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On October 20 2016 01:30 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 01:21 Logo wrote:On October 20 2016 01:06 KwarK wrote:
I expect no changes from Clinton. Why would she adjust a winning strategy? This election is pretty much done at this point. We're less than 3 weeks out and Texas is looking more competitive than Pennsylvania (Trump has gone allin on flipping PA, even though PA isn't a swing state, it's a bold strategy Cotton). Even if a new strategy for Clinton is low risk/high reward the current strategy is no risk/same reward. She can't become double President, there really isn't much more room for her to improve from her current 340ish electoral college vote cushion. I don't think there's any style that she CAN change into without alienating some people outside of minor adjustments (like having quips similar to the first debate). Anything that deviates from what she's already shown in the debates will just be interpreted as her being a bitch or emotional or failing that pretentious. Uhm: She could start answering questions. She could also stop talking over moderators for eternities and extend her 2 minutes to 4 minutes every time. Maybe should could also read up on the idea of the SC and how judges should be chosen. I guess not going mad on Russia on every answer would also be a possible change. I can see people accepting all those changes to her debate style. Then again, why change when your opponent is fails to say anything useful on the debate and is completely unable to react to those rather brutal misssteps. The second debate was a serious pain. Clinton said absurd stuff on half the questions, and you felt like any competent debater would hammer her for it. And then all Trump did was to say even more retarded things? Like "Ey, this is my territory, get out of here, I'm the true shitlord". Just great.
I thought we were talking about real things that might happen, not pipe dreams like politicians actually answering questions. Other than that most of the other critiques are things she's already doing less than her opponent but probably gets more scrutiny for (like how Trump assumed Clinton got more speaking time during the 2nd debate).
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On October 20 2016 01:30 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 01:21 Logo wrote:On October 20 2016 01:06 KwarK wrote:
I expect no changes from Clinton. Why would she adjust a winning strategy? This election is pretty much done at this point. We're less than 3 weeks out and Texas is looking more competitive than Pennsylvania (Trump has gone allin on flipping PA, even though PA isn't a swing state, it's a bold strategy Cotton). Even if a new strategy for Clinton is low risk/high reward the current strategy is no risk/same reward. She can't become double President, there really isn't much more room for her to improve from her current 340ish electoral college vote cushion. I don't think there's any style that she CAN change into without alienating some people outside of minor adjustments (like having quips similar to the first debate). Anything that deviates from what she's already shown in the debates will just be interpreted as her being a bitch or emotional or failing that pretentious. I guess not going mad on Russia on every answer would also be a possible change.
Ok, to give Hillary credit on her FP approach (not something I do often), she has some really vicious anti-Russia rhetoric but most of the policy suggestions she actually gives when pressed are rather balanced. Whether or not they're the right ones is a matter of its own, but they're definitely not of the "start nuclear war with Russia" style of aggression like what her rhetoric would suggest.
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On October 20 2016 01:37 biology]major wrote:
I expect chris wallace to actually ask clinton some tough questions this time. Also if he wants to have any shot at winning this election, he needs to apologize to women and make a case for himself from that position. He isn't going to do this, the polls will stay massively in HRC's favor and the only way trump can win at this point is if there is a large undetected population who will secretly cast their vote for trump, combined with complacency from the dems. Still gonna get my popcorn ready though for the impending onslaught on clinton for wikileaks and corruption charges. Never gets old.
And I predict you will once again be thoroughly disappointing that these tough questions you want to hear do not get brought up because they were all answered during Benghazi and Emailghazi. Those 'scandals' are behind her and dealt with.
And nothing else even has a shred of evidence going for it.
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On October 20 2016 01:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 01:30 mahrgell wrote:On October 20 2016 01:21 Logo wrote:On October 20 2016 01:06 KwarK wrote:
I expect no changes from Clinton. Why would she adjust a winning strategy? This election is pretty much done at this point. We're less than 3 weeks out and Texas is looking more competitive than Pennsylvania (Trump has gone allin on flipping PA, even though PA isn't a swing state, it's a bold strategy Cotton). Even if a new strategy for Clinton is low risk/high reward the current strategy is no risk/same reward. She can't become double President, there really isn't much more room for her to improve from her current 340ish electoral college vote cushion. I don't think there's any style that she CAN change into without alienating some people outside of minor adjustments (like having quips similar to the first debate). Anything that deviates from what she's already shown in the debates will just be interpreted as her being a bitch or emotional or failing that pretentious. Uhm: She could start answering questions. She could also stop talking over moderators for eternities and extend her 2 minutes to 4 minutes every time. Maybe should could also read up on the idea of the SC and how judges should be chosen. I guess not going mad on Russia on every answer would also be a possible change. Literally every "She" should be a "He", because it's Donald Trump who talked over the moderators, talked for longer periods of time, and has no idea what the role of the Supreme Court is... and do we even need to talk about who's in love with Russia? The polls show that Hillary has benefited far more from the past two debates than Trump has; she might as well stick with her rehearsed, composed rhetoric while Trump flails wildly and ignorantly yet again.
Uhm... Yes, Donald Trump was way worse in all those regards. I never said anything else. So what? Only because your opponent is entirely shit does not mean you don't have to try to do well.
Of course I would pick HRC, if I were allowed to vote, considering the alternatives. But it is this "you are not allowed to criticize the candidate" attitude this leads to shitty situations like this one.
To me there isn't even a point in discussing what Trump says. He is unfit and unelectable. End.
But I can still listen to those debates and listen to what Clinton says and have an opinion on it. And from that angle HRC was a huge letdown in the second debate.
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On October 19 2016 21:58 Plansix wrote:
The problem with wikileaks is that it isn’t transparency, but acts like it is. It is stolen information that can be easily have parts omitted, doctored or seeded with fake information. And they only target the side they disagree with, rather than try to force both parties to be equally transparent.
I think transparency is important, but I also understand that privacy is necessary for things to get accomplished.
They've released 10 million documents, how many have been doctored or seeded with fake information?
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On October 20 2016 01:47 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 21:58 Plansix wrote:
The problem with wikileaks is that it isn’t transparency, but acts like it is. It is stolen information that can be easily have parts omitted, doctored or seeded with fake information. And they only target the side they disagree with, rather than try to force both parties to be equally transparent.
I think transparency is important, but I also understand that privacy is necessary for things to get accomplished. They've released 10 million documents, how many have been doctored or seeded with fake information?
I thought Wikileaks was like Wikipedia, anyone can go in and make an edit.
https://gop.com/survey/cabinet-survey/
Here's everyone's chance to suggest the best people.
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On October 20 2016 01:41 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 01:30 mahrgell wrote:On October 20 2016 01:21 Logo wrote:On October 20 2016 01:06 KwarK wrote:
I expect no changes from Clinton. Why would she adjust a winning strategy? This election is pretty much done at this point. We're less than 3 weeks out and Texas is looking more competitive than Pennsylvania (Trump has gone allin on flipping PA, even though PA isn't a swing state, it's a bold strategy Cotton). Even if a new strategy for Clinton is low risk/high reward the current strategy is no risk/same reward. She can't become double President, there really isn't much more room for her to improve from her current 340ish electoral college vote cushion. I don't think there's any style that she CAN change into without alienating some people outside of minor adjustments (like having quips similar to the first debate). Anything that deviates from what she's already shown in the debates will just be interpreted as her being a bitch or emotional or failing that pretentious. I guess not going mad on Russia on every answer would also be a possible change. Ok, to give Hillary credit on her FP approach (not something I do often), she has some really vicious anti-Russia rhetoric but most of the policy suggestions she actually gives when pressed are rather balanced. Whether or not they're the right ones is a matter of its own, but they're definitely not of the "start nuclear war with Russia" style of aggression like what her rhetoric would suggest.
I'm favoring a rather strong course against Russia and would consider them more of a rival than a friend. But I'm also seeing that Russia wont dissappear. We will have to deal with them for decades. And thus you should somehow manage to get along with them. So all those hostile arguments even before the election, which were not really needed at this point in the debate, are not helping once you take office. No matter how much truth they contained, she could have gotten away with mentioning Russia only half the times she did and nobody would have been mad at her. And she would have given way less ammo to any media/whatever groups who are trying to increase the tensions between the US and Russia even further.
I usually appreciate HRC for being a "professional politician", a trait I consider to be positive (with all the establishment hate I'm probably alone on that soon). Sadly those repeated remarks were not exactly what I would expect from a "professional politician". Mention them where necessary, skip the uncalled mentions. And all good.
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On October 20 2016 01:51 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 01:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2016 21:58 Plansix wrote:
The problem with wikileaks is that it isn’t transparency, but acts like it is. It is stolen information that can be easily have parts omitted, doctored or seeded with fake information. And they only target the side they disagree with, rather than try to force both parties to be equally transparent.
I think transparency is important, but I also understand that privacy is necessary for things to get accomplished. They've released 10 million documents, how many have been doctored or seeded with fake information? I thought Wikileaks was like Wikipedia, anyone can go in and make an edit. https://gop.com/survey/cabinet-survey/Here's everyone's chance to suggest the best people.
He will hire the best people... by crowdsourcing! /facepalm.
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On October 20 2016 01:47 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 21:58 Plansix wrote:
The problem with wikileaks is that it isn’t transparency, but acts like it is. It is stolen information that can be easily have parts omitted, doctored or seeded with fake information. And they only target the side they disagree with, rather than try to force both parties to be equally transparent.
I think transparency is important, but I also understand that privacy is necessary for things to get accomplished. They've released 10 million documents, how many have been doctored or seeded with fake information?
That is the question everyone should ask themselves.
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On October 20 2016 01:56 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 01:41 LegalLord wrote:On October 20 2016 01:30 mahrgell wrote:On October 20 2016 01:21 Logo wrote:On October 20 2016 01:06 KwarK wrote:
I expect no changes from Clinton. Why would she adjust a winning strategy? This election is pretty much done at this point. We're less than 3 weeks out and Texas is looking more competitive than Pennsylvania (Trump has gone allin on flipping PA, even though PA isn't a swing state, it's a bold strategy Cotton). Even if a new strategy for Clinton is low risk/high reward the current strategy is no risk/same reward. She can't become double President, there really isn't much more room for her to improve from her current 340ish electoral college vote cushion. I don't think there's any style that she CAN change into without alienating some people outside of minor adjustments (like having quips similar to the first debate). Anything that deviates from what she's already shown in the debates will just be interpreted as her being a bitch or emotional or failing that pretentious. I guess not going mad on Russia on every answer would also be a possible change. Ok, to give Hillary credit on her FP approach (not something I do often), she has some really vicious anti-Russia rhetoric but most of the policy suggestions she actually gives when pressed are rather balanced. Whether or not they're the right ones is a matter of its own, but they're definitely not of the "start nuclear war with Russia" style of aggression like what her rhetoric would suggest. I'm favoring a rather strong course against Russia and would consider them more of a rival than a friend. But I'm also seeing that Russia wont dissappear. We will have to deal with them for decades. And thus you should somehow manage to get along with them. So all those hostile arguments even before the election, which were not really needed at this point in the debate, are not helping once you take office. No matter how much truth they contained, she could have gotten away with mentioning Russia only half the times she did and nobody would have been mad at her. And she would have given way less ammo to any media/whatever groups who are trying to increase the tensions between the US and Russia even further. I usually appreciate HRC for being a "professional politician", a trait I consider to be positive (with all the establishment hate I'm probably alone on that soon). Sadly those repeated remarks were not exactly what I would expect from a "professional politician". Mention them where necessary, skip the uncalled mentions. And all good.
I think she's trying to tie Trump to Russia as a talking point. Maybe there are some undecided voters for whom that would be a big deal?
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On October 20 2016 01:43 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 01:37 biology]major wrote:
I expect chris wallace to actually ask clinton some tough questions this time. Also if he wants to have any shot at winning this election, he needs to apologize to women and make a case for himself from that position. He isn't going to do this, the polls will stay massively in HRC's favor and the only way trump can win at this point is if there is a large undetected population who will secretly cast their vote for trump, combined with complacency from the dems. Still gonna get my popcorn ready though for the impending onslaught on clinton for wikileaks and corruption charges. Never gets old. And I predict you will once again be thoroughly disappointing that these tough questions you want to hear do not get brought up because they were all answered during Benghazi and Emailghazi. Those 'scandals' are behind her and dealt with. And nothing else even has a shred of evidence going for it.
Probably, but there's always hope! Anyways some tough questions regarding the recent wikileaks is all i'm expecting.
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On October 20 2016 01:51 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 01:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2016 21:58 Plansix wrote:
The problem with wikileaks is that it isn’t transparency, but acts like it is. It is stolen information that can be easily have parts omitted, doctored or seeded with fake information. And they only target the side they disagree with, rather than try to force both parties to be equally transparent.
I think transparency is important, but I also understand that privacy is necessary for things to get accomplished. They've released 10 million documents, how many have been doctored or seeded with fake information? I thought Wikileaks was like Wikipedia, anyone can go in and make an edit. https://gop.com/survey/cabinet-survey/Here's everyone's chance to suggest the best people.
Wait what?
The GOP is actually doing a survey like this? wtf
Most people would struggle to fill even 2-3 positions. What could possible be the use of this.
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On October 20 2016 01:59 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 01:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2016 21:58 Plansix wrote:
The problem with wikileaks is that it isn’t transparency, but acts like it is. It is stolen information that can be easily have parts omitted, doctored or seeded with fake information. And they only target the side they disagree with, rather than try to force both parties to be equally transparent.
I think transparency is important, but I also understand that privacy is necessary for things to get accomplished. They've released 10 million documents, how many have been doctored or seeded with fake information? That is the question everyone should ask themselves.
Well they say 0, and I've seen 0 evidence any have been. So I'm leaning toward 0.
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On October 20 2016 02:01 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 01:43 Gorsameth wrote:On October 20 2016 01:37 biology]major wrote:
I expect chris wallace to actually ask clinton some tough questions this time. Also if he wants to have any shot at winning this election, he needs to apologize to women and make a case for himself from that position. He isn't going to do this, the polls will stay massively in HRC's favor and the only way trump can win at this point is if there is a large undetected population who will secretly cast their vote for trump, combined with complacency from the dems. Still gonna get my popcorn ready though for the impending onslaught on clinton for wikileaks and corruption charges. Never gets old. And I predict you will once again be thoroughly disappointing that these tough questions you want to hear do not get brought up because they were all answered during Benghazi and Emailghazi. Those 'scandals' are behind her and dealt with. And nothing else even has a shred of evidence going for it. Probably, but there's always hope! Anyways some tough questions regarding the recent wikileaks is all i'm expecting.
Your right, the public has a right to know how that risotto turned out.
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On October 20 2016 02:01 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 01:51 oBlade wrote:On October 20 2016 01:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2016 21:58 Plansix wrote:
The problem with wikileaks is that it isn’t transparency, but acts like it is. It is stolen information that can be easily have parts omitted, doctored or seeded with fake information. And they only target the side they disagree with, rather than try to force both parties to be equally transparent.
I think transparency is important, but I also understand that privacy is necessary for things to get accomplished. They've released 10 million documents, how many have been doctored or seeded with fake information? I thought Wikileaks was like Wikipedia, anyone can go in and make an edit. https://gop.com/survey/cabinet-survey/Here's everyone's chance to suggest the best people. Wait what? The GOP is actually doing a survey like this? wtf Most people would struggle to fill even 2-3 positions. What could possible be the use of this.
why is it a .com rather than a .org address? seems odd to me.
As to possible uses: to assess how much political support people already have for a position.
to get people's email so you can send them fundraising emails.
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On October 20 2016 02:01 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 01:51 oBlade wrote:On October 20 2016 01:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2016 21:58 Plansix wrote:
The problem with wikileaks is that it isn’t transparency, but acts like it is. It is stolen information that can be easily have parts omitted, doctored or seeded with fake information. And they only target the side they disagree with, rather than try to force both parties to be equally transparent.
I think transparency is important, but I also understand that privacy is necessary for things to get accomplished. They've released 10 million documents, how many have been doctored or seeded with fake information? I thought Wikileaks was like Wikipedia, anyone can go in and make an edit. https://gop.com/survey/cabinet-survey/Here's everyone's chance to suggest the best people. Wait what? The GOP is actually doing a survey like this? wtf Most people would struggle to fill even 2-3 positions. What could possible be the use of this.
To get people on the donation page.
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On October 20 2016 02:01 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 01:59 Plansix wrote:On October 20 2016 01:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2016 21:58 Plansix wrote:
The problem with wikileaks is that it isn’t transparency, but acts like it is. It is stolen information that can be easily have parts omitted, doctored or seeded with fake information. And they only target the side they disagree with, rather than try to force both parties to be equally transparent.
I think transparency is important, but I also understand that privacy is necessary for things to get accomplished. They've released 10 million documents, how many have been doctored or seeded with fake information? That is the question everyone should ask themselves. Well they say 0, and I've seen 0 evidence any have been. So I'm leaning toward 0.
I don't know if it is actually this lost on you, but reading that, I bet Bill would laugh off his ass in his secret corruption library lounge where he corrupts stuff......
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On October 20 2016 02:00 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 01:56 mahrgell wrote:On October 20 2016 01:41 LegalLord wrote:On October 20 2016 01:30 mahrgell wrote:On October 20 2016 01:21 Logo wrote:On October 20 2016 01:06 KwarK wrote:
I expect no changes from Clinton. Why would she adjust a winning strategy? This election is pretty much done at this point. We're less than 3 weeks out and Texas is looking more competitive than Pennsylvania (Trump has gone allin on flipping PA, even though PA isn't a swing state, it's a bold strategy Cotton). Even if a new strategy for Clinton is low risk/high reward the current strategy is no risk/same reward. She can't become double President, there really isn't much more room for her to improve from her current 340ish electoral college vote cushion. I don't think there's any style that she CAN change into without alienating some people outside of minor adjustments (like having quips similar to the first debate). Anything that deviates from what she's already shown in the debates will just be interpreted as her being a bitch or emotional or failing that pretentious. I guess not going mad on Russia on every answer would also be a possible change. Ok, to give Hillary credit on her FP approach (not something I do often), she has some really vicious anti-Russia rhetoric but most of the policy suggestions she actually gives when pressed are rather balanced. Whether or not they're the right ones is a matter of its own, but they're definitely not of the "start nuclear war with Russia" style of aggression like what her rhetoric would suggest. I'm favoring a rather strong course against Russia and would consider them more of a rival than a friend. But I'm also seeing that Russia wont dissappear. We will have to deal with them for decades. And thus you should somehow manage to get along with them. So all those hostile arguments even before the election, which were not really needed at this point in the debate, are not helping once you take office. No matter how much truth they contained, she could have gotten away with mentioning Russia only half the times she did and nobody would have been mad at her. And she would have given way less ammo to any media/whatever groups who are trying to increase the tensions between the US and Russia even further. I usually appreciate HRC for being a "professional politician", a trait I consider to be positive (with all the establishment hate I'm probably alone on that soon). Sadly those repeated remarks were not exactly what I would expect from a "professional politician". Mention them where necessary, skip the uncalled mentions. And all good. I think she's trying to tie Trump to Russia as a talking point. Maybe there are some undecided voters for whom that would be a big deal?
I don't know. What effect is bigger? The number of people turned off by "evil big red fear mongering" or the number of people convinced by that strategy. I would expect her own research team to have judged the net effect in her favor, otherwise she wouldn't have went for it. Her preparedness can be considered a given.
But even if there is a minor net positive in those points, I consider it a loan on the future. A loan that was, given the state of the election at the time of the second debate, not needed.
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On October 20 2016 02:01 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 01:59 Plansix wrote:On October 20 2016 01:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2016 21:58 Plansix wrote:
The problem with wikileaks is that it isn’t transparency, but acts like it is. It is stolen information that can be easily have parts omitted, doctored or seeded with fake information. And they only target the side they disagree with, rather than try to force both parties to be equally transparent.
I think transparency is important, but I also understand that privacy is necessary for things to get accomplished. They've released 10 million documents, how many have been doctored or seeded with fake information? That is the question everyone should ask themselves. Well they say 0, and I've seen 0 evidence any have been. So I'm leaning toward 0.
Where was this skepticism when it was needed yesterday regarding Bill's corrupt presidential library?
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On October 20 2016 02:06 Evotroid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 02:01 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 20 2016 01:59 Plansix wrote:On October 20 2016 01:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2016 21:58 Plansix wrote:
The problem with wikileaks is that it isn’t transparency, but acts like it is. It is stolen information that can be easily have parts omitted, doctored or seeded with fake information. And they only target the side they disagree with, rather than try to force both parties to be equally transparent.
I think transparency is important, but I also understand that privacy is necessary for things to get accomplished. They've released 10 million documents, how many have been doctored or seeded with fake information? That is the question everyone should ask themselves. Well they say 0, and I've seen 0 evidence any have been. So I'm leaning toward 0. I don't know if it is actually this lost on you, but reading that, I bet Bill would laugh off his ass in his secret corruption library lounge where he corrupts stuff......
Bruh, I know it's fun to imagineer opponents but my comment on the penthouse wasn't some secret corruption lair, just a personal benefit maintained by his charity.
That people want to push the point that it's absurd to suggest that perhaps he doesn't only do official charity business in a penthouse he stays at frequently, is their own feigned naivety.
But that has absolutely nothing to do with the validity of wikileaks documents.
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