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oBlade
United States5963 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 12 2016 04:21 biology]major wrote: It's hard to predict how a concussion has long term cognitive effects. I didn't know she had a subdural, that's pretty serious. Unless you have examined her mental status personally I'd avoid making any such claims. She seems to do fine answering difficult questions both scripted and otherwise. Her health is highly questionable at this point however. "Cognitive disorder" can mean just about anything in terms of severity. And I've already made it clear that I don't know what the severity is in Hillary's case. So I'm not really saying anything unreasonable. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 12 2016 04:19 KwarK wrote: Dude, your source was infowars. Like what the fuck do you want, inforwars is a conspiracy theory website that exclusively posts conspiracy theories. If on the one side I have information from infowars and the other I have no information at all I'm still going to assume that the information from infowars is wrong. You can't bitch about how nobody took you seriously when you use that as a source. In this case, I recall the piece in question taking some somewhat-reasonable concerns about Hillary's phyisical health, and then spinning it to try and say she was addled/insane. Which is the kind of spin that infowars does. Realistically, gotunk, if you wanted people to take you seriously, you would have just linked a non-infowars source or made it clear that you weren't going down the infowars bullshit path of saying she was crazy. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On September 12 2016 04:23 Plansix wrote: My response to this one is "Trump first." If we are going to go down the path of full medical examinations of candidates, both candidates should be examined at the same time, by the same people. The argument is that Trump is hiding it much better. Lets be real, most people take some kind of medication when they're 70, whether it's for high blood pressure, vitamin deficiencies, liver, etc. Point is, Trump is able to function quite well, actually astonishingly well for his age, mainly judging from we haven't seen anything wrong from him yet. On the other side, people knew Hillary has had some problems, but now it looks like the giant elephant in the room. This medical examination thing wont happen, just like Trump releasing his tax returns wont happen. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16169 Posts
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On September 12 2016 04:29 plasmidghost wrote: Surely it's not unreasonable that major candidates should undergo a full medical examination and publicly release it? At this age group especially | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On September 12 2016 04:29 plasmidghost wrote: Surely it's not unreasonable that major candidates should undergo a full medical examination and publicly release it? I'm just saying it'll never happen this election, because it will hurt both candidates more than it will help them. And as far as I know, it's not the norm or required, so why would they. edit: I too think it's pretty iffy. No other position in the US requires you to publicly release your health records, right? And does any government in the world require you to do this? At most, there could be a government agency that would go through the records and give either a pass or fail on health, but information that wouldn't be publically available imo. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 12 2016 04:35 FiWiFaKi wrote: because it will hurt both candidates more than it will help them. I mean, that's kind of true of either candidate simply opening their mouths to say basically anything, but that still has to happen. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On September 12 2016 04:38 TheYango wrote: I mean, that's kind of true of either candidate simply opening their mouths to say basically anything, but that still has to happen. I don't think that's true. If never saying anything helped candidates, I don't think they would talk, do press conferences, interviews, etc... With the sole exception of possibly fundraising and stuff like the required debates. Seems like Hillary is taking this stance, but most elections I recall around the world, there's a lot of talking done. Whether it was UK on Brexit, last Canada election... Even Obama was pretty public and does a lot of talking. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 12 2016 04:40 FiWiFaKi wrote: I don't think that's true. If never saying anything helped candidates, I don't think they would talk, do press conferences, interviews, etc... With the sole exception of possibly fundraising and stuff like the required debates. Seems like Hillary is taking this stance, but most elections I recall around the world, there's a lot of talking done. I didn't mean in general, I meant for this specific election in the context of Hillary/Trump. Hillary has already taken this stance, while Trump not doing so has resulted in his poll numbers sliding downward every time he says something silly (and going up every time he doesn't). If Trump had taken the non-interaction stance at the same time Hillary did, it's not inconceivable that he'd be doing a lot better than he is. Because most of the things that caused a big drop in Trump's numbers were things he said, while most of the things that hurt Hillary's numbers are things she did or was associated with. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23769 Posts
On September 12 2016 04:39 zlefin wrote: I'd like an independent examination; it doens't necessarily have to be made public; but a full independent workup would be nice; just as a general principle. Maybe a grade? Because otherwise what difference would it make? What would be a disqualifying illness? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 12 2016 04:45 GreenHorizons wrote: Maybe a grade? Because otherwise what difference would it make? What would be a disqualifying illness? There are no laws the disqualify someone from becoming president to due to health issues. And writing that law would be a nightmare. Just think about cancer in remission and let your imagination run from there. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On September 12 2016 04:41 TheYango wrote: I didn't mean in general, I meant for this specific election in the context of Hillary/Trump. Hillary has already taken this stance, while Trump not doing so has resulted in his poll numbers sliding downward every time he says something silly (and going up every time he doesn't). Hmm, still, not sure how much I agree. What do you associate the bridging the gap from +8 to around +3 in the polls over the last month? I wouldn't even give a majority of the effect due to the post convention bump wearing off for Hillary. I thought it's more that Hillary has been disappearing, while Trump has been talking and talking (going to Mexico while Hillary didn't etc). Of course it helps that Trump didn't say anything extremely stupid, but as long as he stays semi-sensible and doesn't say very extreme things, talking helps him a lot imo (and should hurt Hillary by not talking). The Hillary establishment feels so anti-transparent to me, I just don't trust it. Nothing about it is Hillary at all, and hence anything she says... It might be nothing like what you'll get. I don't think it's at all to the same extent with Trump. He might say things to get elected that wont get done, but he mostly believes what he says. When Hillary says she's pro/anti TPP... I dunno, I don't believe her, and what will happen is what the establishment will want. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 12 2016 04:46 FiWiFaKi wrote: What do you associate the bridging the gap from +8 to around +3 in the polls over the last month? I wouldn't even give a majority of the effect due to the post convention bump wearing off for Hillary. I thought it's more that Hillary has been disappearing, while Trump has been talking and talking (going to Mexico while Hillary didn't etc). Of course it helps that Trump didn't say anything extremely stupid, but as long as he stays semi-sensible and doesn't say very extreme things, talking helps him a lot imo (and should hurt Hillary by not talking). It's a difficult question, because it's hard to evaluate how much the things he said that turned people off hurt him vs. the things that didn't helping him. We might just have to agree to disagree because there's a lot of intangibles in play that I don't think we'd be able to resolve. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On September 12 2016 04:47 TheYango wrote: It's a difficult question, because it's hard to evaluate how much the things he said that turned people off hurt him vs. the things that didn't helping him. We might just have to agree to disagree because there's a lot of intangibles in play that I don't think we'd be able to resolve. Fair enough, I agree it's a difficult question... And often times, for things like this, it's not one piece of writing that changes our mind, it's the culmination of a lot of articles, seeing the trends, and extracting little tidbits of information from everything, and somehow combining it to make your opinion on it (or worse off, picking the info that agrees with your opinion). | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23769 Posts
@Hillary supporters, has her camp said anything about what it was? EDIT: Also I guess she lost a shoe too. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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