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On October 07 2016 03:09 Plansix wrote:
The weird think is that they continue to think it will work, when he approval ratings are high and congresses are through the floor.

On October 07 2016 03:18 Mohdoo wrote:


This is what happens when one political party takes a particularly long time to adapt to changes in information transmission and intake.

On October 07 2016 03:18 Mohdoo wrote:


This is what happens when one political party takes a particularly long time to adapt to changes in information transmission and intake.

On October 07 2016 03:09 Plansix wrote:

Putting them on blast for holding up disaster relief is good. I am glad Clinton is bring it up because they have done is since Obama has been in office. From floods to Zika, they have made a practice of holding up federal to score political points and attempt to blame it on Obama. The weird think is that they continue to think it will work, when he approval ratings are high and congresses are through the floor.

The Red Cross says it has provided homes to more than 130,000 people. But the actual number of permanent homes the group has built in all of Haiti: six.

On October 07 2016 04:03 GreenHorizons wrote:


I don't know if the Clinton's want to go there with Haiti in their baggage. I laughed so hard I snorted when Tim Kaine said the Clinton foundation has a higher rating than the red cross.

On October 07 2016 04:03 GreenHorizons wrote:


I don't know if the Clinton's want to go there with Haiti in their baggage. I laughed so hard I snorted when Tim Kaine said the Clinton foundation has a higher rating than the red cross.

On October 07 2016 04:03 GreenHorizons wrote:


I don't know if the Clinton's want to go there with Haiti in their baggage. I laughed so hard I snorted when Tim Kaine said the Clinton foundation has a higher rating than the red cross.

On October 07 2016 04:05 ticklishmusic wrote:


Are you going to substantiate your claims that the Clinton Foundation is an ineffective charity?

In 2011, the Clinton Foundation brokered a deal with Digicel, a cell-phone-service provider seeking to gain access to the Haitian market. The Clintons arranged to have Digicel receive millions in U.S. taxpayer money to provide mobile phones. The USAID Food for Peace program, which the State Department administered through Hillary aide Cheryl Mills, distributed Digicel phones free to Haitians. Digicel didn’t just make money off the U.S. taxpayer; it also made money off the Haitians. When Haitians used the phones, either to make calls or transfer money, they paid Digicel for the service. Haitians using Digicel’s phones also became automatically enrolled in Digicel’s mobile program. By 2012, Digicel had taken over three-quarters of the cell-phone market in Haiti. Digicel is owned by Denis O’Brien, a close friend of the Clintons. O’Brien secured three speaking engagements in his native Ireland that paid $200,000 apiece. These engagements occurred right at the time that Digicel was making its deal with the U.S. State Department. O’Brien has also donated lavishly to the Clinton Foundation, giving between $1 million and $5 million sometime in 2010–2011.

some Clinton-backed projects didn’t come through, such as a $2 million housing expo for thousands of new housing units. The Government Accountability Office found poor planning and unsustainable outcomes for taxpayer-funded projects through USAID, such as a $170 million power plant and port for the Caracol Industrial Park, which the Clinton Foundation promoted.

Hillary Clinton’s younger brother had connections to a mining project in Haiti, raising suspicions among Haitians about the Clintons’ motives. Luxury hotel projects paid by the Clinton-Bush Haiti Fund promised construction jobs — but for Haitians, it represented another disconnect between Clinton-backed efforts and the realities of one of the poorest countries struggling to rebuild after one of the worst humanitarian disasters in the Western Hemisphere.

On October 07 2016 04:26 Nyxisto wrote:
Every charity screws up occasionally, the Clinton Foundation seems to be rated rather highly by transparency organisations. I don't really see what the point of this anecdotal stuff is

On October 07 2016 04:28 GreenHorizons wrote:
I was saying they probably don't want to bring up disaster relief since the people of Haiti have a very different opinion of the Clinton Foundation than the spin they give us here.

On October 07 2016 04:28 GreenHorizons wrote:

I was saying they probably don't want to bring up disaster relief since the people of Haiti have a very different opinion of the Clinton Foundation than the spin they give us here.

On October 07 2016 04:31 Plansix wrote:

So you are trying to turn a discussion about the GOP controlled house and senates obstruction of disaster relief funds to the US to an attack on Clinton because of a failed charity effort? As if they are somehow similar?

On October 07 2016 04:34 GreenHorizons wrote:


I'm saying that the Clinton's have a history of turning disasters into business opportunities at the expense of the victims of said disaster. So while Republicans are stingy, the Clintons have sticky fingers.

On October 07 2016 04:41 Plansix wrote:

Although that is true and people who work with Clinton seem to manage to make money, the two acts are not equivalent like you are attempting to make them out to be.

On October 07 2016 04:16 GreenHorizons wrote:


I don't know if "ineffective" is the particular word I would use, but here's one example.



source

Here's another one:



source

On October 07 2016 04:45 Acrofales wrote:


I didn't know of those double dealings concerning Haiti, although I did know the aid to Haiti has generally been a disaster. However, Haiti itself is very problematic. As most poor states, it is plagued with corruption and cronyism. I'm not sure a National Review article is a good source for showing the Clintons were directly involved, but in particular the involvement of her brother seems like a conflict of interest. Here is a fairer article on the matter:
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/03/15/us/politics/hillary-clinton-haiti.html

An estimated 150,000 Haitian-American voters live in Florida, the state where 537 votes decided the 2000 election.

Defense Secretary Ash Carter's former senior military aid used his government-issued credit card at the “Candy Bar” club in the “Hooker Hill” area of Seoul, South Korea, and the "Cica Cica Boom" club in Rome, among other damning offenses, according to a salacious new report from the Pentagon's inspector general.

Army Maj. Gen. Ronald Lewis — who served as Carter's special assistant and then as senior military assistant — misused his government travel charge card for personal expenses, lied about the misuse and "engaged in conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman on multiple occasions, which included patronizing an establishment off-limits to U.S. military personnel, drinking to excess in public, and improper interactions with females," the Defense Department Inspector General charges in an investigation released on Thursday.

The IG report substantiates three allegations Carter's office made against Lewis. The incidents all took place in 2015 while Lewis traveled with Carter on official business.

In April 2015, the report says, Lewis visited the Candy Bar, an off-limits establishment in an area of Seoul locally known as “Hooker Hill.”

Lewis charged roughly $1,121 to his government card at the club, including an 81 percent tip. When asked in a DoD IG interview why he used his government card, he said, “I don't know in this particular case.”

While traveling with Carter to Rome several months later in October, Lewis stopped by the Cica Cica Boom club, an establishment advertising “Sexy Show,” “Fans Club” and “Lap Dance.”

"After dancing with local women and drinking to 'more than moderation' for three hours," he tried and failed to swipe his personal debit card to pay for the $1,755.98 racked up at the club.

Unable to pay the steep tab, Lewis returned to the Defense secretary delegation’s hotel at 1:40 a.m., to grab his government card from a subordinate, bringing along a female employee of the club.

"The subordinate’s room was in the same hallway as the Secretary of Defense’s room, and the female club escort waited for MG Lewis in that hallway," according to the report.

Lewis also had numerous "improper interactions with females," on trips with Carter in Hawaii, Malaysia and Palo Alto, Calif.

On October 07 2016 04:44 GreenHorizons wrote:


I didn't intend to make them equivalent I was pointing out it's not a good topic for the Clintons. At least you're not trying to deny them taking advantage of disaster victims.

On October 07 2016 04:52 Plansix wrote:

Whatever makes you happy GH.