ health status and the overuse of a particular service, post-acute care. For privately insured patients, price gaps are to blame.

. . .

Thanks to the Affordable Care Act or “Obamacare”, CMS is already exploring ways to reward better, more efficient hospitals. Accountable Care Organisations (ACOs), for example, reward networks of doctors for keeping costs below a benchmark. Bundled payments pay a set price for an entire episode of care, rather than a fee for each service. Similar experiments are underway in the private sector. UnitedHealthcare, a giant health insurer, has already linked some hospital payments to measures of quality and efficiency. This month United said it would more than double these contracts, from $20 billion today to $50 billion by 2017.

Source
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
November 05 2013 21:34 GMT
#12089
On November 06 2013 04:33 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 04:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) was busted in what may have been another incident of plagiarism on Monday.

As first reported by BuzzFeed, there are unmistakable similarities between an opinion piece Paul wrote for The Washington Times on drug sentencing in September, and an article written by Dan Stewart of The Week a week earlier.

BuzzFeed highlighted two excerpts from Stewart's piece -- an introduction to mandatory minimum sentences for drug offenses and the story of a man affected by them -- from which Paul appears to have borrowed heavily.

Stewart wrote this in the introduction of his piece:

At least 20 states, both red and blue, have reformed their mandatory sentencing laws in some way, and Congress is considering a bipartisan bill that would do the same for federal crimes.

Paul's op-ed included the same sentence -- with the addition of a hyphen:

At least 20 states, both red and blue, have reformed their mandatory-sentencing laws in some way, and Congress is considering a bipartisan bill that would do the same for federal crimes.

Stewart wrote this about John Horner, a man who sold his own painkillers to a friend:

He will be 72 by the time he is released, and his three young children will have grown up without him. “Matt,” who turned out to have a long history of drug offenses, was more fortunate -- he received a reduced sentence of just 18 months after informing on Horner, and is now free.

And here's how Paul recounted Horner's story:

John will be 72 years old by the time he is released, and his three young children will have grown up without him. The informant, who had a long history of drug offenses, was more fortunate -- he received a reduced sentence of just 18 months, and is now free.


Source

Does his speechwriter never learn? You would think that after getting caught twice before they would stop doing it....


I somehow think "speechwriter" is too generous at this point.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-06 00:11:15
November 06 2013 00:09 GMT
#12090
Results should be in within the next couple of hours. New Jersey, and New York is a given. All eyes are on Virginia.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 06 2013 00:20 GMT
#12091
SPRINGFIELD, Ill. (AP) -- Historic votes Tuesday in the Illinois Legislature positioned that state to become the largest in the heartland to legalize gay marriage, following months of arduous lobbying efforts by both sides in President Barack Obama's home state.

Under the measure, which the state House approved 61-54 before sending it on to the Senate for technical changes, gay weddings could be held in Illinois starting in June. The bill heads next to Gov. Pat Quinn, who has pledged to sign it but didn't immediately indicate when.

Fourteen states plus Washington D.C., allow same-sex marriage. Most recently, New Jersey, Minnesota and Rhode Island have legalized it.

The road to the Illinois vote was long with stalled attempts earlier this year, something that frustrated activists in the state where Democrats lead the House, Senate and governor's office. Chicago Democratic Rep. Greg Harris, who is the sponsor of the bill, decided not to bring the bill for a vote in May because he said he simply didn't have the support.

Then the U.S. Supreme Court ruled to strike down a provision of the federal Defense of Marriage Act, something he said resonated with lawmakers. Backers also launched a furious campaign, hiring a lobbyist from the state's largest union, the former head of the Illinois Republican Party and field organizers spanning the state.

"To treat all our citizens equally in the eyes of the law we must change this," Harris said on the floor. "Families have been kept apart."

Debate lasted more than two hours, and the final roll call was met with hearty cheers and applause. Supporters' speeches echoed themes of equality and civil rights with mentions of Obama, Martin Luther King Jr. and Matthew Shepard, a gay college student whose 1998 death sparked numerous hate crime bills.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-06 01:06:46
November 06 2013 00:53 GMT
#12092
On November 06 2013 06:34 DoubleReed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 04:33 Gorsameth wrote:
On November 06 2013 04:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) was busted in what may have been another incident of plagiarism on Monday.

As first reported by BuzzFeed, there are unmistakable similarities between an opinion piece Paul wrote for The Washington Times on drug sentencing in September, and an article written by Dan Stewart of The Week a week earlier.

BuzzFeed highlighted two excerpts from Stewart's piece -- an introduction to mandatory minimum sentences for drug offenses and the story of a man affected by them -- from which Paul appears to have borrowed heavily.

Stewart wrote this in the introduction of his piece:

At least 20 states, both red and blue, have reformed their mandatory sentencing laws in some way, and Congress is considering a bipartisan bill that would do the same for federal crimes.

Paul's op-ed included the same sentence -- with the addition of a hyphen:

At least 20 states, both red and blue, have reformed their mandatory-sentencing laws in some way, and Congress is considering a bipartisan bill that would do the same for federal crimes.

Stewart wrote this about John Horner, a man who sold his own painkillers to a friend:

He will be 72 by the time he is released, and his three young children will have grown up without him. “Matt,” who turned out to have a long history of drug offenses, was more fortunate -- he received a reduced sentence of just 18 months after informing on Horner, and is now free.

And here's how Paul recounted Horner's story:

John will be 72 years old by the time he is released, and his three young children will have grown up without him. The informant, who had a long history of drug offenses, was more fortunate -- he received a reduced sentence of just 18 months, and is now free.


Source

Does his speechwriter never learn? You would think that after getting caught twice before they would stop doing it....


I somehow think "speechwriter" is too generous at this point.

At this point, Paul just seems incredibly ignorant (willfully or otherwise) as to what plagiarism is. As well as ignorant to the fact that it has hindered presidential nominee candidates in the past, such as Joe Biden in 1988 when his aides lifted passages from Robert F. Kennedy, John F. Kennedy, and Hurbert H. Humphrey.
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screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
November 06 2013 01:34 GMT
#12093
Wow, the demographics in VA sure are changing since I left. Looks like the GOP needs to get to work on new gerrymandering! :D

This would have been a pipe-dream back when I lived there lol:


Democrats possibly having control over both U.S. Senate seats (Mark Warner and Tim Kaine), the governor’s mansion (McAuliffe), lieutenant governor (Ralph Northam), and attorney general (Mark Herring) would be quite the feat in this key swing state.


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DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-06 02:10:20
November 06 2013 02:04 GMT
#12094
Holy crap this is a close race.

75% reporting and they are within 2% of each other (with the cooch leading). I think most of the red counties have been counted though.

http://electionresults.virginia.gov/resultsSW.aspx?type=SWR&map=CTY

Edit: lol that site broke. I got a SQL message about too many requests. You can also go here:
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2013/results?rr
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 06 2013 02:12 GMT
#12095
Yeah it's all in the Northern Counties which lean Democratic votes but how many democrats actually bothered to vote i.e. Women.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-06 02:21:02
November 06 2013 02:19 GMT
#12096
The impression I got from the polls was that it was a lot more in favor of McAuliffe, and Sarvis would get more (I thought he would get more like 8%). Sadly he's not going to be breaking double digits. It's always nice to see third party candidates, especially when they take votes away from the crazy tea party guy.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
November 06 2013 02:20 GMT
#12097
Its weird how the one race that probably should have been easiest (governor's race) is turning out to be the closest one. I think that really does say how terrible a candidate Terry McAuliffe actually is that he is running so close in this race and might actually lose.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 06 2013 02:21 GMT
#12098
McCaulliffe was up by double digits last month. He is getting weighed down by the Obamacare anchor.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
November 06 2013 02:24 GMT
#12099
On November 06 2013 11:21 xDaunt wrote:
McCaulliffe was up by double digits last month. He is getting weighed down by the Obamacare anchor.


It really is all about the moment. If this election is held 2 months earlier before the site launch or 2 months later after everyone is done signing up and people probably look back on it as overreacting then Terry McAuliffe probably wins it in the landslide it should be but that doesn't explain why this race is so close and why it looks like he will barely win.
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
November 06 2013 02:24 GMT
#12100
Possible. He's also an awful candidate. Daily Show says it best, really:

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