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RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
November 05 2016 03:50 GMT
#118501
Yeah the internet is a place where people's thoughts are connected in the freest form possible.

Not going to restrict that, nope. That's tyranny.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 05 2016 03:56 GMT
#118502
Already is. Will be more restricted, especially as governments it for clandestine actions against other nations infrastructure.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43987 Posts
November 05 2016 03:58 GMT
#118503
On November 05 2016 12:50 RealityIsKing wrote:
Yeah the internet is a place where people's thoughts are connected in the freest form possible.

Not going to restrict that, nope. That's tyranny.

Trump said:
We’re losing a lot of people because of the Internet. We have to see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what’s happening. We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that Internet up in some way. Somebody will say, ‘Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech,' these are foolish people.

Are you a foolish person?
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-05 04:04:42
November 05 2016 04:00 GMT
#118504
On November 05 2016 12:50 RealityIsKing wrote:
Yeah the internet is a place where people's thoughts are connected in the freest form possible.

Not going to restrict that, nope. That's tyranny.

Disclaimer: I'm not that knowledgeable about this subject, so I don't mean this as at all authoritative.

I think it's very likely that as the internet integrates more and more with real life, our real life identities will be ever more intertwined with our online ones.

The complete wild west of the past (and sort of wild west of right now) has its upsides (quite a lot of them actually), but it doesn't feel like it's something that will last.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Internet_usage
Looking at how fast we are moving towards ubiquitous internet usage, what worked for a system of 360~ million users in 2000 might not work for a system with 7.5 billion in 2020 or whatever.

I hope there's a way to maintain the possibility of anonymity, though, don't get me wrong.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 05 2016 04:06 GMT
#118505
It is not only the growing percentage of the population, but the democratization of media creation tools. The learning curve for photo and video editing has been lower.

I don't think we will see regulation of the internet as a whole. More like segmentation into "two internets", one more regulated and with more safety systems. Where it will be easier to track down people using it. And the current, wild west internet we know.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
November 05 2016 04:10 GMT
#118506
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OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
November 05 2016 04:11 GMT
#118507
Internet anonymity has a lot of pros and cons for sure. Taking away anonymity opens its own pandora's box of awful side effects as well. A lot of people think having your name out there is a miracle cure but everyone has shitty friends or family that post awful stuff on facebook where there name and face is right there beside the awful shit they're saying. Both ways have good sides and bad but I think people get really short sighted on the no anonymity side. It comes with a ton of terrible problems of its own.
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Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
November 05 2016 04:19 GMT
#118508
Quick reminder of the community disaster that was Blizzard Real ID
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 05 2016 04:22 GMT
#118509
On November 05 2016 13:19 Tachion wrote:
Quick reminder of the community disaster that was Blizzard Real ID

It was also ham fisted and poorly implemented. Also gamers suck. We all play mutiplayer games and know this. That isn't really what people are talking about anyways.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
November 05 2016 04:24 GMT
#118510
I don't remember it exactly, but iirc I clicked on a link in this thread and I came across something along the lines of this:

At first people would say, "No I'll use my real name, I don't care".

Then the death threats started coming in.


It was in relation to being a Trump supporter, but still...
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-05 04:28:16
November 05 2016 04:27 GMT
#118511
Remember that the people who are sending the death threats are anonymous. If they also had to use their real name, it would be a level playing field. The example doesn't work unless all sides are required to use their real names and face the consequences for their actions.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-05 05:30:29
November 05 2016 04:28 GMT
#118512
On November 05 2016 13:27 Plansix wrote:
Remember that the people who are sending the death threats are anonymous. If they also had to use their real name, it would be a level playing field. The example doesn't work unless all sides are required to use their real names and face the consequences for their actions.


Yeah, but it's not the ones sending the words that you have to be worried about.

I like to think of it in the same way as books. You don't have to publish under your own name. Why would it be any different in digital form? I'm asking the question because I haven't thought about it at all.

Giving it some minor thought, it seems like a very complex question what with the differences between e-mail, social media, posting on a blog, being a part of an editor team on an opinion-based website, or whatever other means of communicating ideas and thoughts there might be as part of the internet.
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
November 05 2016 04:37 GMT
#118513
On November 05 2016 12:08 RealityIsKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2016 12:01 hunts wrote:
On November 05 2016 11:57 xDaunt wrote:
That's not a settlement dismissal in that rape case. That's a "plaintiff wants nothing to do with further litigation" type of dismissal-- probably because it's a bullshit claim. I can tell the difference between the two based upon the sub part of the rule cited.


"don't worry guys trumps innocent even though no proof of it, clearly despite evidence of her receiving death threats from trumpkins she's doing it because there's no case, not because of death threats."


Its better if we focus on what's tangible and what are speculations.

If she really did got death threats, if she collected all the necessary evidence, this would hurt Trump's chances badly which means Hillary wins.

And Clinton administration would most likely protect her.

So chances are that she was bullshitting.


Please don't judge a rape accuser to be bullshitting without taking into the account the shame and pain inherent in going public. It's just not smart.
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
November 05 2016 04:38 GMT
#118514
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-05 04:42:23
November 05 2016 04:39 GMT
#118515
On November 05 2016 13:38 plasmidghost wrote:
How good is Reuters polls? Their new poll has Hillary ahead by 5, which sounds good, but yesterday it was +7. I really need to stop obsessing over these

Averages of polls are more telling than individual polls anyways. Just let it go, it will happen as it does and at this point the most you can do is vote.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 05 2016 04:41 GMT
#118516
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Mysticesper
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1183 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-05 04:45:06
November 05 2016 04:43 GMT
#118517
On November 05 2016 13:10 plasmidghost wrote:
Looks like Hillary has stopped some of the bleeding on her chances of winning according to 538, her odds will probably level out at around 61% if nothing else major gets released


I could see trump getting everything and hillary keeping her firewall in tact. something like 268-272 or something in the end.
I think an early signal will be what NH / Maine 2 are doing, since they will be among the first to close, and thus trends will start to be established to feel out Trump / Hillary's support.

then OFC NC and Florida since he kinda needs them.

The only way for trump to win, imo, is getting either NH or Colorado. This assumes this condition:
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Rest of the states feels like a stretch.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 05 2016 04:45 GMT
#118518
Will Trump get over 240 and make PEC look like fools (they say that they will have to reconsider their model if Trump passes that number)? We shall see.

I would enjoy more statistics banter. Elections are honestly much more interesting than sports stats anyways.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
November 05 2016 04:45 GMT
#118519
Combine this with Trump Model Management using illegal workers, and Trump's construction projects using illegal and/or seasonal foreign workers. On even his signature issue, Trump is a fraud in his actions.

He has given us no reason to believe he would be any better as a politician than he is in his business and personal lives. A vote for Trump is a vote for myopic political bias before country.

Melania Trump was paid for 10 modeling jobs in the United States worth $20,056 that occurred in the seven weeks before she had legal permission to work in the country, according to detailed accounting ledgers, contracts and related documents from 20 years ago provided to The Associated Press.


Yahoo
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
November 05 2016 04:54 GMT
#118520
On November 05 2016 13:38 plasmidghost wrote:
How good is Reuters polls? Their new poll has Hillary ahead by 5, which sounds good, but yesterday it was +7. I really need to stop obsessing over these


Even the same polling outfitter can get random variations due to differences in sampling. Polling aggregators are much stronger due to the increase in sample size you get by combining multiple polls. I would recommend the Princeton Election Consortium run by Sam Wang over 538 as his model is purely state poll based.
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