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For Florida residents who think they can ride out Hurricane Matthew, Gov. Rick Scott has just three words:
"Evacuate, evacuate, evacuate."
"There are no excuses. You need to leave," he said on Thursday morning. "This storm will kill you. Time is running out."
Along the coast in Florida, Georgia and South Carolina, millions of residents have been urged to head inland as the powerful hurricane makes its approach.
The storm is strengthening as it batters the Bahamas and moves toward Florida, the National Hurricane Center says. As of Thursday morning, it was a Category 3, but is expected to intensify back into a Category 4 as it nears the Florida coast late Thursday and early Friday, the agency forecasts.
At least 16 people have died as the storm tore through Haiti, Cuba and now the Bahamas, though some news reports say the death toll reaches into the dozens.
In Florida, more than 3,000 people were already in shelters as of Thursday morning, The Associated Press says. More than 1.5 million people in the state have been "urged or ordered to leave the coast," the wire service wrote.
Hospitals and a nursing home near Daytona Beach are transferring patients and residents to facilities further inland, the AP says.
Not everyone is retreating from the coast: One resident of Cape Canaveral told the AP he plans to ride out the storm in his RV less than a mile from the shore. "The hype is going to be worse than the actual storm. I feel I can do quite well," he said.
Scott exhorted any Floridians thinking similarly to change their minds immediately. "If you're reluctant to evacuate just think of all the people this storm has already killed," he said. "You and your family can be among these numbers if you don't take this seriously. "
He warned of winds between 100 and 150 mph, capable of taking down even well-built houses. "No one should take any chances," he said.
In Georgia, where the coastline is relatively short, Gov. Nathan Deal is urging more than 500,000 people to evacuate — the first time the state's coast has been evacuated in 17 years, the AP reports.
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edit: shamelessly reposted from reddit, it was an old video of some bad apples from 7 years ago, not a new incident
+ Show Spoiler [old post] +Your daily bad apples. Also trigger warning for any victims of sexual assault who don't want to hear a woman screaming and begging male police officers who are holding her down to stop forcibly stripping her. If that's you then you don't want to watch this video.
On a bright note because it was so long ago we actually know what happened. After the case received a lot of media attention a hundred or so other women came forwards and said that they were also forcibly stripped with no justification. No police officers lost their jobs. The taxpayers paid off the victims.
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Having dealt with a number of FOIA requests sent to police departments during my time at the Michigan AG, I must say that it has become increasingly difficult to defend the police as a general matter. They will literally do whatever it takes to not let the public know what they are doing, and when caught, they rally around the offending officer like the worst kind of cult.
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On October 06 2016 17:10 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 16:55 Yoav wrote:
But what scares me about Trump as prez is the stuff that doesn't require congress' consent. . Like bombing Libya? The irony here being that Obama has issued more executive orders than all previous presidents combined.
How is that ironic? Dubya and Obama both massively expanded executive power in ways that make Donald Trump way more of a threat (and, incidentally, HRC too, but more in the area of "the president gets caught doing something unethical" scale than the "Poland ceases to exist" scale). My major problem with the two last presidents has been that they valued their ends so far above the importance of the institutions of democracy that they spent political capital making themselves personally powerful rather than fighting for reforms of the system to make Congress functional. As a result, we are left with an unreformed Congress and an imperial presidency, which leaves you with the worst of both worlds. Goals, no matter how noble, that are pursued to the detriment of the political system, are pursued wrongly.
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Donald Trump on Wednesday chalked up his long history of making insulting comments about women to “entertainment.”
"A lot of that was done for the purpose of entertainment,” the Republican nominee told Las Vegas’ KSNV-TV. “I can tell you this: There is nobody — nobody — that has more respect for women than I do.”
Asked about his habit of rating women on a scale from 1-10 and criticizing their bodies, Trump attributed his comments to his public persona as host of NBC’s “Apprentice.”
“You know, you’re in the entertainment business. You’re doing ‘The Apprentice.’ You have one of the top shows on television. And you say things differently for a reason,” Trump said.
Though he assured KSNV reporter Jim Snyder that it would be “easy” for him to tone down those remarks, the real estate mogul’s gendered criticisms have endured long into his presidential campaign.
During the 2016 race, Trump has hinted that Fox News host Megyn Kelly treated him unfriendly because there was “blood coming out of her wherever,” called Kelly a bimbo, and mocked the appearance of Sen. Ted Cruz’s (R-TX) wife.
As recently as last week, Trump went on a tear against former Miss Universe Alicia Machado, who he previously called “Miss Piggy” and “Miss Housekeeping” for gaining “a massive amount of weight” after winning her title. He also targeted Hillary Clinton for her husband’s extramarital affairs.
Trump’s suggestion that he only made derogatory comments about women to bolster his public image as a billionaire playboy also contradict a slew of recent news reports about how he treated women in private.
In an Associated Press investigation out this week, over 20 people who worked on “The Apprentice” described Trump’s inappropriate behind-the-scenes behavior, which included making lewd comments about a camerawoman who he said reminded him of his eldest daughter, frequently remarking on staffers' bodies, and requesting that one contestant twirl before him so he could look at her figure.
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that statement was such a fucking joke it's absurd
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On October 07 2016 01:31 Yoav wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 17:10 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On October 06 2016 16:55 Yoav wrote:
But what scares me about Trump as prez is the stuff that doesn't require congress' consent. . Like bombing Libya? The irony here being that Obama has issued more executive orders than all previous presidents combined. How is that ironic? Dubya and Obama both massively expanded executive power in ways that make Donald Trump way more of a threat (and, incidentally, HRC too, but more in the area of "the president gets caught doing something unethical" scale than the "Poland ceases to exist" scale). My major problem with the two last presidents has been that they valued their ends so far above the importance of the institutions of democracy that they spent political capital making themselves personally powerful rather than fighting for reforms of the system to make Congress functional. As a result, we are left with an unreformed Congress and an imperial presidency, which leaves you with the worst of both worlds. Goals, no matter how noble, that are pursued to the detriment of the political system, are pursued wrongly.
How do you fight for congressional reforms when congress is in the hands of a party who will never ever work with you?
Seriously. How?
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On October 07 2016 01:35 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +Donald Trump on Wednesday chalked up his long history of making insulting comments about women to “entertainment.”
"A lot of that was done for the purpose of entertainment,” the Republican nominee told Las Vegas’ KSNV-TV. “I can tell you this: There is nobody — nobody — that has more respect for women than I do.”
Asked about his habit of rating women on a scale from 1-10 and criticizing their bodies, Trump attributed his comments to his public persona as host of NBC’s “Apprentice.”
“You know, you’re in the entertainment business. You’re doing ‘The Apprentice.’ You have one of the top shows on television. And you say things differently for a reason,” Trump said.
Though he assured KSNV reporter Jim Snyder that it would be “easy” for him to tone down those remarks, the real estate mogul’s gendered criticisms have endured long into his presidential campaign.
During the 2016 race, Trump has hinted that Fox News host Megyn Kelly treated him unfriendly because there was “blood coming out of her wherever,” called Kelly a bimbo, and mocked the appearance of Sen. Ted Cruz’s (R-TX) wife.
As recently as last week, Trump went on a tear against former Miss Universe Alicia Machado, who he previously called “Miss Piggy” and “Miss Housekeeping” for gaining “a massive amount of weight” after winning her title. He also targeted Hillary Clinton for her husband’s extramarital affairs.
Trump’s suggestion that he only made derogatory comments about women to bolster his public image as a billionaire playboy also contradict a slew of recent news reports about how he treated women in private.
In an Associated Press investigation out this week, over 20 people who worked on “The Apprentice” described Trump’s inappropriate behind-the-scenes behavior, which included making lewd comments about a camerawoman who he said reminded him of his eldest daughter, frequently remarking on staffers' bodies, and requesting that one contestant twirl before him so he could look at her figure. Source
"I make fun of women because it gives everyone a good laugh".
And his voting share amongst women fell another X points...
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On October 07 2016 02:01 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2016 01:31 Yoav wrote:On October 06 2016 17:10 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On October 06 2016 16:55 Yoav wrote:
But what scares me about Trump as prez is the stuff that doesn't require congress' consent. . Like bombing Libya? The irony here being that Obama has issued more executive orders than all previous presidents combined. How is that ironic? Dubya and Obama both massively expanded executive power in ways that make Donald Trump way more of a threat (and, incidentally, HRC too, but more in the area of "the president gets caught doing something unethical" scale than the "Poland ceases to exist" scale). My major problem with the two last presidents has been that they valued their ends so far above the importance of the institutions of democracy that they spent political capital making themselves personally powerful rather than fighting for reforms of the system to make Congress functional. As a result, we are left with an unreformed Congress and an imperial presidency, which leaves you with the worst of both worlds. Goals, no matter how noble, that are pursued to the detriment of the political system, are pursued wrongly. How do you fight for congressional reforms when congress is in the hands of a party who will never ever work with you? Seriously. How?
Expecting congressional reforms to come from the executive branch is a misguided anyways. Congress controls itself and how it conducts business. The President has not power to influence that with a congress that is willing to work with him. The process must start in the legislative branch and there is no political will to do it right now. And there hasn’t been since 2010 when the GOP took back the House and Senate.
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On October 07 2016 02:03 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2016 01:35 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Donald Trump on Wednesday chalked up his long history of making insulting comments about women to “entertainment.”
"A lot of that was done for the purpose of entertainment,” the Republican nominee told Las Vegas’ KSNV-TV. “I can tell you this: There is nobody — nobody — that has more respect for women than I do.”
Asked about his habit of rating women on a scale from 1-10 and criticizing their bodies, Trump attributed his comments to his public persona as host of NBC’s “Apprentice.”
“You know, you’re in the entertainment business. You’re doing ‘The Apprentice.’ You have one of the top shows on television. And you say things differently for a reason,” Trump said.
Though he assured KSNV reporter Jim Snyder that it would be “easy” for him to tone down those remarks, the real estate mogul’s gendered criticisms have endured long into his presidential campaign.
During the 2016 race, Trump has hinted that Fox News host Megyn Kelly treated him unfriendly because there was “blood coming out of her wherever,” called Kelly a bimbo, and mocked the appearance of Sen. Ted Cruz’s (R-TX) wife.
As recently as last week, Trump went on a tear against former Miss Universe Alicia Machado, who he previously called “Miss Piggy” and “Miss Housekeeping” for gaining “a massive amount of weight” after winning her title. He also targeted Hillary Clinton for her husband’s extramarital affairs.
Trump’s suggestion that he only made derogatory comments about women to bolster his public image as a billionaire playboy also contradict a slew of recent news reports about how he treated women in private.
In an Associated Press investigation out this week, over 20 people who worked on “The Apprentice” described Trump’s inappropriate behind-the-scenes behavior, which included making lewd comments about a camerawoman who he said reminded him of his eldest daughter, frequently remarking on staffers' bodies, and requesting that one contestant twirl before him so he could look at her figure. Source "I make fun of women because it gives everyone a good laugh". And his voting share amongst women fell another X points...
If it wasn't Trump there would be accusations of match fixing at this point.
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On October 06 2016 23:03 Toadesstern wrote:
Trump is in favor of raising the min wage as well. Don't know his stance on retirement
You sure about that ? I thought he argued that it depended on the state.
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LOL that's awesome, buying ads on the weather channel. "Hurricanes suck ass, huh? Well the GOP has a long history of preventing aid relief for areas suffering from natural disaster"
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So given that pretty much no one is talking about the VP debate, neither here nor anywhere else, I am led to believe that it simply is going to be confined to the deepest depths of irrelevance.
I know people generally say VP debates don't matter, and they usually don't, but I'm not sure that it's true in all generality. The consensus for Biden-Ryan seems to be that it blunted the momentum of the Romney campaign after the first debate.
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On October 07 2016 02:42 LegalLord wrote:
So given that pretty much no one is talking about the VP debate, neither here nor anywhere else, I am led to believe that it simply is going to be confined to the deepest depths of irrelevance.
I know people generally say VP debates don't matter, and they usually don't, but I'm not sure that it's true in all generality. The consensus for Biden-Ryan seems to be that it blunted the momentum of the Romney campaign after the first debate.
I think the VP debate's only purchase to the Clinton campaign was to make better attack ads. Make Pence say Trump hasn't said things, then replay those things. I would say the main thesis of the Clinton campaign is: Trump is not credible and not viable as a president. Kaine's only objective was to be somewhat of a suicide bomber, tank his own image, but make Pence defend stuff he doesn't want to defend. Make Pence decide between his own image and Trump's. Pence seemed to decide on his own (and is continuing to with regards to the Muslim ban), letting the Clinton campaign dump a bunch of new ads showing the complete disconnect within the ticket.
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On October 07 2016 02:42 LegalLord wrote:
So given that pretty much no one is talking about the VP debate, neither here nor anywhere else, I am led to believe that it simply is going to be confined to the deepest depths of irrelevance.
I know people generally say VP debates don't matter, and they usually don't, but I'm not sure that it's true in all generality. The consensus for Biden-Ryan seems to be that it blunted the momentum of the Romney campaign after the first debate.
I think its because there was no real winner.
Pence did better but was wrestling with Trump all night long. So the Republicans don't wanne draw to much attention to it.
Kaine looked like an ass but kept Pence wrestling with Trump. So the Democrats don't wanne draw to much attention to it (outside of sound bites of Pence/Trump contradicting eachother).
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On October 07 2016 02:42 LegalLord wrote:
So given that pretty much no one is talking about the VP debate, neither here nor anywhere else, I am led to believe that it simply is going to be confined to the deepest depths of irrelevance.
I know people generally say VP debates don't matter, and they usually don't, but I'm not sure that it's true in all generality. The consensus for Biden-Ryan seems to be that it blunted the momentum of the Romney campaign after the first debate.
Yeah but the content of what Biden and Ryan went over was meaningful and reflected their personalities and views.
Kaine and Pence were pure surrogates through and through and even then the content was basically the HRC camp trying to drag Pence into a shitflinging contest + Show Spoiler +with the "awe shucks" type of vibe that Kaine gives off
Pence did very well to avoid getting sucked in but still ended up having to defend indefensible positions and Kaine over did it. The moderator might aswell not have asked any questions at all.
So yes VP debates can be constructive and relevant. This one was not. I dont think anyone will disagree with you there.
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Perhaps the merit of the VP debate is in how strongly it supports the ticket overall, or doesn't. Biden vs Ryan was significant because Biden was very specific on policy and very systematically dismantled the Romney-Ryan economic policy in a way that made they look like fools; that failure of the Romney policy was a big reason why he lost. Another one-sided debate, Bentsen vs. Quayle, really only gave the Dukakis ticket the ability to shit on Quayle as a bad VP candidate which didn't do him much good against Bush. Pence vs. Kaine is similar in that it really just doesn't give either side much to work with; Pence won but not in a way that is really relevant to the campaign overall. He just won the head-to-head and that doesn't do much for Trump.
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On October 07 2016 02:37 Mohdoo wrote:
LOL that's awesome, buying ads on the weather channel. "Hurricanes suck ass, huh? Well the GOP has a long history of preventing aid relief for areas suffering from natural disaster"
Plus all those Republicans who deny climate change...
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On October 07 2016 03:02 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2016 02:37 Mohdoo wrote:
LOL that's awesome, buying ads on the weather channel. "Hurricanes suck ass, huh? Well the GOP has a long history of preventing aid relief for areas suffering from natural disaster" Plus all those Republicans who deny climate change...
Putting them on blast for holding up disaster relief is good. I am glad Clinton is bring it up because they have done is since Obama has been in office. From floods to Zika, they have made a practice of holding up federal to score political points and attempt to blame it on Obama. The weird think is that they continue to think it will work, when he approval ratings are high and congresses are through the floor.
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