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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24485 Posts
September 11 2016 20:54 GMT
#99121
On September 12 2016 05:47 zlefin wrote:
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On September 12 2016 05:45 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 12 2016 05:42 zlefin wrote:
On September 12 2016 05:41 GreenHorizons wrote:

On September 12 2016 05:39 zlefin wrote:
On September 12 2016 05:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 12 2016 05:30 zlefin wrote:
On September 12 2016 04:45 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 12 2016 04:39 zlefin wrote:
I'd like an independent examination; it doens't necessarily have to be made public; but a full independent workup would be nice; just as a general principle.


Maybe a grade? Because otherwise what difference would it make? What would be a disqualifying illness?

the difference would just be in knowing that there was an independent checkup.


Yeah but what if they found they had Alzheimers and stage 4 cancer? What difference would it make that they were independent?

I would assume that something sufficiently bad would be mandatory disclosure; if not to public than to some high gov't agents.


Yeah, but who would decide on the cutoff for reporting, then who would have the authority to do what, based off of such information?

EDIT: oops

the cabinet; can remove them from the presidency. and it's not that hard to make some suitable cutoffs.


Well the cabinet wouldn't be much help before they are elected (which I thought we were talking about), even then, they would be the least likely people in the country to do such a thing.

I think it's harder than you portray to decide who makes the cutoffs let alone precisely what they are.

Well, then we just disagree; as I think making reasonable cutoffs would be pretty feasible. and even pre-election it's not that hard to come up with a decent system.


I suppose we can revisit it when there's more than just "I think we could come up with something".
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
September 11 2016 20:55 GMT
#99122
It's not like there aren't numerous existing systems for reporting requirements, exceptions, and when something is a problem. I'm sure the US military has a whole bunch of them for various things.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24485 Posts
September 11 2016 20:57 GMT
#99123
On September 12 2016 05:55 zlefin wrote:
It's not like there aren't numerous existing systems for reporting requirements, exceptions, and when something is a problem. I'm sure the US military has a whole bunch of them for various things.


Which ones are you thinking of?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-11 21:11:26
September 11 2016 21:00 GMT
#99124
On September 12 2016 05:55 zlefin wrote:
It's not like there aren't numerous existing systems for reporting requirements, exceptions, and when something is a problem. I'm sure the US military has a whole bunch of them for various things.

None of which are set by the Constitution. Who can run and the requirements do so are set by the Constitution for all federal elected positions, including the presidency, house and senate. I do not believe those can be made subject to new requirements without changing the Constitution.
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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
September 11 2016 21:27 GMT
#99125
In memory of 9/11 let me remind you what Trump was thinking about around that time.

https://mic.com/articles/153888/donald-trump-bragged-his-building-was-now-the-tallest-during-9-11#.JtbDdiNUN
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
September 11 2016 21:27 GMT
#99126
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Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
September 11 2016 21:29 GMT
#99127
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-11 21:31:31
September 11 2016 21:30 GMT
#99128
In perfect health indeed.

Well, that's slightly troubling to be sure. I guess we'll see how things go from here.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
September 11 2016 21:32 GMT
#99129
I know right, only people in poor health get pneumonia, like the two people in my office this year who have got it, both of whom are in their mid twenties and hit the gym at least five days a week.
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
September 11 2016 21:32 GMT
#99130
As expected tbh.
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
September 11 2016 21:33 GMT
#99131
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hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-11 21:35:05
September 11 2016 21:33 GMT
#99132
I honestly don't get the thing with Hilary's health. I fail to see the issue. She is an older person, she was out in the sun and started feeling feint. It's just another one of the long list of non existant things that republicans will turn into an "issue" until the general public can't give any more fucks about it. Would be nice if the same people crying about her health would cry about trump's fake letter on his health, or tax returns, or his psychological health. I'm sure if the media went after those half as hard as the republicans went after Hilary on non issues everyone would assume trump was a corrupt trust fund baby who broke out of a mental hospital.

edit: I wrote this before I saw the pneumonia part. Let's see how that gets blown out of proportion though. I'm waiting for the "pneumonia is a cover up for serious cognitive disabilities and all of the cancers in the world." And the "A candidate who is so weak they can catch pneumonia is not fit to be president.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18487 Posts
September 11 2016 21:33 GMT
#99133
On September 12 2016 06:29 Saryph wrote:
https://twitter.com/rubycramer/status/775080618149416960

That sounds legit. But also incredibly stupid and reckless to be out on the campaign trail with pneumonia. It's something most people recover from with no complications, but it is still a pretty serious infection.

Anyway, she will be coughing for weeks of she has pneumonia, so that won't do well at the debates...
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-11 21:42:40
September 11 2016 21:37 GMT
#99134
On September 12 2016 05:57 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 05:55 zlefin wrote:
It's not like there aren't numerous existing systems for reporting requirements, exceptions, and when something is a problem. I'm sure the US military has a whole bunch of them for various things.


Which ones are you thinking of?

I know we have a system for psych exams and monitoring for nuclear bombers pilots and other nuclear handlers.
As well as a bunch of more general standards for fit for duty on physical health.

here's some links to the FAA standards for pilots
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/standards/

if you wanna read the more thorough guide rather than a synopsis:
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/media/guide.pdf

I'm sure some stuff like that could be adapted.

PS just saw the pneumonia thing; aha, my thoughts were correct, the problem is her refusing to take proper rest when she's sick. She really did strike me as the type of person to insist on going in to work even when ill and when they should be resting. Though I'd like to see more than a tweet about this. I'd rather something a bit more vetted and formal.

PPS nm, just saw the info on cnn.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18487 Posts
September 11 2016 21:38 GMT
#99135
On September 12 2016 06:30 LegalLord wrote:
In perfect health indeed.

Well, that's slightly troubling to be sure. I guess we'll see how things go from here.

Do you even know what pneumonia is? Getting pneumonia isn't troubling. It's something most people recover from just fine with antibiotics and enough rest.

The only troubling thing is that she was campaigning with a fairly serious (acute) illness, instead of resting and recovering.
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
September 11 2016 21:43 GMT
#99136
On September 12 2016 06:33 hunts wrote:
I honestly don't get the thing with Hilary's health. I fail to see the issue. She is an older person, she was out in the sun and started feeling feint. It's just another one of the long list of non existant things that republicans will turn into an "issue" until the general public can't give any more fucks about it. Would be nice if the same people crying about her health would cry about trump's fake letter on his health, or tax returns, or his psychological health. I'm sure if the media went after those half as hard as the republicans went after Hilary on non issues everyone would assume trump was a corrupt trust fund baby who broke out of a mental hospital.

edit: I wrote this before I saw the pneumonia part. Let's see how that gets blown out of proportion though. I'm waiting for the "pneumonia is a cover up for serious cognitive disabilities and all of the cancers in the world." And the "A candidate who is so weak they can catch pneumonia is not fit to be president.

Did you feel the same way about Mccain in 2008?
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ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
September 11 2016 21:48 GMT
#99137
If it really is pneumonia, it's not gonna be that big of a deal for her overall health. Hopefully the doctors treating her don't blast her with excessive antibiotics in a bid to get her healed faster and end up causing renal failure.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 11 2016 21:49 GMT
#99138
On September 12 2016 06:38 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 06:30 LegalLord wrote:
In perfect health indeed.

Well, that's slightly troubling to be sure. I guess we'll see how things go from here.

Do you even know what pneumonia is? Getting pneumonia isn't troubling. It's something most people recover from just fine with antibiotics and enough rest.

The only troubling thing is that she was campaigning with a fairly serious (acute) illness, instead of resting and recovering.

The more interesting question is whether the pneumonia is secondary to anything. I'm not sure that I buy the allergy story.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
September 11 2016 21:53 GMT
#99139
On September 12 2016 06:43 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 06:33 hunts wrote:
I honestly don't get the thing with Hilary's health. I fail to see the issue. She is an older person, she was out in the sun and started feeling feint. It's just another one of the long list of non existant things that republicans will turn into an "issue" until the general public can't give any more fucks about it. Would be nice if the same people crying about her health would cry about trump's fake letter on his health, or tax returns, or his psychological health. I'm sure if the media went after those half as hard as the republicans went after Hilary on non issues everyone would assume trump was a corrupt trust fund baby who broke out of a mental hospital.

edit: I wrote this before I saw the pneumonia part. Let's see how that gets blown out of proportion though. I'm waiting for the "pneumonia is a cover up for serious cognitive disabilities and all of the cancers in the world." And the "A candidate who is so weak they can catch pneumonia is not fit to be president.

Did you feel the same way about Mccain in 2008?


I didn't care about Mccain's health in that election, I cared about all the other problems with him, and the fact that he chose sarah palin as his VP.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22683 Posts
September 11 2016 21:54 GMT
#99140
Does anyone know how busy Clinton has been in the last few days?

Like the 9/11 memorial is something she 'had' to show up at but if she has pneumonia I would expect her to not do anything where possible.
She would want to recover as fast as possible so she is fit for the final stretch. Not keep going now and suffer for it the entire time
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