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Deleted User 173346
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#119981
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Deleted User 173346
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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
November 09 2016 00:31 GMT
#119983
On November 09 2016 09:30 plasmidghost wrote:
Virginia should tip in favor of Clinton when the big cities report in, right?


Yes. Virgina is not in play. If you want to get a good feel of how the presidential race is going look at the senate numbers. For example Rubio being up 8 in flordia when he will probably win by 4-5 means that the Trump portions of the state are mostly reporting. Obviously CNN has it broken down much better (or whatever you are watching) but this is a rough way to do it.
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
November 09 2016 00:31 GMT
#119984
All Swings should tend to blue when the big cities hit in.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 00:32:08
November 09 2016 00:31 GMT
#119985
Keep this in mind as you watch Florida flip back and forth: *even if* Clinton loses Florida, it being roughly even is about where the polls/538's model put her going into today. While demographics obviously shift across the country, even a narrow win there is a sign for a rough path for Trump.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 09 2016 00:31 GMT
#119986
All the Republican safe states reporting early and making this look one-sided.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
November 09 2016 00:32 GMT
#119987
On November 09 2016 08:58 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 08:51 Probe1 wrote:
On November 09 2016 08:42 Nevuk wrote:
On November 09 2016 08:36 Probe1 wrote:
On November 09 2016 08:30 GreenHorizons wrote:
I know it's just the first 1%'s coming in but seeing Trump leading in all of these early results is surreal.

They're states Republicans would even win if the anti-christ was on the ballot. It's a little jarring yeah but 4000 people and it's freaking Kentucky.

The only Democrats they've voted for in a long long time have been southern boys themselves.

Hm? KY is a weird state. Fiscally liberal, socially conservative. It went for Clinton in 92+ 96 and is actually very democratic leaning below the federal level (It's like the only southern state that still has democrats in control of the state house). It actually has the county with the longest streak of voting democratic in the country (since like 1830 or something absurd).

Hillary is in trouble in KY for her coal miners going out of business comment, but it'll probably be closer than 2008/2012 were (there was pretty obvious racism against Obama). There were some google consumer surveys that did show her winning in KY, but those were some serious outliers. It'll probably be like 10% or something, but KY isn't like Montana or Utah (in normal years).

Have you visited it? I've never been to a place in KY that isn't deeply, deeply conservative to the point of being regressive.

It changes over time but man, that place is red.

I've lived there almost all my life, and my mother is from Eastern KY. It's a very hard place to pin down. Like all states the cities are heavily democratic, though Lexington to a lesser degree than Louisville. Lexington is basically where you want to go if you're religious but still gay (very high gay population, but extremely religious).

It's conservative, not red. Basically there are still "blue-dog" democrats here, even though they've died out almost everywhere else. It's why Bill Clinton won it pretty easily be tossing some conservative talking points and seeming southern in the 90s. Eastern KY is so hard to get a handle on for most people because it's like traveling back in time about 90 years. Like, cable etc. isn't available for many of the most rural and mountainous areas, so there's no acceleration of ideology due to Fox News. Even talk radio is hard to get in the eastern parts of the state, so it is mostly just seeping through from conversations.

Basically : the western part is insanely red, the central part is mildly blue, the eastern part is confused (leans red nationally, blue locally).
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On November 09 2016 08:53 ticklishmusic wrote:
On November 09 2016 08:51 Probe1 wrote:
On November 09 2016 08:42 Nevuk wrote:
On November 09 2016 08:36 Probe1 wrote:
On November 09 2016 08:30 GreenHorizons wrote:
I know it's just the first 1%'s coming in but seeing Trump leading in all of these early results is surreal.

They're states Republicans would even win if the anti-christ was on the ballot. It's a little jarring yeah but 4000 people and it's freaking Kentucky.

The only Democrats they've voted for in a long long time have been southern boys themselves.

Hm? KY is a weird state. Fiscally liberal, socially conservative. It went for Clinton in 92+ 96 and is actually very democratic leaning below the federal level (It's like the only southern state that still has democrats in control of the state house). It actually has the county with the longest streak of voting democratic in the country (since like 1830 or something absurd).

Hillary is in trouble in KY for her coal miners going out of business comment, but it'll probably be closer than 2008/2012 were (there was pretty obvious racism against Obama). There were some google consumer surveys that did show her winning in KY, but those were some serious outliers. It'll probably be like 10% or something, but KY isn't like Montana or Utah (in normal years).

Have you visited it? I've never been to a place in KY that isn't deeply, deeply conservative to the point of being regressive.

It changes over time but man, that place is red.


In addition, the reason they refer to rural Pennsylvania as Pennsyltucky is NOT because of Kentucky's fiscal liberalness.

KY is fiscally liberal but hates admitting it. They're very much in favor of subsidies for horse farming, farmers, and coal miners.

I see. I do not want to argue against your lifetime of experience when I've just been a visitor.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14128 Posts
November 09 2016 00:32 GMT
#119988
Happy US election day everyone.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
November 09 2016 00:32 GMT
#119989
can i get drunk yet
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 09 2016 00:32 GMT
#119990
On November 09 2016 09:31 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Keep this in mind as you watch Florida flip back and forth: *even if* Clinton loses Florida, it being roughly even is about where the polls/538's model put her going into today. While demographics obviously shift across the country, even a narrow win there is a sign for a rough path for Trump.

State-by-state results are not independent. If Hillary loses Florida it suggests that reality skews Trump relative to polls.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42400 Posts
November 09 2016 00:32 GMT
#119991
On November 09 2016 09:32 riotjune wrote:
can i get drunk yet


Yes.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
November 09 2016 00:33 GMT
#119992
On November 09 2016 09:30 plasmidghost wrote:
Virginia should tip in favor of Clinton when the big cities report in, right?

think so too:

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the circles is what's left and how much that accoutns for
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43989 Posts
November 09 2016 00:33 GMT
#119993
A narrow win for Trump in Florida is not the kind of national swing he'll need to break the firewall. He needs a serious polling error across the board. If Florida polled correctly and gives him a narrow victory there then that's actually bad news for him.
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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7170 Posts
November 09 2016 00:33 GMT
#119994
i wish i had beer. If im gonna stay awake to watch this, might as well do it alocholised
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9847 Posts
November 09 2016 00:34 GMT
#119995
On November 09 2016 09:32 riotjune wrote:
can i get drunk yet

Yes.
I recommend you stay drunk until about 2020.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Howie_Dewitt
Profile Joined March 2014
United States1416 Posts
November 09 2016 00:34 GMT
#119996
On November 09 2016 09:32 riotjune wrote:
can i get drunk yet

drink a shot for every 20 ec points in favor of the other candidate
Sisyphus had a good gig going, the disappointment was predictable. | Visions of the Country (1978) is for when you're lost.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 09 2016 00:34 GMT
#119997
Will Nate Silver come out ahead in his feud with the forecasters who predict a Hillary easy win? My statistics sense is tingling.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
November 09 2016 00:34 GMT
#119998
On November 09 2016 09:32 Sermokala wrote:
Happy US election day everyone.

Heyoo

User was warned for this post
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
November 09 2016 00:35 GMT
#119999
On November 09 2016 09:32 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 09:31 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Keep this in mind as you watch Florida flip back and forth: *even if* Clinton loses Florida, it being roughly even is about where the polls/538's model put her going into today. While demographics obviously shift across the country, even a narrow win there is a sign for a rough path for Trump.

State-by-state results are not independent. If Hillary loses Florida it suggests that reality skews Trump relative to polls.


Yes, but if she loses narrowly it is unlikely it skews Trump enough to win him the election.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 09 2016 00:36 GMT
#120000
On November 09 2016 09:32 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 09:31 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Keep this in mind as you watch Florida flip back and forth: *even if* Clinton loses Florida, it being roughly even is about where the polls/538's model put her going into today. While demographics obviously shift across the country, even a narrow win there is a sign for a rough path for Trump.

State-by-state results are not independent. If Hillary loses Florida it suggests that reality skews Trump relative to polls.


According to 538 a Florida win for Clinton means a 93% chance of victory. A Florida win for Trump means a 59% chance of victory for him.
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