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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On November 05 2016 11:57 xDaunt wrote: That's not a settlement dismissal in that rape case. That's a "plaintiff wants nothing to do with further litigation" type of dismissal-- probably because it's a bullshit claim. I can tell the difference between the two based upon the sub part of the rule cited. "don't worry guys trumps innocent even though no proof of it, clearly despite evidence of her receiving death threats from trumpkins she's doing it because there's no case, not because of death threats." | ||
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RealityIsKing
613 Posts
On November 05 2016 11:36 DemigodcelpH wrote: Not true at all. Trump is always graded on a curve. Hillary is not. The media is the only reason someone as ignorant as Trump is competitive to begin with, and they have given him hundreds of millions of dollars of free coverage. And among all of that free coverage he actually gets less negative coverage than Hillary despite, ironically, being the vastly more negative candidate. Funny how that works. Hillary sneezes and it's a scandal. Trump talks about how he could shoot someone and they barely cover it. Oh and Trump is not anti-establishment. He's a corrupt media executive billionaire (or some would say "billionaire") who has the entire GOP war-chest behind it. There are more chance of Hillary of convicted as guilty by the justice system of being corrupt than Trump being convicted. The evidence against Hillary have been much more convincing. And beside even if both are found guilty, Hillary's scale of corruption is way above Trump's. Also Trump is not exactly ignorant. I think the difference between Trump and Hillary's policies comes down to this: a global capitalism society vs nationalistic capitalism. A global capitalism only works for the country if the government trickles down the taxes gained from corporate money earned from foreign labors into improving the daily lives of our people AND/OR companies innovate their work flow to create physically easier jobs for the American people. That have been largely Obama's 8 year plan, which haven't been working for most of the Americans thus far. Trump's plan does come with a risk that the foreign country investment might be cut off and thus losing revenue but if the gamble pays off and that he can properly negotiate a better deal for America, we will see a decrease in debt which is beneficial. Either way the number of jobs that can get churned out per year by American companies is finite per year. So just based upon common sense and logic, people in third world countries will grab some of the jobs that would otherwise by positioned for us Americans. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On November 05 2016 11:57 xDaunt wrote: That's not a settlement dismissal in that rape case. That's a "plaintiff wants nothing to do with further litigation" type of dismissal-- probably because it's a bullshit claim. I can tell the difference between the two based upon the sub part of the rule cited. Lol no you can't. We don't know whether it was a valid claim, but we also don't know that it was a bullshit claim. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 05 2016 12:03 Doodsmack wrote: Lol no you can't. We don't know whether it was a valid claim, but we also don't know that it was a bullshit claim. I'm only saying conclusively that it's a claim that the plaintiff clearly wants nothing to do with. I then say that it is probable that it's a bullshit claim. | ||
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oBlade
United States5571 Posts
On November 05 2016 12:01 hunts wrote: "don't worry guys trumps innocent even though no proof of it, clearly despite evidence of her receiving death threats from trumpkins she's doing it because there's no case, not because of death threats." Who are you quoting and why have they defenestrated the presumption of innocence? | ||
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RealityIsKing
613 Posts
On November 05 2016 12:01 hunts wrote: "don't worry guys trumps innocent even though no proof of it, clearly despite evidence of her receiving death threats from trumpkins she's doing it because there's no case, not because of death threats." Its better if we focus on what's tangible and what are speculations. If she really did got death threats, if she collected all the necessary evidence, this would hurt Trump's chances badly which means Hillary wins. And Clinton administration would most likely protect her. So chances are that she was bullshitting. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 05 2016 11:57 xDaunt wrote: That's not a settlement dismissal in that rape case. That's a "plaintiff wants nothing to do with further litigation" type of dismissal-- probably because it's a bullshit claim. I can tell the difference between the two based upon the sub part of the rule cited. You full well know that the complaint could be dismissed without ever taking about money changing hands. You could also be correct too. We simply don't know for sure, so it's what we feel is more likely. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23209 Posts
On November 05 2016 11:55 Doodsmack wrote: Hopefully at some point in the future, anonymity on the internet will be disallowed  . The negatives are just too great.Pretty sure they have that over in China, I'm sure they'd love for us to follow their lead. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 05 2016 12:09 Plansix wrote: You full well know that the complaint could be dismissed without ever taking about money changing hands. You could also be correct too. We simply don't know for sure, so it's what we feel is more likely. Technically, it can happen. But that isn't Trump's MO. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 05 2016 12:12 xDaunt wrote: Technically, it can happen. But that isn't Trump's MO. Agreed. So it was either bullshit or had so much meat to it that his lawyers pushed him to settle it without her publicly withdrawing the claim. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On November 05 2016 12:08 RealityIsKing wrote: Its better if we focus on what's tangible and what are speculations. If she really did got death threats, if she collected all the necessary evidence, this would hurt Trump's chances badly which means Hillary wins. And Clinton administration would most likely protect her. So chances are that she was bullshitting. Coming out at this time would smear her name with a lot of the country for the rest of her life, putting her under intense scrutiny for years. That sounds absolutely horrible. What if she has a family, kids? Is it worth putting them in danger over this? Even winning the case doesn't guarantee that it won't ruin her life or the lives of her family for years to come. It's a lot to consider, and I don't blame her for not coming forward under the circumstances. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 05 2016 12:17 Tachion wrote: Coming out at this time would smear her name with a lot of the country for the rest of her life, putting her under intense scrutiny for years. That sounds absolutely horrible. What if she has a family, kids? Is it worth putting them in danger over this? Even winning the case doesn't guarantee that it won't ruin her life or the lives of her family for years to come. It's a lot to consider and I don't blame her not coming forward under the circumstances. Presuming that the claim is good enough, it very well could be worth the risk. That is an 8-figure claim on paper. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On November 05 2016 11:36 DemigodcelpH wrote: Not true at all. Trump is always graded on a curve. Hillary is not. The media is the only reason someone as ignorant as Trump is competitive to begin with, and they have given him hundreds of millions of dollars of free coverage. And among all of that free coverage he actually gets less negative coverage than Hillary despite, ironically, being the vastly more negative candidate. Funny how that works. Hillary sneezes and it's a scandal. Trump talks about how he could shoot someone and they barely cover it. Oh and Trump is not anti-establishment. He's a corrupt media executive billionaire (or some would say "billionaire") who has the entire GOP war-chest behind it. That last statement is something I've always wondered about, why people don't see this. You can argue that Hillary is controlled by her corporate donors, but Trump is the establishment that funds the candidates. If she's the puppet, he's the puppet master | ||
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RealityIsKing
613 Posts
On November 05 2016 12:28 plasmidghost wrote: That last statement is something I've always wondered about, why people don't see this. You can argue that Hillary is controlled by her corporate donors, but Trump is the establishment that funds the candidates. If she's the puppet, he's the puppet master Which makes him a perfect killer to kill the establishment. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
Obama interview with Bill Maher. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On November 05 2016 12:10 GreenHorizons wrote: Pretty sure they have that over in China, I'm sure they'd love for us to follow their lead. Korea sort of has it too. I mean the names aren't displayed, but I don't think you can make an account anywhere without using your social security number. There are upsides to it I guess, but I'd be curious to know how much it has really impacted the serious trolling / online harassment that (if I'm not miss-remembering) that it was implemented to combat... On November 05 2016 12:39 RealityIsKing wrote: Which makes him a perfect killer to kill the establishment. ... by committing suicide (metaphorically)? | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On November 05 2016 12:39 RealityIsKing wrote: Which makes him a perfect killer to kill the establishment. Perhaps, given that the vast majority of the establishment has come out against him | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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