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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 11 2016 01:38 GMT
#109861
On October 11 2016 10:35 Sent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2016 10:33 Plansix wrote:
On October 11 2016 10:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On October 11 2016 10:16 JumboJohnson wrote:
If you were aborted you wouldn't know it, so why would you care if your mother picked that option?


This is not a good argument

There are no good arguments for banning abortion, only religious ones.


It's a bad argument because "If someone killed you in your sleep you wouldn't know it, so why would you care if that person murdered you?".

Yes, but the main argument "Your luck your mother didn't abort you" is equally shit. Fruit of the poisonous tree and so on. Shitposts beget more shitposts.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12615 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-11 01:40:11
October 11 2016 01:40 GMT
#109862
On October 11 2016 10:38 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2016 10:35 Sent. wrote:
On October 11 2016 10:33 Plansix wrote:
On October 11 2016 10:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On October 11 2016 10:16 JumboJohnson wrote:
If you were aborted you wouldn't know it, so why would you care if your mother picked that option?


This is not a good argument

There are no good arguments for banning abortion, only religious ones.


It's a bad argument because "If someone killed you in your sleep you wouldn't know it, so why would you care if that person murdered you?".

Yes, but the main argument "Your luck your mother didn't abort you" is equally shit. Fruit of the poisonous tree and so on. Shitposts beget more shitposts.


"Thanks for not wearing a condom the day you conceived me dad!"
No will to live, no wish to die
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44415 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-11 01:44:11
October 11 2016 01:42 GMT
#109863
On October 11 2016 10:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2016 10:16 JumboJohnson wrote:
If you were aborted you wouldn't know it, so why would you care if your mother picked that option?


This is not a good argument

It is. It's a self selecting group. It's like those idiots who go "isn't it remarkable that of all the planets life could have evolved on we evolved on one that could support life".

Nobody is ever angry that they have been aborted so why should anyone ever be thankful that they were not. No potential child has more value than any other, a choice to have any single one is a rejection of a billion other possibilities. It's simply the nature of the thing. The born have won the lottery.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28918 Posts
October 11 2016 02:00 GMT
#109864
On October 11 2016 07:52 oBlade wrote:
Nobody told me Billy West was reading Trump quotes as Zapp Brannigan.


oh my god this is my favorite thing ever
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 11 2016 02:03 GMT
#109865
On October 11 2016 11:00 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2016 07:52 oBlade wrote:
Nobody told me Billy West was reading Trump quotes as Zapp Brannigan.


oh my god this is my favorite thing ever

It's hilarious, though I think the Kif groans kinda got repetitive and shouldn't have been in there.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
October 11 2016 02:09 GMT
#109866
8th wonder of the world closing down (about time to).
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
October 11 2016 02:11 GMT
#109867
On October 11 2016 10:33 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2016 10:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On October 11 2016 10:16 JumboJohnson wrote:
If you were aborted you wouldn't know it, so why would you care if your mother picked that option?


This is not a good argument

There are no good arguments for banning abortion, only religious ones.


Hmm, there are only religious arguments for banning abortions? Interesting because I am definitely not religious, arguably closer to anti-religious than religious and yet I fall into the anti-abortion camp.

Abortion arguments can more or less be broken down into two camps:

1) Those that argue that abortion is allowable under all circumstances
2) those that concede that abortion is not morally acceptable in the case of being a person, but seek to argue that some abortions are okay based on whether the fetus is developed enough to constitute "personhood"

Most people argue number 2. Arguments for #1 are much rarer, because it's much easier to create similar scenarios involving adults/infants that most reject.

For me, as I guess it probably is for most, it becomes fairly "straightforward" from what is for me a fundamental tenant: That the prime and most fundamental right for any human should be to control their own fate to the extent possible. We only get one life, and I believe that control of that life ought to be an unalienable right that cannot be willfully infringed upon by any other person.

That pretty much rules out any exceptions to abortion with exception of situations where the life of the mother is in jeopardy.

Of course, that does leave open to discussion the point at which something becomes a human being deserving of that right; and I'm not completely sold on my position there, but I've seen good philosophical arguments both for and against various stages of development. Certainly, biology doesn't and won't give us anything to go on their; so it's going to come down to philosophical discussion anyway.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 11 2016 02:12 GMT
#109868
On October 11 2016 11:09 Rebs wrote:
8th wonder of the world closing down (about time to).

The Trump casino, if it wasn't clear.


ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. • Donald Trump opened the Trump Taj Mahal casino 26 years ago, calling it "the eighth wonder of the world."

But his friend and fellow billionaire Carl Icahn closed it Monday morning, making it the fifth casualty of Atlantic City's casino crisis.

The sprawling Boardwalk casino, with its soaring domes, minarets and towers built to mimic the famed Indian palace, shut down at 5:59 a.m., having failed to reach a deal with its union workers to restore health care and pension benefits that were taken away from them in bankruptcy court.

Nearly 3,000 workers lost their jobs, bringing the total jobs lost by Atlantic City casino closings to 11,000 since 2014.

Picketers affixed an anti-Icahn poster that they had signed to the casino's main Boardwalk entrance door. It proclaimed "We held the line."

"We held the line against a billionaire taking from us!" said Marc Scittina, a food service worker at the Taj Mahal's player's club since shortly after it opened in 1990. "This battle has been going on for two years."

The union went on strike July 1, and Icahn decided to shut the place down a little over a month later, determining there was "no path to profitability."

The Taj Mahal becomes the fifth Atlantic City casino to go out of business since 2014, when four others shut their doors.

But this shutdown is different: it involves a casino built by the Republican candidate for president, who took time out from the campaign trail to lament its demise.

"I felt they should have been able to make a deal," Trump told The Associated Press in a recent interview. "It's hard to believe they weren't able to make a deal."

Chuck Baker, a cook at the Taj Mahal since the day it opened in April 1990, was on the picket line at the moment it shut down. He was there when the doors opened and wanted to be there when they closed.

He led a moment of silence among the otherwise rowdy 200 or so picketers on the Boardwalk outside the casino.

"This didn't have to happen," he said. "To (Icahn), it's all just business. But to us, it's destroying our livelihoods and our families. You take away our health care, our pensions and overload the workers, we just can't take it."

Bob McDevitt, president of Local 54 of the Unite-HERE union, said virtually all of the striking workers feel the same way.

"Everybody has their Popeye moment: 'That's all I can stands; I can't stands no more,' " he said. "The workers made a choice that they weren't going to accept benefits and terms of employment worse than everyone else's. I applaud them: For the first time in 30 years, workers stood up to Carl Icahn and made him throw in the towel."

Icahn reached his limit on Aug. 3, when he determined the $350 million he had lost investing in, and then owning, the Taj Mahal was enough. It was then that he decided to close the casino, fearing he would lose an additional $100 million next year.

"Today is a sad day for Atlantic City," he said Monday. "Like many of the employees at the Taj Mahal, I wish things had turned out differently."

With yelling, chanting workers just outside the glass doors, Taj Mahal workers had trouble locking them, trying to jam wooden wedges into door frames to keep them from opening. Finally they succeeded in affixing barriers to the doors.

The Taj had actually been shutting down slowly for nearly two weeks. Many table games were left unstaffed, and workers cordoned off entire banks of slot machines with yellow caution tape last week as others ripped the electronic guts from them. Liquor had been removed from some service bars, and even soap dispensers disconnected from bathroom walls.

Trump said he will demand that his name come off the building now that it is closed, as he similarly did with Trump Plaza after it, too, closed in 2014. As of last week, a sign over the main entrance that had proclaimed "Donald J. Trump presents Taj Mahal" was already gone.

The Taj Mahal joins the Atlantic Club, Showboat, Trump Plaza and Revel as Atlantic City casinos that, since 2014, have succumbed to economic pressure brought about in large measure by competition from casinos in neighboring states. The city now has seven casinos.

Source
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-11 02:25:50
October 11 2016 02:19 GMT
#109869


This story is crazy.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 11 2016 02:25 GMT
#109870
On October 11 2016 11:19 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/785659838885879809

I looked at his Twitter page, and I count about 30 times in the past two hours that he decided to link this story. WTF?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 11 2016 02:27 GMT
#109871
On October 11 2016 11:25 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2016 11:19 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/785659838885879809

I looked at his Twitter page, and I count about 30 times in the past two hours that he decided to link this story. WTF?

Yeah, I saw that. I don't know if this man knows how to use twitter. He is saying things in those tweets, but he should avoid linking the story every time.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 11 2016 02:32 GMT
#109872
On October 11 2016 11:27 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2016 11:25 LegalLord wrote:
On October 11 2016 11:19 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/785659838885879809

I looked at his Twitter page, and I count about 30 times in the past two hours that he decided to link this story. WTF?

Yeah, I saw that. I don't know if this man knows how to use twitter. He is saying things in those tweets, but he should avoid linking the story every time.

The weird thing is he doesn't do that with any other story - only this one.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 11 2016 02:34 GMT
#109873
TALLAHASSEE — Dismissing Gov. Rick Scott’s claims as "poppycock," a federal judge Monday extended Florida's voter-registration deadline by at least 24 hours so as not to disenfranchise Hurricane Matthew survivors who wanted to sign up to vote in the nation’s largest swing state.

Florida Democrats sued Scott — the chairman of Donald Trump’s super PAC — and his top elections official on Sunday because they had refused to extend the deadline. Scott said people had enough time to register by Tuesday’s deadline.

“Look, this is, this is politics,” Scott said when asked about the political ramifications of his decision, the Democrats' lawsuit points out.

Bristling at Scott’s claim, U.S. District Judge Mark Walker ordered a temporary extension of a day — which he could extend further after a Wednesday hearing he set. The judge also indicated that some of Florida’s voter registration laws might be unconstitutional.

“It has been suggested that the issue of extending the voter registration deadline is about politics. Poppycock,” Walker, an appointee of President Obama to the Northern District of Florida, wrote. “This case is about the right of aspiring eligible voters to register and to have their votes counted. Nothing could be more fundamental to our democracy.”

“We are thrilled with today’s ruling and we look forward to making our case on Wednesday for extending the voter registration deadline to October 18th,” said Florida Democratic Party chair Allison Tant in a statement. "This is a win for the people of Florida.”

The ruling could have a profound effect on the national race for the White House as well.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-11 02:37:24
October 11 2016 02:35 GMT
#109874
On October 11 2016 11:32 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2016 11:27 Plansix wrote:
On October 11 2016 11:25 LegalLord wrote:
On October 11 2016 11:19 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/785659838885879809

I looked at his Twitter page, and I count about 30 times in the past two hours that he decided to link this story. WTF?

Yeah, I saw that. I don't know if this man knows how to use twitter. He is saying things in those tweets, but he should avoid linking the story every time.

The weird thing is he doesn't do that with any other story - only this one.

Yeah, this story is some crazy shit. Trump was clearly fed that fabricated story by someone and Trump is aware. He denies that Russia was involve with the hacks, even though he was briefed otherwise.

Edit: Fucking rekt Rick Scott, you Death Eater reject. People get to vote in America and you can extend registration for a single day.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-11 02:43:15
October 11 2016 02:42 GMT
#109875
Somebody needs to train Trump in how to properly spread disinfo while maintaining your image as a non-agent because he's not very good at it

I can only imagine how his conversations about that go.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 11 2016 02:43 GMT
#109876
There are a few select things that Trump has said in the past that clearly don't come from the perspective of someone in his position (as an American), which make it clear that he is being fed talking points by someone associated with Russia. Generally if a quote sounds like it couldn't possibly have come from an American perspective, then it probably didn't. I find it funny that this dude managed to tie Benghazi into it somehow.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 11 2016 02:44 GMT
#109877
On October 11 2016 11:35 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2016 11:32 LegalLord wrote:
On October 11 2016 11:27 Plansix wrote:
On October 11 2016 11:25 LegalLord wrote:
On October 11 2016 11:19 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/785659838885879809

I looked at his Twitter page, and I count about 30 times in the past two hours that he decided to link this story. WTF?

Yeah, I saw that. I don't know if this man knows how to use twitter. He is saying things in those tweets, but he should avoid linking the story every time.

The weird thing is he doesn't do that with any other story - only this one.

Yeah, this story is some crazy shit. Trump was clearly fed that fabricated story by someone and Trump is aware. He denies that Russia was involve with the hacks, even though he was briefed otherwise.

Edit: Fucking rekt Rick Scott, you Death Eater reject. People get to vote in America and you can extend registration for a single day.

By all accounts extending voter registration deadlines could only help Trump, lol. Considering he's relying on first time voters and getting them to turn out, while Hillary is relying more on just... normal people.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-11 02:46:46
October 11 2016 02:44 GMT
#109878
On October 11 2016 11:42 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Somebody needs to train Trump in how to properly spread disinfo while maintaining your image as a non-agent because he's not very good at it

I can only imagine how his conversations about that go.

We are 30 days from the election and people are just starting to figure this shit out. Other folks have been pointing this out for months, but now that we are facing the double barrel of the pussy grabber, everyone is like "Man this Russia stuff is weird, right? Its weird."

On October 11 2016 11:44 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2016 11:35 Plansix wrote:
On October 11 2016 11:32 LegalLord wrote:
On October 11 2016 11:27 Plansix wrote:
On October 11 2016 11:25 LegalLord wrote:
On October 11 2016 11:19 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/785659838885879809

I looked at his Twitter page, and I count about 30 times in the past two hours that he decided to link this story. WTF?

Yeah, I saw that. I don't know if this man knows how to use twitter. He is saying things in those tweets, but he should avoid linking the story every time.

The weird thing is he doesn't do that with any other story - only this one.

Yeah, this story is some crazy shit. Trump was clearly fed that fabricated story by someone and Trump is aware. He denies that Russia was involve with the hacks, even though he was briefed otherwise.

Edit: Fucking rekt Rick Scott, you Death Eater reject. People get to vote in America and you can extend registration for a single day.

By all accounts extending voter registration deadlines could only help Trump, lol. Considering he's relying on first time voters and getting them to turn out, while Hillary is relying more on just... normal people.


Nah, I think the same rule holds true that minorities use early voting and late voter registration more. And those are going to go for Dems because Trump exists in this race.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 11 2016 02:48 GMT
#109879
On October 11 2016 11:44 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2016 11:42 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Somebody needs to train Trump in how to properly spread disinfo while maintaining your image as a non-agent because he's not very good at it

I can only imagine how his conversations about that go.

We are 30 days from the election and people are just starting to figure this shit out. Other folks have been pointing this out for months, but now that we are facing the double barrel of the pussy grabber, everyone is like "Man this Russia stuff is weird, right? Its weird."

Show nested quote +
On October 11 2016 11:44 Nevuk wrote:
On October 11 2016 11:35 Plansix wrote:
On October 11 2016 11:32 LegalLord wrote:
On October 11 2016 11:27 Plansix wrote:
On October 11 2016 11:25 LegalLord wrote:
On October 11 2016 11:19 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/785659838885879809

I looked at his Twitter page, and I count about 30 times in the past two hours that he decided to link this story. WTF?

Yeah, I saw that. I don't know if this man knows how to use twitter. He is saying things in those tweets, but he should avoid linking the story every time.

The weird thing is he doesn't do that with any other story - only this one.

Yeah, this story is some crazy shit. Trump was clearly fed that fabricated story by someone and Trump is aware. He denies that Russia was involve with the hacks, even though he was briefed otherwise.

Edit: Fucking rekt Rick Scott, you Death Eater reject. People get to vote in America and you can extend registration for a single day.

By all accounts extending voter registration deadlines could only help Trump, lol. Considering he's relying on first time voters and getting them to turn out, while Hillary is relying more on just... normal people.


Nah, I think the same rule holds true that minorities use early voting and late voter registration more. And those are going to go for Dems because Trump exists in this race.

Well, it would really only matter if Trump actually had a GOTV effort in the first place, as I'm sure there's going to be a ton of his supporters raging on election day that they are being kept from voting because of some registration bullshit.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-11 02:50:43
October 11 2016 02:50 GMT
#109880
Dear Donald Trump,

Last Friday, audio leaked of you making incredibly demeaning comments about women and bragging about sexual assault. When asked to justify your statements, you claimed that this was "locker room talk," and it's just how guys speak about women.

You're wrong, and only the type of wrong an over-tanned ham hock like yourself can accomplish, plummeting past the morass of gross incivility into the abyss of depraved sociopathy.

How do I know this? Simple. I was in an NFL locker room for eight years, the very definition of the macho, alpha male environment you're so feebly trying to evoke to protect yourself, and not once did anyone approach your breathtaking depths of arrogant imbecility. Oh, sure, we had some dumb guys, and some guys I wouldn't want to hang out with on any sort of regular basis, but we never had anyone say anything as foul and demeaning as you did on that tape, and, hell, I played a couple years with a guy who later turned out to be a serial rapist. Even he never talked like that.

Now, Donald, I'm sure you're wondering just what it is we talk about in a professional locker room, if we don't spend all our time regarding 50 percent of the population as mobile fuck receptacles eagerly awaiting our tiny-handed grasp on their love lapels. I shall educate you!

We talk about our families. We talk about our significant others, our children, and our parents. We talk about our fears that if a Hitler wannabe who can't even string together a coherent statement on domestic policy becomes president, what that might mean for those of us who are married to a member of a minority community, or are a member of a minority community, or have children going to schools where hopefully nobody screams racial epithets at them or tells them to go back to [insert foreign country they couldn't identify on a map here].

We talk about travel. We talk about the cities we've seen, the stadiums we've played in, what vacations we might take in the offseason. We talk about what country might make a good safe haven if a Russian-backed presidential candidate whose foreign policy agenda can best be described as "gross negligence mixed with a spicy dash of treason" were to have control of our nation's nuclear arsenal, and whether his stubby little baby fingers are strong enough to push in the launch codes on sturdy military-grade hardware.

We talk about money. We talk about what other guys at our position are making, what our next contract might look like, and how much paying taxes each year sucks, since we're in the highest tax bracket and play in multiple states, requiring multiple filings. We talk about how all of us pay taxes, every year, and wonder what a presidential candidate might have to hide if he so stubbornly refuses to release his returns, what possible foreign debts might be lurking in that finance closet he so desperately holds shut with every ounce of his contemptible mental faculties.

We talk about women (and sex!). We talk about wives, sisters, mothers, daughters, fans, and groupies. Most guys respect women, some guys don't, but never have I heard anyone use your particularly disgusting brand of sadism that refers to women as objects and not people. Even the most debauched club-hopping party animal talks about women more civilly than you. We don't let each other talk like that about women, because it lessens our humanity, and even though we're modern-day gladiators, we still hold ourselves accountable to the idea of basic human decency.

We talk about jokes. Clean jokes, dirty jokes, jokes that are in between. Hell, I made a joke about Penn State that got me in trouble years later, because someone thought I was attacking the victims instead of the institution that allowed such depravity to happen. You know what I did? I apologized. I said I was sorry. I didn't apologize with "if your feelings were hurt by it"; I didn't try to deflect it by attacking someone else, or their spouse; I didn't lie to an entire nation on live TV and say, "Nope, that never happened." I simply said, "I'm sorry, I made a mistake, I'm accountable, I'll do better next time."

See, that's another big thing we talk about in the locker room. Accountability. In a professional sports environment, all of us are accountable to each other. We're a team. If one of us messes up on the field, it affects everyone. Just like if a president makes a bad decision, it affects everyone. And do you know, Donald, the only way the team wins games? The only way we win is if, in the locker room, we're willing to accept that accountability, address our mistakes, and work as hard as we possibly can to make sure those mistakes don't happen again.

We don't double down on a shitty play simply because a small portion of the fan base got excited by it. We don't try to carve the team apart from the inside to appease a certain position group. We don't blame our mistakes on something someone else did, because if we do any of those things, we lose, something you've become intimately familiar with on a personal, financial, and political level, and I'm not having too many difficulties reviewing how that happened to you on the game film.

So let me conclude with some advice for you, Donald. The next time you want to claim that something is "locker room talk," take a moment to recognize the fact that were you in an actual locker room, you would be universally reviled as a cancerous, egotistical train wreck of a disgrace that no team could possibly find the time to employ and, honestly, would never even have on their draft board to begin with.

I've been in locker rooms, Donald, and you're the type of narcissistic, pants-soiling fecal eruption that just doesn't belong. Even football players are smart enough to know that.

Sincerely,

Chris Kluwe

Former NFL player, proud father of two daughters I’m afraid you would eagerly deport and/or molest, American citizen



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