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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 11 2016 02:50 GMT
#109881
On October 11 2016 11:44 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2016 11:42 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Somebody needs to train Trump in how to properly spread disinfo while maintaining your image as a non-agent because he's not very good at it

I can only imagine how his conversations about that go.

We are 30 days from the election and people are just starting to figure this shit out. Other folks have been pointing this out for months, but now that we are facing the double barrel of the pussy grabber, everyone is like "Man this Russia stuff is weird, right? Its weird."

I dunno, the "Trump has Russia ties" line has been consistently used by the Clinton camp for a while, including with the whole Manafort controversy.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 11 2016 03:00 GMT
#109882
On October 11 2016 11:50 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
Dear Donald Trump,

Last Friday, audio leaked of you making incredibly demeaning comments about women and bragging about sexual assault. When asked to justify your statements, you claimed that this was "locker room talk," and it's just how guys speak about women.

You're wrong, and only the type of wrong an over-tanned ham hock like yourself can accomplish, plummeting past the morass of gross incivility into the abyss of depraved sociopathy.

How do I know this? Simple. I was in an NFL locker room for eight years, the very definition of the macho, alpha male environment you're so feebly trying to evoke to protect yourself, and not once did anyone approach your breathtaking depths of arrogant imbecility. Oh, sure, we had some dumb guys, and some guys I wouldn't want to hang out with on any sort of regular basis, but we never had anyone say anything as foul and demeaning as you did on that tape, and, hell, I played a couple years with a guy who later turned out to be a serial rapist. Even he never talked like that.

Now, Donald, I'm sure you're wondering just what it is we talk about in a professional locker room, if we don't spend all our time regarding 50 percent of the population as mobile fuck receptacles eagerly awaiting our tiny-handed grasp on their love lapels. I shall educate you!

We talk about our families. We talk about our significant others, our children, and our parents. We talk about our fears that if a Hitler wannabe who can't even string together a coherent statement on domestic policy becomes president, what that might mean for those of us who are married to a member of a minority community, or are a member of a minority community, or have children going to schools where hopefully nobody screams racial epithets at them or tells them to go back to [insert foreign country they couldn't identify on a map here].

We talk about travel. We talk about the cities we've seen, the stadiums we've played in, what vacations we might take in the offseason. We talk about what country might make a good safe haven if a Russian-backed presidential candidate whose foreign policy agenda can best be described as "gross negligence mixed with a spicy dash of treason" were to have control of our nation's nuclear arsenal, and whether his stubby little baby fingers are strong enough to push in the launch codes on sturdy military-grade hardware.

We talk about money. We talk about what other guys at our position are making, what our next contract might look like, and how much paying taxes each year sucks, since we're in the highest tax bracket and play in multiple states, requiring multiple filings. We talk about how all of us pay taxes, every year, and wonder what a presidential candidate might have to hide if he so stubbornly refuses to release his returns, what possible foreign debts might be lurking in that finance closet he so desperately holds shut with every ounce of his contemptible mental faculties.

We talk about women (and sex!). We talk about wives, sisters, mothers, daughters, fans, and groupies. Most guys respect women, some guys don't, but never have I heard anyone use your particularly disgusting brand of sadism that refers to women as objects and not people. Even the most debauched club-hopping party animal talks about women more civilly than you. We don't let each other talk like that about women, because it lessens our humanity, and even though we're modern-day gladiators, we still hold ourselves accountable to the idea of basic human decency.

We talk about jokes. Clean jokes, dirty jokes, jokes that are in between. Hell, I made a joke about Penn State that got me in trouble years later, because someone thought I was attacking the victims instead of the institution that allowed such depravity to happen. You know what I did? I apologized. I said I was sorry. I didn't apologize with "if your feelings were hurt by it"; I didn't try to deflect it by attacking someone else, or their spouse; I didn't lie to an entire nation on live TV and say, "Nope, that never happened." I simply said, "I'm sorry, I made a mistake, I'm accountable, I'll do better next time."

See, that's another big thing we talk about in the locker room. Accountability. In a professional sports environment, all of us are accountable to each other. We're a team. If one of us messes up on the field, it affects everyone. Just like if a president makes a bad decision, it affects everyone. And do you know, Donald, the only way the team wins games? The only way we win is if, in the locker room, we're willing to accept that accountability, address our mistakes, and work as hard as we possibly can to make sure those mistakes don't happen again.

We don't double down on a shitty play simply because a small portion of the fan base got excited by it. We don't try to carve the team apart from the inside to appease a certain position group. We don't blame our mistakes on something someone else did, because if we do any of those things, we lose, something you've become intimately familiar with on a personal, financial, and political level, and I'm not having too many difficulties reviewing how that happened to you on the game film.

So let me conclude with some advice for you, Donald. The next time you want to claim that something is "locker room talk," take a moment to recognize the fact that were you in an actual locker room, you would be universally reviled as a cancerous, egotistical train wreck of a disgrace that no team could possibly find the time to employ and, honestly, would never even have on their draft board to begin with.

I've been in locker rooms, Donald, and you're the type of narcissistic, pants-soiling fecal eruption that just doesn't belong. Even football players are smart enough to know that.

Sincerely,

Chris Kluwe

Former NFL player, proud father of two daughters I’m afraid you would eagerly deport and/or molest, American citizen



http://www.vox.com/first-person/2016/10/10/13230346/donald-trump-locker-room-talk-chris-kluwe

Chris Kluwe is dope as fuck. Just an all around good guy.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
October 11 2016 03:13 GMT
#109883
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CatharsisUT
Profile Joined March 2011
United States487 Posts
October 11 2016 03:14 GMT
#109884
On October 11 2016 11:19 Plansix wrote:


This story is crazy.


OK previously I thought it was just a fetish for Trump to see a strongman in charge of a country...seems the connection is more formal than that.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-11 03:24:31
October 11 2016 03:18 GMT
#109885
I wouldn't be surprised if he gave Putin his sex tape with Ivanka as collateral for his loans from the Russian mob at this point.

Also, the RNC nevada chair has stated that she is voting against any candidates that does not support Trump and withdrawing her support for them. (Joe Heck is on the record as not supporting him and it's a close race). She admitted that it was "civil war" for the GOP.
http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000558135
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 11 2016 03:24 GMT
#109886
On October 11 2016 12:13 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2016 11:50 LegalLord wrote:
On October 11 2016 11:44 Plansix wrote:
On October 11 2016 11:42 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Somebody needs to train Trump in how to properly spread disinfo while maintaining your image as a non-agent because he's not very good at it

I can only imagine how his conversations about that go.

We are 30 days from the election and people are just starting to figure this shit out. Other folks have been pointing this out for months, but now that we are facing the double barrel of the pussy grabber, everyone is like "Man this Russia stuff is weird, right? Its weird."

I dunno, the "Trump has Russia ties" line has been consistently used by the Clinton camp for a while, including with the whole Manafort controversy.

Has there been any solid proof of the Russia ties?

It's highly circumstantial, but I'm pretty sure they're there. That or he just has a tendency to be remarkably deferential to Russia in a way that involves incorporating Russian government talking points into his campaign. I say that as one of the most pro-Russian people in this thread.

On the Russian news front*... the coverage is disproportionately about Trump, but not entirely in a positive light. He just says a lot more than Clinton does, and more people have an opinion about him. I thought it was biased at first but now I'm not so sure.

* Actual news, not English-language propaganda outlets.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
October 11 2016 03:27 GMT
#109887
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Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
October 11 2016 03:32 GMT
#109888
On October 11 2016 12:13 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2016 11:50 LegalLord wrote:
On October 11 2016 11:44 Plansix wrote:
On October 11 2016 11:42 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Somebody needs to train Trump in how to properly spread disinfo while maintaining your image as a non-agent because he's not very good at it

I can only imagine how his conversations about that go.

We are 30 days from the election and people are just starting to figure this shit out. Other folks have been pointing this out for months, but now that we are facing the double barrel of the pussy grabber, everyone is like "Man this Russia stuff is weird, right? Its weird."

I dunno, the "Trump has Russia ties" line has been consistently used by the Clinton camp for a while, including with the whole Manafort controversy.

Has there been any solid proof of the Russia ties?

Trump asked for ONE change in the RNC's official platform.

Just ONE change.

The ONE change Trump asked for, in the platform, was to remove the "hard" stance of protecting Ukraine.

His ties to Russia are fucking hilariously blatant.
Big water
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-11 03:34:34
October 11 2016 03:32 GMT
#109889
My bet is that he sees Russia as an ally to help him secure the White House. And trump is enough of a rube to think that is a good thing. His ties to Russia are so obvious now it's comical.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-11 03:34:21
October 11 2016 03:33 GMT
#109890
Unfortunately, the Russian government is/would be much better at covering their tracks in these matters than Trump is with his charlatan foundation, so any direct evidence is extremely unlikely to come to light even if it's for real.

All we'll ever see is circumstantial things like the fact that literally the only plank at the convention Trump cared about being about the Ukraine and constantly saying "I don't know" about things with respect to Russia in the face of direct evidence to the contrary when he believes he knows everything else including how to order a sneaky sneak attack.

If only they were as incompetent as Trump we could have a real October surprise.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 11 2016 03:41 GMT
#109891
Honestly, I'm not even sure that meddling with elections in other governments is a good idea. Most people with even the slightest sense of national pride take severe offense at the perception of foreign meddling in government elections. The reaction I've seen so far in the US is actually one of the most mild I've ever seen to perceived meddling.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
October 11 2016 03:45 GMT
#109892
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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
October 11 2016 03:51 GMT
#109893
Trump isn't a Russian plant, he's just incompetent and runs a campaign that threatens NATO cohesion and especially the unconditional support for the Eastern European allies, so that's obviously enough reason for Russia to start meddling. Also Trump's rants about bombing families or whatnot normalises brash military behaviour.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 11 2016 03:51 GMT
#109894
I could easily believe that it isn't the Russian government directly influencing him, but just that he feels he needs to fall in line with a more pro-Russian position because they complimented him well enough. He seems vain enough to fall into that kind of compliment trap.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
October 11 2016 03:54 GMT
#109895
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Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-11 04:07:19
October 11 2016 03:56 GMT
#109896
It'd be nice if Trump would do more debates so he could slip up more information like this when asked questions lol
There is no one like you in the universe.
JW_DTLA
Profile Joined December 2015
242 Posts
October 11 2016 04:23 GMT
#109897
On October 11 2016 12:51 LegalLord wrote:
I could easily believe that it isn't the Russian government directly influencing him, but just that he feels he needs to fall in line with a more pro-Russian position because they complimented him well enough. He seems vain enough to fall into that kind of compliment trap.


Trump is a deep ignoramus on foreign affairs. He has an aversion to doing homework. But somehow at the debate he said "Syria is fighting ISIS, Russia is fighting ISIS, and Iran is fighting ISIS". Someone steeped in the Russian propaganda-sphere fed him that line because you won't find that line in Western Journalism. You can't turn on CNN and get that perspective. No rightwing foreign policy wonk would ever say that Iran is fighting ISIS.

And now we have the bizarre Eichenwald deal where someone is feeding Trump lines straight from the source.
RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
October 11 2016 04:23 GMT
#109898
On October 11 2016 12:32 Leporello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2016 12:13 plasmidghost wrote:
On October 11 2016 11:50 LegalLord wrote:
On October 11 2016 11:44 Plansix wrote:
On October 11 2016 11:42 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Somebody needs to train Trump in how to properly spread disinfo while maintaining your image as a non-agent because he's not very good at it

I can only imagine how his conversations about that go.

We are 30 days from the election and people are just starting to figure this shit out. Other folks have been pointing this out for months, but now that we are facing the double barrel of the pussy grabber, everyone is like "Man this Russia stuff is weird, right? Its weird."

I dunno, the "Trump has Russia ties" line has been consistently used by the Clinton camp for a while, including with the whole Manafort controversy.

Has there been any solid proof of the Russia ties?

Trump asked for ONE change in the RNC's official platform.

Just ONE change.

The ONE change Trump asked for, in the platform, was to remove the "hard" stance of protecting Ukraine.

His ties to Russia are fucking hilariously blatant.


America can't afford to protect other countries anymore.
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
October 11 2016 04:30 GMT
#109899
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
October 11 2016 04:31 GMT
#109900
On October 11 2016 13:23 RealityIsKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2016 12:32 Leporello wrote:
On October 11 2016 12:13 plasmidghost wrote:
On October 11 2016 11:50 LegalLord wrote:
On October 11 2016 11:44 Plansix wrote:
On October 11 2016 11:42 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Somebody needs to train Trump in how to properly spread disinfo while maintaining your image as a non-agent because he's not very good at it

I can only imagine how his conversations about that go.

We are 30 days from the election and people are just starting to figure this shit out. Other folks have been pointing this out for months, but now that we are facing the double barrel of the pussy grabber, everyone is like "Man this Russia stuff is weird, right? Its weird."

I dunno, the "Trump has Russia ties" line has been consistently used by the Clinton camp for a while, including with the whole Manafort controversy.

Has there been any solid proof of the Russia ties?

Trump asked for ONE change in the RNC's official platform.

Just ONE change.

The ONE change Trump asked for, in the platform, was to remove the "hard" stance of protecting Ukraine.

His ties to Russia are fucking hilariously blatant.


America can't afford to protect other countries anymore.

I'm sure there is a ton of savings to be had from all the protection you're providing Ukraine.
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