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On October 09 2016 07:20 biology]major wrote:
That's because you have probably never been around high profile celebrities who have women throwing themselves at them at the flick of a finger. Lets be real, Trump is no saint, and probably has lower ethical standards than the average american, leading him to easily succumb to temptation. His point is similar to what he said about shooting someone in the middle of the street, with his supporters still willing to support him. His attitudes are simply a result of his life experience, which makes complete sense.
Women and men both objectify the shit out of each other in private conversations. That's the result of having a monkey brain with a layer of rationality added on top.
Ok, so suppose I accept the fact that Trump's utter lack of inhibition is a natural product of his upbringing and his experiences. Suppose I'm okay with his comments on a "moral" level (this is actually close to where I am, as I didn't react to his comment with the visceral outrage that many in this thread did).
Am I supposed to believe that an utter lack of emotional inhibition is a quality that's supposed to be acceptable for the highest office in the nation? Especially when he has demonstrated that this lack of emotional inhibition extends not only to his sexual escapades, but to every aspect of how he's conducted his public life? He's shown an inability to handle himself in the face of detractors (literally losing sleep over accusations made against him), an inability to follow standard decorum expected of a world leader, and has emotionally manipulated by his opponents multiple times this election cycle. And this is supposed to be "okay"? Even if you don't find any of these individual actions reprehensible in and of themselves, doesn't this lack of self-control worry you even a little bit insofar as his ability to make rational decisions under pressure if we put him in the White House?
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On October 09 2016 07:41 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 07:20 biology]major wrote:
That's because you have probably never been around high profile celebrities who have women throwing themselves at them at the flick of a finger. Lets be real, Trump is no saint, and probably has lower ethical standards than the average american, leading him to easily succumb to temptation. His point is similar to what he said about shooting someone in the middle of the street, with his supporters still willing to support him. His attitudes are simply a result of his life experience, which makes complete sense.
Women and men both objectify the shit out of each other in private conversations. That's the result of having a monkey brain with a layer of rationality added on top. Ok, so suppose I accept the fact that Trump's utter lack of inhibition is a natural product of his upbringing and his experiences. Suppose I'm okay with his comments on a "moral" level (this is actually close to where I am, as I didn't react to his comment with the visceral outrage that many in this thread did). Am I supposed to believe that an utter lack of emotional inhibition is a quality that's supposed to be acceptable for the highest office in the nation? Especially when he has demonstrated that this lack of emotional inhibition extends not only to his sexual escapades, but to every aspect of how he's conducted his public life? He's shown an inability to handle himself in the face of detractors (literally losing sleep over accusations made against him), an inability to follow standard decorum expected of a world leader, and has emotionally manipulated by his opponents multiple times this election cycle. And this is supposed to be "okay"? Even if I don't find any of these individual actions reprehensible in and of themselves, doesn't this lack of self-control worry you even a little bit insofar as his ability to make rational decisions under pressure if we put him in the White House?
It does worry me, Trump is a complete dice roll and anyone saying otherwise is fooling themselves. Clinton is the status quo.
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On October 09 2016 06:58 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 06:50 Danglars wrote:
I should drag you into my big imposing law firm and offer you free representation should ... I don't know ... someone leak your name and Bill Clinton's in a future scandal. We'll see how bull-headed you are then. Hillary apologists everywhere. The ridiculous part of you and others' ridiculous behavior is that you'll hear less and less good faith attempts to persuade you otherwise when you demonstrate you wouldn't even be persuaded had he raped someone in front of you in broad daylight if his wife claimed it didn't happen the next day.
I gladly believe that Bill is a pretty bad husband and that he's had tons of affairs, but there's never been any proof of him actually raping someone. And I'm not just talking about him being let off the leash on some technicality, it's just never been proven that he has assaulted somebody. In this case we have Trump on audio bragging about his assaults, which is why this is sticking.
Hence, why I say you could be a personal witness to a rape and deny any evidence existing should his wife side with the husband. One valuable exercise for you should be to research the women who claim to have been raped by Bill Clinton, the amount of their settlements, and the detailed nature of their testimony. I'm in no mood to convince the unconvinceable. You may reject all proof and remain adamant there is no proof, and I only hope real rape victims continue to come forward to accuse powerful men even knowing people like Nyxisto exist in the world.
On October 09 2016 07:02 kwizach wrote:Condoleezza Rice: Show nested quote +Enough! Donald Trump should not be President. He should withdraw.
As a Republican, I hope to support someone who has the dignity and stature to run for the highest office in the greatest democracy on earth. @Danglars: Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 06:50 Danglars wrote:
Holy check, just when you think everybody's on low-power analysis mode, someone accurately calls it standard locker room nonsense. And can see a focus on 11 years ago is a product of the PC movement to boot--while believing a broad condemnation of sexism and anti-women legislation is in order. I don't know what kind of comments you make in locker rooms, but I've never met anyone bragging about assaulting women.
Okay, we need some billionaire TeamLiquid posters to come forward about what kind of conversations occur in the locker rooms of the rich and famous. I'm with Grumbels as weird as that sounds. I'm not talking about penetrative sexual assault, because I think everybody generally assumes boasting about "assaulting women" would include that. But I suspect you generalize with purpose to smear by association.
On October 09 2016 07:06 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 06:23 Danglars wrote:
See: He's not running for Pope, and his opponent is bad or worse on sexual ethics. I would say it's self-explanatory, but this election has done something to Democrat supporters, without the benefit of hindsight to see themselves doing it.
And none of that is a defense of the idiotic things Scott Adams said, which you set out to defend.
I discussed concurring with almost every point. So far I only heard one thing in response: some humorless blockhead that can't have fun with "polyamorous alpha male serial kisser." Talk about insensitive of other's lifestyles! (really, selective literalism and you're only allowed to make demeaning jokes about Trump. The rest aren't funny, guys!)
On October 09 2016 07:20 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 07:02 kwizach wrote:Condoleezza Rice: Enough! Donald Trump should not be President. He should withdraw.
As a Republican, I hope to support someone who has the dignity and stature to run for the highest office in the greatest democracy on earth. @Danglars: On October 09 2016 06:50 Danglars wrote:
Holy check, just when you think everybody's on low-power analysis mode, someone accurately calls it standard locker room nonsense. And can see a focus on 11 years ago is a product of the PC movement to boot--while believing a broad condemnation of sexism and anti-women legislation is in order. I don't know what kind of comments you make in locker rooms, but I've never met anyone bragging about assaulting women in locker rooms. That's because you have probably never been around high profile celebrities who have women throwing themselves at them at the flick of a finger. Lets be real, Trump is no saint, and probably has lower ethical standards than the average american, leading him to easily succumb to temptation. His point is similar to what he said about shooting someone in the middle of the street, with his supporters still willing to support him. His attitudes are simply a result of his life experience, which makes complete sense. Women and men both objectify the shit out of each other in private conversations. That's the result of having a monkey brain with a layer of rationality added on top.
I think we're actively retconning Trump's 5th avenue shooting scenario. He was actually joking about murdering strangers, and I can't believe how anybody would support such a murder-supporter. Yet another reason why Republicans are bending over backwards to support Trump.
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Trump is a dice roll, but compared to the status quo, he's still -EV. And things kinda suck, but they're not so desperate that I'd take a -EV dice roll.
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On October 09 2016 07:45 TheYango wrote:
Trump is a dice roll, but compared to the status quo, he's still -EV. And things kinda suck, but they're not so desperate that I'd take a -EV dice roll.
I'm torn between thinking more people overestimate how good the status quo is, or more people underestimate Hillary's rolls at craps.
On October 09 2016 07:41 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 07:20 biology]major wrote:
That's because you have probably never been around high profile celebrities who have women throwing themselves at them at the flick of a finger. Lets be real, Trump is no saint, and probably has lower ethical standards than the average american, leading him to easily succumb to temptation. His point is similar to what he said about shooting someone in the middle of the street, with his supporters still willing to support him. His attitudes are simply a result of his life experience, which makes complete sense.
Women and men both objectify the shit out of each other in private conversations. That's the result of having a monkey brain with a layer of rationality added on top. Ok, so suppose I accept the fact that Trump's utter lack of inhibition is a natural product of his upbringing and his experiences. Suppose I'm okay with his comments on a "moral" level (this is actually close to where I am, as I didn't react to his comment with the visceral outrage that many in this thread did). Am I supposed to believe that an utter lack of emotional inhibition is a quality that's supposed to be acceptable for the highest office in the nation? Especially when he has demonstrated that this lack of emotional inhibition extends not only to his sexual escapades, but to every aspect of how he's conducted his public life? He's shown an inability to handle himself in the face of detractors (literally losing sleep over accusations made against him), an inability to follow standard decorum expected of a world leader, and has emotionally manipulated by his opponents multiple times this election cycle. And this is supposed to be "okay"? Even if you don't find any of these individual actions reprehensible in and of themselves, doesn't this lack of self-control worry you even a little bit insofar as his ability to make rational decisions under pressure if we put him in the White House?
It's not supposed to be acceptable for the highest office in the nation. But, the Democrats again ran somebody worse, as sad as the history shows. I can even stipulate that if Biden (or rewind the tape Lieberman) won nomination, assuming he didn't have huge skeletons in his closet I don't know about, the subject of Trump's sexual attitudes would hit harder.
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Furthermore you don't find it interesting that the supposed head of the anti-PC movement is driven entirely on emotion? You see the PC club are whiny bitches who get all bent out of shape and are emotional pussies about everything. What we need to counter them is a man with mythically thin skin who flies from one thing to the next based on his unchecked emotions from the party that believes that facts don't matter, what people FEEL matters.
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On October 09 2016 07:29 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 07:24 Gorsameth wrote:On October 09 2016 07:20 biology]major wrote:On October 09 2016 07:02 kwizach wrote:Condoleezza Rice: Enough! Donald Trump should not be President. He should withdraw.
As a Republican, I hope to support someone who has the dignity and stature to run for the highest office in the greatest democracy on earth. @Danglars: On October 09 2016 06:50 Danglars wrote:
Holy check, just when you think everybody's on low-power analysis mode, someone accurately calls it standard locker room nonsense. And can see a focus on 11 years ago is a product of the PC movement to boot--while believing a broad condemnation of sexism and anti-women legislation is in order. I don't know what kind of comments you make in locker rooms, but I've never met anyone bragging about assaulting women in locker rooms. That's because you have probably never been around high profile celebrities who have women throwing themselves at them at the flick of a finger. Lets be real, Trump is no saint, and probably has lower ethical standards than the average american, leading him to easily succumb to temptation. His point is similar to what he said about shooting someone in the middle of the street, with his supporters still willing to support him. His attitudes are simply a result of his life experience, which makes complete sense. Women and men both objectify the shit out of each other in private conversations. That's the result of having a monkey brain with a layer of rationality added on top. Objectifying women in private conversations is one thing (Trump did it before with the Apprentice stuff. and its still not a good thing). But this is Trump casually mentioning Sexual Assault. Thats a whole different ballpark and as seen by the reaction it draws. It utterly no acceptable, celebrity or not. I am not defending him, just explaining why. He is a person with already low bar of ethics while being tested with levels of temptation only a high profile celebrity can attain. On top of that, he has learned from experience that he can literally do anything and still attract women. He is saying they LIKE IT, not that he is forcing himself on people. It's a different ball game, easy to talk about being ethically consistent when you don't have the same level of temptation knocking on your door every moment.
No, he's forcing himself on people. He bragged that he can leverage his money/influence to assault people. You know how the alt right keeps saying that Bill is a rapist and that he should hang? Trump is on record saying that he does that. Now, it's fine that you support someone who is a sexual assault enthusiast. You probably have a lot of pent-up sexual angst and dream of a world where you could commit acts of sexual assault without consequence. Coming from someone with a waiting list of people who want to sleep with me, you're dead wrong. The world you're imagining doesn't exist. Trump is no different from your run of the mill child molester who keeps his victims in line by threatening them.
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Grumbels, imo when you describe someone as 'evil' you're describing their morality rather than their policies or political performance. Attempting to turn political alignment into moral alignment severely polarizes the discussion and makes it virtually impossible to find common ground. If I make a political suggestion and someone points out that that political suggestion would lead to group x being hurt by it, or that it's unfeasible for reason x, or that it'll hurt the economy in way x, it's possible that I will change my opinion if the argument is persuasive enough and if it's possible to amend my suggestion in a way where said problem stops being a problem. However if I'm described as evil for holding a particular point of view, I'm just not going to bother listening - probably not with responding seriously either. And when groups of people (and political alignment is certainly one way of distinguishing various groups of people) stop talking to each other, they tend to start viewing and characterizing the other group through exaggerated depictions devoid of nuancy, which again contributes to the start of the problem. Imo, the language you defend using makes you part of the downward spiral political discourse has been going through for the past decade or so- and stopping this trend takes conscious effort from both sides of the aisle.
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On October 09 2016 07:48 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 07:45 TheYango wrote:
Trump is a dice roll, but compared to the status quo, he's still -EV. And things kinda suck, but they're not so desperate that I'd take a -EV dice roll. I'm torn between thinking more people overestimate how good the status quo is, or more people underestimate Hillary's rolls at craps.
I'll freely admit that I probably overestimate how "okay" the status quo is, but I'm not going to pretend I have the perspective of people who have it really shit under the status quo and I can't vote based on information I don't have.
Insofar as the variance of a Clinton presidency, my assumption is that she won't be able to get anything really outrageous done if the Republicans retain control of Congress, but if they decide to implode right now, that may no longer be the case.
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On October 09 2016 07:43 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 07:41 TheYango wrote:On October 09 2016 07:20 biology]major wrote:
That's because you have probably never been around high profile celebrities who have women throwing themselves at them at the flick of a finger. Lets be real, Trump is no saint, and probably has lower ethical standards than the average american, leading him to easily succumb to temptation. His point is similar to what he said about shooting someone in the middle of the street, with his supporters still willing to support him. His attitudes are simply a result of his life experience, which makes complete sense.
Women and men both objectify the shit out of each other in private conversations. That's the result of having a monkey brain with a layer of rationality added on top. Ok, so suppose I accept the fact that Trump's utter lack of inhibition is a natural product of his upbringing and his experiences. Suppose I'm okay with his comments on a "moral" level (this is actually close to where I am, as I didn't react to his comment with the visceral outrage that many in this thread did). Am I supposed to believe that an utter lack of emotional inhibition is a quality that's supposed to be acceptable for the highest office in the nation? Especially when he has demonstrated that this lack of emotional inhibition extends not only to his sexual escapades, but to every aspect of how he's conducted his public life? He's shown an inability to handle himself in the face of detractors (literally losing sleep over accusations made against him), an inability to follow standard decorum expected of a world leader, and has emotionally manipulated by his opponents multiple times this election cycle. And this is supposed to be "okay"? Even if I don't find any of these individual actions reprehensible in and of themselves, doesn't this lack of self-control worry you even a little bit insofar as his ability to make rational decisions under pressure if we put him in the White House? It does worry me, Trump is a complete dice roll and anyone saying otherwise is fooling themselves. Clinton is the status quo.
I'm not fooling myself when I say Trump is not a dice roll, he's doesn't have some mysterious qualities and intentions that we're unable to see. He's not playing 4D chess, he's about as easy as it gets to fully read someone.
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On October 09 2016 07:51 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Grumbels, imo when you describe someone as 'evil' you're describing their morality rather than their policies or political performance. Attempting to turn political alignment into moral alignment severely polarizes the discussion and makes it virtually impossible to find common ground. If I make a political suggestion and someone points out that that political suggestion would lead to group x being hurt by it, or that it's unfeasible for reason x, or that it'll hurt the economy in way x, it's possible that I will change my opinion if the argument is persuasive enough and if it's possible to amend my suggestion in a way where said problem stops being a problem. However if I'm described as evil for holding a particular point of view, I'm just not going to bother listening - probably not with responding seriously either. And when groups of people (and political alignment is certainly one way of distinguishing various groups of people) stop talking to each other, they tend to start viewing and characterizing the other group through exaggerated depictions devoid of nuancy, which again contributes to the start of the problem. Imo, the language you defend using makes you part of the downward spiral political discourse has been going through for the past decade or so- and stopping this trend takes conscious choice from both sides of the aisle.
...eh, they are dungeons and dragons terms, lawful and chaotic evil
you are taking them more seriously than I intended by making post after post about how omg you used the word evil, you are polarizing the debate, you are what's wrong with the political culture
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On October 09 2016 07:45 Danglars wrote:
I discussed concurring with almost every point. So far I only heard one thing in response: some humorless blockhead that can't have fun with "polyamorous alpha male serial kisser." Talk about insensitive of other's lifestyles! (really, selective literalism and you're only allowed to make demeaning jokes about Trump. The rest aren't funny, guys!)
Making a dismissive nonsensical joke and then complaining that others have no humor isn't discussing a point.
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On October 09 2016 07:49 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 07:29 biology]major wrote:On October 09 2016 07:24 Gorsameth wrote:On October 09 2016 07:20 biology]major wrote:On October 09 2016 07:02 kwizach wrote:Condoleezza Rice: Enough! Donald Trump should not be President. He should withdraw.
As a Republican, I hope to support someone who has the dignity and stature to run for the highest office in the greatest democracy on earth. @Danglars: On October 09 2016 06:50 Danglars wrote:
Holy check, just when you think everybody's on low-power analysis mode, someone accurately calls it standard locker room nonsense. And can see a focus on 11 years ago is a product of the PC movement to boot--while believing a broad condemnation of sexism and anti-women legislation is in order. I don't know what kind of comments you make in locker rooms, but I've never met anyone bragging about assaulting women in locker rooms. That's because you have probably never been around high profile celebrities who have women throwing themselves at them at the flick of a finger. Lets be real, Trump is no saint, and probably has lower ethical standards than the average american, leading him to easily succumb to temptation. His point is similar to what he said about shooting someone in the middle of the street, with his supporters still willing to support him. His attitudes are simply a result of his life experience, which makes complete sense. Women and men both objectify the shit out of each other in private conversations. That's the result of having a monkey brain with a layer of rationality added on top. Objectifying women in private conversations is one thing (Trump did it before with the Apprentice stuff. and its still not a good thing). But this is Trump casually mentioning Sexual Assault. Thats a whole different ballpark and as seen by the reaction it draws. It utterly no acceptable, celebrity or not. I am not defending him, just explaining why. He is a person with already low bar of ethics while being tested with levels of temptation only a high profile celebrity can attain. On top of that, he has learned from experience that he can literally do anything and still attract women. He is saying they LIKE IT, not that he is forcing himself on people. It's a different ball game, easy to talk about being ethically consistent when you don't have the same level of temptation knocking on your door every moment. No, he's forcing himself on people. He bragged that he can leverage his money/influence to assault people. You know how the alt right keeps saying that Bill is a rapist and that he should hang? Trump is on record saying that he does that. Now, it's fine that you support someone who is a sexual assault enthusiast. You probably have a lot of pent-up sexual angst and dream of a world where you could commit acts of sexual assault without consequence. Coming from someone with a waiting list of people who want to sleep with me, you're dead wrong. The world you're imagining doesn't exist. Trump is no different from your run of the mill child molester who keeps his victims in line by threatening them.
my sex life is fine, but I am not naive enough to think I face anywhere close to the same temptation as a celebrity. Either way, his comments are unacceptable, but are not a surprise to me. We have two shitty choices. He needs to not be a bitch and apologize straight up.
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On October 09 2016 08:06 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 07:49 Jormundr wrote:On October 09 2016 07:29 biology]major wrote:On October 09 2016 07:24 Gorsameth wrote:On October 09 2016 07:20 biology]major wrote:On October 09 2016 07:02 kwizach wrote:Condoleezza Rice: Enough! Donald Trump should not be President. He should withdraw.
As a Republican, I hope to support someone who has the dignity and stature to run for the highest office in the greatest democracy on earth. @Danglars: On October 09 2016 06:50 Danglars wrote:
Holy check, just when you think everybody's on low-power analysis mode, someone accurately calls it standard locker room nonsense. And can see a focus on 11 years ago is a product of the PC movement to boot--while believing a broad condemnation of sexism and anti-women legislation is in order. I don't know what kind of comments you make in locker rooms, but I've never met anyone bragging about assaulting women in locker rooms. That's because you have probably never been around high profile celebrities who have women throwing themselves at them at the flick of a finger. Lets be real, Trump is no saint, and probably has lower ethical standards than the average american, leading him to easily succumb to temptation. His point is similar to what he said about shooting someone in the middle of the street, with his supporters still willing to support him. His attitudes are simply a result of his life experience, which makes complete sense. Women and men both objectify the shit out of each other in private conversations. That's the result of having a monkey brain with a layer of rationality added on top. Objectifying women in private conversations is one thing (Trump did it before with the Apprentice stuff. and its still not a good thing). But this is Trump casually mentioning Sexual Assault. Thats a whole different ballpark and as seen by the reaction it draws. It utterly no acceptable, celebrity or not. I am not defending him, just explaining why. He is a person with already low bar of ethics while being tested with levels of temptation only a high profile celebrity can attain. On top of that, he has learned from experience that he can literally do anything and still attract women. He is saying they LIKE IT, not that he is forcing himself on people. It's a different ball game, easy to talk about being ethically consistent when you don't have the same level of temptation knocking on your door every moment. No, he's forcing himself on people. He bragged that he can leverage his money/influence to assault people. You know how the alt right keeps saying that Bill is a rapist and that he should hang? Trump is on record saying that he does that. Now, it's fine that you support someone who is a sexual assault enthusiast. You probably have a lot of pent-up sexual angst and dream of a world where you could commit acts of sexual assault without consequence. Coming from someone with a waiting list of people who want to sleep with me, you're dead wrong. The world you're imagining doesn't exist. Trump is no different from your run of the mill child molester who keeps his victims in line by threatening them. my sex life is fine, but I am not naive enough to think I face anywhere close to the same temptation as a celebrity. Either way, his comments are unacceptable, but are not a surprise to me. We have two shitty choices. He needs to not be a bitch and apologize straight up.
Then don't try to defend him. Everyone is capable of not sexually assaulting people. He is not special in this regard, and quite honestly he faces far less temptation than I do and I manage fine. It's not tempting to violate someone's consent unless you're a rapist or a narcissist.
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On October 09 2016 08:06 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 07:49 Jormundr wrote:On October 09 2016 07:29 biology]major wrote:On October 09 2016 07:24 Gorsameth wrote:On October 09 2016 07:20 biology]major wrote:On October 09 2016 07:02 kwizach wrote:Condoleezza Rice: Enough! Donald Trump should not be President. He should withdraw.
As a Republican, I hope to support someone who has the dignity and stature to run for the highest office in the greatest democracy on earth. @Danglars: On October 09 2016 06:50 Danglars wrote:
Holy check, just when you think everybody's on low-power analysis mode, someone accurately calls it standard locker room nonsense. And can see a focus on 11 years ago is a product of the PC movement to boot--while believing a broad condemnation of sexism and anti-women legislation is in order. I don't know what kind of comments you make in locker rooms, but I've never met anyone bragging about assaulting women in locker rooms. That's because you have probably never been around high profile celebrities who have women throwing themselves at them at the flick of a finger. Lets be real, Trump is no saint, and probably has lower ethical standards than the average american, leading him to easily succumb to temptation. His point is similar to what he said about shooting someone in the middle of the street, with his supporters still willing to support him. His attitudes are simply a result of his life experience, which makes complete sense. Women and men both objectify the shit out of each other in private conversations. That's the result of having a monkey brain with a layer of rationality added on top. Objectifying women in private conversations is one thing (Trump did it before with the Apprentice stuff. and its still not a good thing). But this is Trump casually mentioning Sexual Assault. Thats a whole different ballpark and as seen by the reaction it draws. It utterly no acceptable, celebrity or not. I am not defending him, just explaining why. He is a person with already low bar of ethics while being tested with levels of temptation only a high profile celebrity can attain. On top of that, he has learned from experience that he can literally do anything and still attract women. He is saying they LIKE IT, not that he is forcing himself on people. It's a different ball game, easy to talk about being ethically consistent when you don't have the same level of temptation knocking on your door every moment. No, he's forcing himself on people. He bragged that he can leverage his money/influence to assault people. You know how the alt right keeps saying that Bill is a rapist and that he should hang? Trump is on record saying that he does that. Now, it's fine that you support someone who is a sexual assault enthusiast. You probably have a lot of pent-up sexual angst and dream of a world where you could commit acts of sexual assault without consequence. Coming from someone with a waiting list of people who want to sleep with me, you're dead wrong. The world you're imagining doesn't exist. Trump is no different from your run of the mill child molester who keeps his victims in line by threatening them. my sex life is fine, but I am not naive enough to think I face anywhere close to the same temptation as a celebrity. Either way, his comments are unacceptable, but are not a surprise to me. We have two shitty choices. He needs to not be a bitch and apologize straight up.
Love how you keep talking about “temptation,” as if the problem was coming from the outside.
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"Make no mistake ladies, Trump may be the face of your sexual assaulter, but Pence is the face of the judge who made sure he got away with it."
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On October 09 2016 08:12 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 08:06 biology]major wrote:On October 09 2016 07:49 Jormundr wrote:On October 09 2016 07:29 biology]major wrote:On October 09 2016 07:24 Gorsameth wrote:On October 09 2016 07:20 biology]major wrote:On October 09 2016 07:02 kwizach wrote:Condoleezza Rice: Enough! Donald Trump should not be President. He should withdraw.
As a Republican, I hope to support someone who has the dignity and stature to run for the highest office in the greatest democracy on earth. @Danglars: On October 09 2016 06:50 Danglars wrote:
Holy check, just when you think everybody's on low-power analysis mode, someone accurately calls it standard locker room nonsense. And can see a focus on 11 years ago is a product of the PC movement to boot--while believing a broad condemnation of sexism and anti-women legislation is in order. I don't know what kind of comments you make in locker rooms, but I've never met anyone bragging about assaulting women in locker rooms. That's because you have probably never been around high profile celebrities who have women throwing themselves at them at the flick of a finger. Lets be real, Trump is no saint, and probably has lower ethical standards than the average american, leading him to easily succumb to temptation. His point is similar to what he said about shooting someone in the middle of the street, with his supporters still willing to support him. His attitudes are simply a result of his life experience, which makes complete sense. Women and men both objectify the shit out of each other in private conversations. That's the result of having a monkey brain with a layer of rationality added on top. Objectifying women in private conversations is one thing (Trump did it before with the Apprentice stuff. and its still not a good thing). But this is Trump casually mentioning Sexual Assault. Thats a whole different ballpark and as seen by the reaction it draws. It utterly no acceptable, celebrity or not. I am not defending him, just explaining why. He is a person with already low bar of ethics while being tested with levels of temptation only a high profile celebrity can attain. On top of that, he has learned from experience that he can literally do anything and still attract women. He is saying they LIKE IT, not that he is forcing himself on people. It's a different ball game, easy to talk about being ethically consistent when you don't have the same level of temptation knocking on your door every moment. No, he's forcing himself on people. He bragged that he can leverage his money/influence to assault people. You know how the alt right keeps saying that Bill is a rapist and that he should hang? Trump is on record saying that he does that. Now, it's fine that you support someone who is a sexual assault enthusiast. You probably have a lot of pent-up sexual angst and dream of a world where you could commit acts of sexual assault without consequence. Coming from someone with a waiting list of people who want to sleep with me, you're dead wrong. The world you're imagining doesn't exist. Trump is no different from your run of the mill child molester who keeps his victims in line by threatening them. my sex life is fine, but I am not naive enough to think I face anywhere close to the same temptation as a celebrity. Either way, his comments are unacceptable, but are not a surprise to me. We have two shitty choices. He needs to not be a bitch and apologize straight up. Love how you keep talking about “temptation,” as if the problem was coming from the outside.
Ethical standards are proven only when they overcome whatever tests them. That is why I keep using that word specifically because in this case we are talking about infidelity and lust. Not only is trump morally bankrupt, but he also faces massive temptation.
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On October 09 2016 08:16 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 08:12 TheDwf wrote:On October 09 2016 08:06 biology]major wrote:On October 09 2016 07:49 Jormundr wrote:On October 09 2016 07:29 biology]major wrote:On October 09 2016 07:24 Gorsameth wrote:On October 09 2016 07:20 biology]major wrote:On October 09 2016 07:02 kwizach wrote:Condoleezza Rice: Enough! Donald Trump should not be President. He should withdraw.
As a Republican, I hope to support someone who has the dignity and stature to run for the highest office in the greatest democracy on earth. @Danglars: On October 09 2016 06:50 Danglars wrote:
Holy check, just when you think everybody's on low-power analysis mode, someone accurately calls it standard locker room nonsense. And can see a focus on 11 years ago is a product of the PC movement to boot--while believing a broad condemnation of sexism and anti-women legislation is in order. I don't know what kind of comments you make in locker rooms, but I've never met anyone bragging about assaulting women in locker rooms. That's because you have probably never been around high profile celebrities who have women throwing themselves at them at the flick of a finger. Lets be real, Trump is no saint, and probably has lower ethical standards than the average american, leading him to easily succumb to temptation. His point is similar to what he said about shooting someone in the middle of the street, with his supporters still willing to support him. His attitudes are simply a result of his life experience, which makes complete sense. Women and men both objectify the shit out of each other in private conversations. That's the result of having a monkey brain with a layer of rationality added on top. Objectifying women in private conversations is one thing (Trump did it before with the Apprentice stuff. and its still not a good thing). But this is Trump casually mentioning Sexual Assault. Thats a whole different ballpark and as seen by the reaction it draws. It utterly no acceptable, celebrity or not. I am not defending him, just explaining why. He is a person with already low bar of ethics while being tested with levels of temptation only a high profile celebrity can attain. On top of that, he has learned from experience that he can literally do anything and still attract women. He is saying they LIKE IT, not that he is forcing himself on people. It's a different ball game, easy to talk about being ethically consistent when you don't have the same level of temptation knocking on your door every moment. No, he's forcing himself on people. He bragged that he can leverage his money/influence to assault people. You know how the alt right keeps saying that Bill is a rapist and that he should hang? Trump is on record saying that he does that. Now, it's fine that you support someone who is a sexual assault enthusiast. You probably have a lot of pent-up sexual angst and dream of a world where you could commit acts of sexual assault without consequence. Coming from someone with a waiting list of people who want to sleep with me, you're dead wrong. The world you're imagining doesn't exist. Trump is no different from your run of the mill child molester who keeps his victims in line by threatening them. my sex life is fine, but I am not naive enough to think I face anywhere close to the same temptation as a celebrity. Either way, his comments are unacceptable, but are not a surprise to me. We have two shitty choices. He needs to not be a bitch and apologize straight up. Love how you keep talking about “temptation,” as if the problem was coming from the outside. Ethical standards are proven only when they overcome whatever tests them. That is why I keep using that word specifically because in this case we are talking about infidelity and lust.
You realize that trump is rich enough that he can actually continue to buy new wives like he always has without resorting to raping people, right?
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