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Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-11 18:53:07
September 11 2016 18:50 GMT
#99061
On September 12 2016 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 03:32 Ghostcom wrote:
On September 12 2016 03:25 zeo wrote:
Whats with the piece of metal falling out of her pants as they take her away? (right leg)



You can hear the metal sound in every clip, I've seen the video 10+ times but never heard it but its the only thing I notice now, weird.


Looks like her phone? Not really similar to any medical devices if that was what you were angling for.

EDIT: Upon second look, probably not a phone due to the way it exits the leg of her pants, but a brace typically doesn't really look like that either.


lol definately not a phone. Though I wouldn't be surprised if she paid thousands of dollars for pants that got holes in the pocket.

I didn't mean a whole brace? I meant some sort of clip or something from a brace. Honestly this is what flashed in my mind:

+ Show Spoiler +


But I don't really know. Why else would you have metal inside your pant leg that could fall off?


1) It's "definitely" (pet peeve of mine, sorry)
2) Braces haven't looked like that since 1990's
3) If bits just "fell off" a brace it would do absolutely no good.

If she can afford to spend thousands of dollars on pants I think she can afford a state of the art brace...

For now I'll stick with Fish's uplink-theory
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 11 2016 18:50 GMT
#99062
So basically this means Trump can waltz right into the White House after her fainting. Jeez... Her campaign is done I think.
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Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9135 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-11 18:54:52
September 11 2016 18:53 GMT
#99063
On September 12 2016 03:40 GoTuNk! wrote:
I remember several liberal posters on this forum comparing me and xDaunt to 9/11 truthers for saying Hillary's health was not perfect and that it was reasonable to doubt her physicians claims that she had "perfect health".

I remember xDaunt saying she clearly has a cognitive disorder and you saying that she has rapidly deteriorating health. Don't pretend this was ever about whether she's in perfect health or not.

e: typo
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-11 18:57:30
September 11 2016 18:54 GMT
#99064
On September 12 2016 03:40 GoTuNk! wrote:
I remember several liberal posters on this forum comparing me and xDaunt to 9/11 truthers for saying Hillary's health was not perfect and that it was reasonable to doubt her physicians claims that she had "perfect health".

I've seen this rhetorical game played a lot over a wide variety of issues with regards to Clinton:
"Hillary Clinton has so-and-so flaw and wouldn't make a good president."
"nah ur just brainwashed by republican propaganda"
"not really, here's evidence"
"u dare doubt (nominally-but-not-really) this highly credible source that says otherwise?!?"
Later, the concerns turn out to be more or less valid.
"meh at least she's better than trump so w/e it doesnt really matter"

See: electability relative to Bernie Sanders, DNC favoritism, possibility of health problems, trustworthiness, etc.

On September 12 2016 03:53 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 03:40 GoTuNk! wrote:
I remember several liberal posters on this forum comparing me and xDaunt to 9/11 truthers for saying Hillary's health was not perfect and that it was reasonable to doubt her physicians claims that she had "perfect health".

I remember xDaunt saying she clearly has a cognitive disorder and you saying that she has rapidly deteriorating health. Don't pretend this was ever about whether she's in perfect health or not.

e: typo

As I recall both sides were making somewhat hyperbolic claims: one e-diagnosing her, the other stubbornly refusing to acknowledge that it's hardly sensible to think that she was in great health given the evidence we have seen.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-11 18:58:38
September 11 2016 18:57 GMT
#99065
On September 12 2016 03:54 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 03:40 GoTuNk! wrote:
I remember several liberal posters on this forum comparing me and xDaunt to 9/11 truthers for saying Hillary's health was not perfect and that it was reasonable to doubt her physicians claims that she had "perfect health".

I've seen this rhetorical game played a lot over a wide variety of issues with regards to Clinton:
"Hillary Clinton has so-and-so flaw and wouldn't make a good president."
"nah ur just brainwashed by republican propaganda"
"not really, here's evidence"
"u dare doubt (nominally-but-not-really) this highly credible source that says otherwise?!?"
Later, the concerns turn out to be more or less valid.
"meh at least she's better than trump so w/e it doesnt really matter"

See: electability relative to Bernie Sanders, DNC favoritism, possibility of health problems, trustworthiness, etc.


I clearly remember getting berated by someone for doubting her physians words stating Hillary's "perfect health"

Since I'm no doctor, nor not know Hillary, I simply cannot make conclusive statements on her health, other than that randomly stroking while standing is def not common.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23443 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-11 19:00:48
September 11 2016 18:59 GMT
#99066
On September 12 2016 03:50 Ghostcom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 12 2016 03:32 Ghostcom wrote:
On September 12 2016 03:25 zeo wrote:
Whats with the piece of metal falling out of her pants as they take her away? (right leg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRHf7cgtMeU

You can hear the metal sound in every clip, I've seen the video 10+ times but never heard it but its the only thing I notice now, weird.


Looks like her phone? Not really similar to any medical devices if that was what you were angling for.

EDIT: Upon second look, probably not a phone due to the way it exits the leg of her pants, but a brace typically doesn't really look like that either.


lol definately not a phone. Though I wouldn't be surprised if she paid thousands of dollars for pants that got holes in the pocket.

I didn't mean a whole brace? I meant some sort of clip or something from a brace. Honestly this is what flashed in my mind:

+ Show Spoiler +
https://youtu.be/v3qlBM9vAW8?t=56s


But I don't really know. Why else would you have metal inside your pant leg that could fall off?


1) It's "definitely" (pet peeve of mine, sorry)
2) Braces haven't looked like that since 1990's
3) If bits just "fell off" a brace it would do absolutely no good.

If she can afford to spend thousands of dollars on pants I think she can afford a state of the art brace...


Old habits die hard. Yeah I really have no idea, it was just a first guess. Looking around there does seem to be some back braces that still use metal, though I have no idea on their relative cost or the alternatives (maybe just something they give us commoners).

Definitely not a phone though, should she have to say? I didn't see anyone scoop it up in the videos I've seen, but I wasn't really looking for that. I'm curious what it was though, I'd assume nothing, but I can't figure out what "nothing" would be.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 11 2016 19:02 GMT
#99067
My first guess was keys falling out of the pocket. Or something completely unrelated.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23443 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-11 19:06:27
September 11 2016 19:05 GMT
#99068
On September 12 2016 04:02 LegalLord wrote:
My first guess was keys falling out of the pocket. Or something completely unrelated.


Not sure she carries keys (like for what?) haha, but it came from inside her pant leg.

*that was my very first guess before I slowed it down
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 11 2016 19:08 GMT
#99069
As far as I am concerned, I'm on pretty solid ground saying that Hillary has some kind of cognitive disorder. Her current presentation and her medical history are entirely consistent with this: a bad concussion with a subdural hematoma, subsequent post concussion syndrome, and continued symptomology that is consistent with permanent cognitive impairment of some degree.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-11 19:12:25
September 11 2016 19:12 GMT
#99070
The Clinton defenders are just making worse claiming she didn't faint. Which is way worse as that implies she simply collapsed.

I expect Rachel Maddow to use every defense in the book tomorrow which basically means a free Trump attack ad.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
September 11 2016 19:13 GMT
#99071
On September 12 2016 04:08 xDaunt wrote:
As far as I am concerned, I'm on pretty solid ground saying that Hillary has some kind of cognitive disorder. Her current presentation and her medical history are entirely consistent with this: a bad concussion with a subdural hematoma, subsequent post concussion syndrome, and continued symptomology that is consistent with permanent cognitive impairment of some degree.


That's a stretch
Question.?
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4851 Posts
September 11 2016 19:14 GMT
#99072
Best thing Trump can do is STFU. Also, he'd rather run vs her. He get stomped vs generic democrat A.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-11 19:15:52
September 11 2016 19:15 GMT
#99073
On September 12 2016 04:13 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 04:08 xDaunt wrote:
As far as I am concerned, I'm on pretty solid ground saying that Hillary has some kind of cognitive disorder. Her current presentation and her medical history are entirely consistent with this: a bad concussion with a subdural hematoma, subsequent post concussion syndrome, and continued symptomology that is consistent with permanent cognitive impairment of some degree.


That's a stretch

Which part? The concussion and PCS are well documented, and constitute cognitive disorders on their own. That she'd have some degree of impairment from the TBI that she sustained should not be surprising at all.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28704 Posts
September 11 2016 19:17 GMT
#99074
The cognitive disorder angle is ridiculous because mentally she is clearly sharp as hell.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43195 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-11 19:22:09
September 11 2016 19:19 GMT
#99075
On September 12 2016 03:40 GoTuNk! wrote:
I remember several liberal posters on this forum comparing me and xDaunt to 9/11 truthers for saying Hillary's health was not perfect and that it was reasonable to doubt her physicians claims that she had "perfect health".

Dude, your source was infowars. Like what the fuck do you want, inforwars is a conspiracy theory website that exclusively posts conspiracy theories. If on the one side I have information from infowars and the other I have no information at all I'm still going to assume that the information from infowars is wrong. You can't bitch about how nobody took you seriously when you use that as a source.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 11 2016 19:20 GMT
#99076
On September 12 2016 04:17 Liquid`Drone wrote:
The cognitive disorder angle is ridiculous because mentally she is clearly sharp as hell.

Cognitive disorders manifest themselves in numerous ways and affect different aspects of cognition differently. The only way to know would be to see the neuropsych test battery.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
September 11 2016 19:21 GMT
#99077
On September 12 2016 04:15 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 04:13 biology]major wrote:
On September 12 2016 04:08 xDaunt wrote:
As far as I am concerned, I'm on pretty solid ground saying that Hillary has some kind of cognitive disorder. Her current presentation and her medical history are entirely consistent with this: a bad concussion with a subdural hematoma, subsequent post concussion syndrome, and continued symptomology that is consistent with permanent cognitive impairment of some degree.


That's a stretch

Which part? The concussion and PCS are well documented, and constitute cognitive disorders on their own. That she'd have some degree of impairment from the TBI that she sustained should not be surprising at all.


It's hard to predict how a concussion has long term cognitive effects. I didn't know she had a subdural, that's pretty serious. Unless you have examined her mental status personally I'd avoid making any such claims. She seems to do fine answering difficult questions both scripted and otherwise. Her health is highly questionable at this point however.
Question.?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 11 2016 19:23 GMT
#99078
On September 12 2016 04:20 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 04:17 Liquid`Drone wrote:
The cognitive disorder angle is ridiculous because mentally she is clearly sharp as hell.

Cognitive disorders manifest themselves in numerous ways and affect different aspects of cognition differently. The only way to know would be to see the neuropsych test battery.

My response to this one is "Trump first." If we are going to go down the path of full medical examinations of candidates, both candidates should be examined at the same time, by the same people.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 11 2016 19:24 GMT
#99079
On September 12 2016 04:19 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 03:40 GoTuNk! wrote:
I remember several liberal posters on this forum comparing me and xDaunt to 9/11 truthers for saying Hillary's health was not perfect and that it was reasonable to doubt her physicians claims that she had "perfect health".

Dude, your source was infowars. Like what the fuck do you want, inforwars is a conspiracy theory website that exclusively posts conspiracy theories. If on the one side I have information from infowars and the other I have no information at all I'm still going to assume that the information from infowars is wrong. You can't bitch about how nobody took you seriously when you use that as a source.

Infowars made a claim about goblins being real or some shit. And that the US has a tornado gun.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23443 Posts
September 11 2016 19:26 GMT
#99080
On September 12 2016 04:19 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 03:40 GoTuNk! wrote:
I remember several liberal posters on this forum comparing me and xDaunt to 9/11 truthers for saying Hillary's health was not perfect and that it was reasonable to doubt her physicians claims that she had "perfect health".

Dude, your source was infowars. Like what the fuck do you want, inforwars is a conspiracy theory website that exclusively posts conspiracy theories. If on the one side I have information from infowars and the other I have no information at all I'm still going to assume that the information from infowars is wrong. You can't bitch about how nobody took you seriously when you use that as a source.


Some of us weren't sourcing infowars and were simply making the case that she's obviously not in "excellent health". Some (plansix is the one that sticks out in my memory) tried to lump us together for political expediency.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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