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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
September 11 2016 21:56 GMT
#99141
Definitely a disturbing video to watch. Hopefully it is only pneumonia.

It definitely doesn't help her image. However thr silver lining may be with her sidelined for health reasons that we may see more peoplelike Biden and Michelle going forward.

Regardless of this health issue I still believe this ultimately come down to the debates. If Hillary can hold serve or force a mistake from Trump that gets him in trouble then she should be fine.
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
September 11 2016 21:57 GMT
#99142
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
September 11 2016 21:59 GMT
#99143
On September 12 2016 05:57 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 05:55 zlefin wrote:
It's not like there aren't numerous existing systems for reporting requirements, exceptions, and when something is a problem. I'm sure the US military has a whole bunch of them for various things.


Which ones are you thinking of?


he's thinking of something scientific but pragmatic.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4427 Posts
September 11 2016 22:00 GMT
#99144
Whatever Clintons health issues are we can all agree they are worsening.
Shocking footage out of NYC yesterday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-11 22:04:30
September 11 2016 22:03 GMT
#99145
all i know is that i only vote for people capable of riding on bears. if our president can't out-bearboy/girl putin how is s/he going to handle foreign policy?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
September 11 2016 22:05 GMT
#99146
On September 12 2016 06:49 xDaunt wrote:
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On September 12 2016 06:38 Acrofales wrote:
On September 12 2016 06:30 LegalLord wrote:
In perfect health indeed.

Well, that's slightly troubling to be sure. I guess we'll see how things go from here.

Do you even know what pneumonia is? Getting pneumonia isn't troubling. It's something most people recover from just fine with antibiotics and enough rest.

The only troubling thing is that she was campaigning with a fairly serious (acute) illness, instead of resting and recovering.

The more interesting question is whether the pneumonia is secondary to anything. I'm not sure that I buy the allergy story.


Oh shit the lawyer asking good questions.
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hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
September 11 2016 22:11 GMT
#99147
On September 12 2016 07:00 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Whatever Clintons health issues are we can all agree they are worsening.
Shocking footage out of NYC yesterday.


No, I think only you and other infowars readers can. Pneumonia is not a worsening health condition, and it is not something serious. But it doesn't matter because you're one of the people trump mentioned when he said his supporters would still support him even if he went and murdered someone in broad daylight in front of everyone.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 11 2016 22:15 GMT
#99148
I don't get this "pneumonia isn't serious" line. It is a very bad infection and a major killer of old people. And it is also very commonly a secondary illness to other serious health problems.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
September 11 2016 22:20 GMT
#99149
On September 12 2016 07:15 xDaunt wrote:
I don't get this "pneumonia isn't serious" line. It is a very bad infection and a major killer of old people. And it is also very commonly a secondary illness to other serious health problems.

Why would she hug that kid in front of Chelsea's apartment if she knew she had pneumonia?
Pre-emptive retaliatory de-escalation action
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-11 22:23:35
September 11 2016 22:21 GMT
#99150
Allow me to clear up some misconceptions: Pneumonia is a very serious disease. It kills about 60.000 every year in the US alone. It's not a trivial thing. However, that Clinton suffers from a pneumonia is also not a sign of her health being in the gutter. Suffering a pneumonia could be a sign that she is terminal (incredibly unlikely) and could be a sign of absolutely nothing other than her currently having a pneumonia which about 3 million Americans are diagnosed with each year. We don't know on what end of the spectrum she falls and anyone saying anything differently is speculating.

EDIT: If she's on antibiotics she very likely isn't contagious.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 11 2016 22:22 GMT
#99151
On September 12 2016 07:20 zeo wrote:
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On September 12 2016 07:15 xDaunt wrote:
I don't get this "pneumonia isn't serious" line. It is a very bad infection and a major killer of old people. And it is also very commonly a secondary illness to other serious health problems.

Why would she hug that kid in front of Chelsea's apartment if she knew she had pneumonia?

It may not have been contagious depending upon where she was in her antibiotic regimen and the type of pneumonia.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 11 2016 22:24 GMT
#99152
On September 12 2016 07:15 xDaunt wrote:
I don't get this "pneumonia isn't serious" line. It is a very bad infection and a major killer of old people. And it is also very commonly a secondary illness to other serious health problems.

Indeed. Even if doesn't end up being fatal or causing permanent harm it is not a trivial disease like the common cold. I've had plenty of relatives contract pneumonia and to put it lightly it is never a pleasant experience.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28854 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-11 22:34:11
September 11 2016 22:28 GMT
#99153
On September 12 2016 07:15 xDaunt wrote:
I don't get this "pneumonia isn't serious" line. It is a very bad infection and a major killer of old people. And it is also very commonly a secondary illness to other serious health problems.


come on dude, I understand that you think it's wise of Trump to harp on her health or whatever, but you're really sounding more and more conspiratorical when talking about her health issues. Pneumonia isn't something that disqualifies one from office, it's something you rest until you've recovered while taking antibiotics. Then when you get it during campaign trails and 911 memorial which she obviously couldn't stay home from because that would maybe look even worse than her fainting like this, that is a case of shitty timing, but it doesn't mean anything.

I get when you're arguing that Trump should engage her with full robert stone conspiracy mode, I can accept that being strategically wise, but I don't get why you are suddenly trying to argue with a straight face in this thread that getting pneumonia (and I think that's a very legit-sounding reason for fainting myself) disqualifies someone from being president.

I had pneumonia last year myself. I was really sick and coughing like crazy and I stayed home from work for a week, but once it was over it was over. Of course I'm a 32 year old man so my recovery is swifter and easier, but it's just.. This isn't a relevant line of attack, especially not for a person whose VP you and pretty much everyone else would prefer.
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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-11 22:32:46
September 11 2016 22:29 GMT
#99154
Pneumonia is serious as an infection secondary to another medical condition. It's not anything that's incredibly alarming on its own.


An otherwise healthy person takes antibiotics (if it's bacterial) and gets bed rest.

Influenza is quite a serious disease as well, but since we live in a 1st world country, we can deal with it.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 11 2016 22:30 GMT
#99155
On September 12 2016 07:28 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 07:15 xDaunt wrote:
I don't get this "pneumonia isn't serious" line. It is a very bad infection and a major killer of old people. And it is also very commonly a secondary illness to other serious health problems.


come on dude, I understand that you think it's wise of Trump to harp on her health or whatever, but you're really sounding more and more conspiratorical when talking about her health issues. Pneumonia isn't something that disqualifies one from office, it's something you rest until you've recovered while taking antibiotics. Then when you get it during campaign trails and 911 memorial which she obviously couldn't stay home from because that would maybe look even worse than her fainting like this, that is a case of shitty timing, but it doesn't mean anything.

I get when you're arguing that Trump should engage her with full robert stone conspiracy mode, I can accept that being strategically wise, but I don't get why you are suddenly trying to argue with a straight face in this thread that getting pneumonia (and I think that's a very legit-sounding reason for fainting myself) disqualifies someone from being president.


Either she takes a day off and empowers the conspirtards or she tries to power through it. Kind of a Hobson's Choice there.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 11 2016 22:32 GMT
#99156
On September 12 2016 07:29 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Pneumonia is serious as an infection secondary to another medical condition. It's not anything that's incredibly alarming on its own.

True - but it's not something to trivialize either, as some have tried to do in this thread.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
September 11 2016 22:32 GMT
#99157
On September 12 2016 07:29 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Pneumonia is serious as an infection secondary to another medical condition. It's not anything that's incredibly alarming on its own.


Another medical condition here includes old age. Heck, even for young people it can be lethal depending on the pathogen. Pneumonia is by it's incidence relatively trivial, but it is NOT a trivial disease.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 11 2016 22:33 GMT
#99158
On September 12 2016 07:28 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 07:15 xDaunt wrote:
I don't get this "pneumonia isn't serious" line. It is a very bad infection and a major killer of old people. And it is also very commonly a secondary illness to other serious health problems.


come on dude, I understand that you think it's wise of Trump to harp on her health or whatever, but you're really sounding more and more conspiratorical when talking about her health issues. Pneumonia isn't something that disqualifies one from office, it's something you rest until you've recovered while taking antibiotics. Then when you get it during campaign trails and 911 memorial which she obviously couldn't stay home from because that would maybe look even worse than her fainting like this, that is a case of shitty timing, but it doesn't mean anything.

I get when you're arguing that Trump should engage her with full robert stone conspiracy mode, I can accept that being strategically wise, but I don't get why you are suddenly trying to argue with a straight face in this thread that getting pneumonia (and I think that's a very legit-sounding reason for fainting myself) disqualifies someone from being president.

I'm not being conspiratorial at all. I am just stating the facts and highlighting the obvious questions to be asked because I understand the medical issues. And I haven't said once that Hillary's health problems are disqualifying. In fact, I have repeatedly said "I don't know" on that point. But I find it hilarious that the Hillary defense force takes my points so seriously (and so out of context), so I am kinda inclined to keep poking the bear.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
September 11 2016 22:34 GMT
#99159
Didn't Nixon have some health issues and even lengthy hospital stay during one of his campaigns? Unless it's something degenerative then srfu about it. Fucking pneumonia people.
Never Knows Best.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-11 22:38:38
September 11 2016 22:36 GMT
#99160
On September 12 2016 07:32 Ghostcom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 07:29 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Pneumonia is serious as an infection secondary to another medical condition. It's not anything that's incredibly alarming on its own.


Another medical condition here includes old age. Heck, even for young people it can be lethal depending on the pathogen. Pneumonia is by it's incidence relatively trivial, but it is NOT a trivial disease.


No, it doesn't. Old age is an easy but not always accurate correlation with things like heart disease, COPD, diabetes, etc. The reason pneumonia is worse for old people is because old people are almost always already ill.

As a medical professional that works in an emergency room, I can tell you that a diagnosis of primary pneumonia isn't incredibly concerning. Treatment, bed rest, keeping an eye out and it should resolve in a week.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
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