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But I don't really know. Why else would you have metal inside your pant leg that could fall off?
1) It's "definitely" (pet peeve of mine, sorry) 2) Braces haven't looked like that since 1990's 3) If bits just "fell off" a brace it would do absolutely no good.
If she can afford to spend thousands of dollars on pants I think she can afford a state of the art brace...
On September 12 2016 03:40 GoTuNk! wrote: I remember several liberal posters on this forum comparing me and xDaunt to 9/11 truthers for saying Hillary's health was not perfect and that it was reasonable to doubt her physicians claims that she had "perfect health".
I remember xDaunt saying she clearly has a cognitive disorder and you saying that she has rapidly deteriorating health. Don't pretend this was ever about whether she's in perfect health or not.
On September 12 2016 03:40 GoTuNk! wrote: I remember several liberal posters on this forum comparing me and xDaunt to 9/11 truthers for saying Hillary's health was not perfect and that it was reasonable to doubt her physicians claims that she had "perfect health".
I've seen this rhetorical game played a lot over a wide variety of issues with regards to Clinton: "Hillary Clinton has so-and-so flaw and wouldn't make a good president." "nah ur just brainwashed by republican propaganda" "not really, here's evidence" "u dare doubt (nominally-but-not-really) this highly credible source that says otherwise?!?" Later, the concerns turn out to be more or less valid. "meh at least she's better than trump so w/e it doesnt really matter"
See: electability relative to Bernie Sanders, DNC favoritism, possibility of health problems, trustworthiness, etc.
On September 12 2016 03:40 GoTuNk! wrote: I remember several liberal posters on this forum comparing me and xDaunt to 9/11 truthers for saying Hillary's health was not perfect and that it was reasonable to doubt her physicians claims that she had "perfect health".
I remember xDaunt saying she clearly has a cognitive disorder and you saying that she has rapidly deteriorating health. Don't pretend this was ever about whether she's in perfect health or not.
e: typo
As I recall both sides were making somewhat hyperbolic claims: one e-diagnosing her, the other stubbornly refusing to acknowledge that it's hardly sensible to think that she was in great health given the evidence we have seen.
On September 12 2016 03:40 GoTuNk! wrote: I remember several liberal posters on this forum comparing me and xDaunt to 9/11 truthers for saying Hillary's health was not perfect and that it was reasonable to doubt her physicians claims that she had "perfect health".
I've seen this rhetorical game played a lot over a wide variety of issues with regards to Clinton: "Hillary Clinton has so-and-so flaw and wouldn't make a good president." "nah ur just brainwashed by republican propaganda" "not really, here's evidence" "u dare doubt (nominally-but-not-really) this highly credible source that says otherwise?!?" Later, the concerns turn out to be more or less valid. "meh at least she's better than trump so w/e it doesnt really matter"
See: electability relative to Bernie Sanders, DNC favoritism, possibility of health problems, trustworthiness, etc.
I clearly remember getting berated by someone for doubting her physians words stating Hillary's "perfect health"
Since I'm no doctor, nor not know Hillary, I simply cannot make conclusive statements on her health, other than that randomly stroking while standing is def not common.
But I don't really know. Why else would you have metal inside your pant leg that could fall off?
1) It's "definitely" (pet peeve of mine, sorry) 2) Braces haven't looked like that since 1990's 3) If bits just "fell off" a brace it would do absolutely no good.
If she can afford to spend thousands of dollars on pants I think she can afford a state of the art brace...
Old habits die hard. Yeah I really have no idea, it was just a first guess. Looking around there does seem to be some back braces that still use metal, though I have no idea on their relative cost or the alternatives (maybe just something they give us commoners).
Definitely not a phone though, should she have to say? I didn't see anyone scoop it up in the videos I've seen, but I wasn't really looking for that. I'm curious what it was though, I'd assume nothing, but I can't figure out what "nothing" would be.
As far as I am concerned, I'm on pretty solid ground saying that Hillary has some kind of cognitive disorder. Her current presentation and her medical history are entirely consistent with this: a bad concussion with a subdural hematoma, subsequent post concussion syndrome, and continued symptomology that is consistent with permanent cognitive impairment of some degree.
On September 12 2016 04:08 xDaunt wrote: As far as I am concerned, I'm on pretty solid ground saying that Hillary has some kind of cognitive disorder. Her current presentation and her medical history are entirely consistent with this: a bad concussion with a subdural hematoma, subsequent post concussion syndrome, and continued symptomology that is consistent with permanent cognitive impairment of some degree.
On September 12 2016 04:08 xDaunt wrote: As far as I am concerned, I'm on pretty solid ground saying that Hillary has some kind of cognitive disorder. Her current presentation and her medical history are entirely consistent with this: a bad concussion with a subdural hematoma, subsequent post concussion syndrome, and continued symptomology that is consistent with permanent cognitive impairment of some degree.
That's a stretch
Which part? The concussion and PCS are well documented, and constitute cognitive disorders on their own. That she'd have some degree of impairment from the TBI that she sustained should not be surprising at all.
On September 12 2016 03:40 GoTuNk! wrote: I remember several liberal posters on this forum comparing me and xDaunt to 9/11 truthers for saying Hillary's health was not perfect and that it was reasonable to doubt her physicians claims that she had "perfect health".
Dude, your source was infowars. Like what the fuck do you want, inforwars is a conspiracy theory website that exclusively posts conspiracy theories. If on the one side I have information from infowars and the other I have no information at all I'm still going to assume that the information from infowars is wrong. You can't bitch about how nobody took you seriously when you use that as a source.
On September 12 2016 04:17 Liquid`Drone wrote: The cognitive disorder angle is ridiculous because mentally she is clearly sharp as hell.
Cognitive disorders manifest themselves in numerous ways and affect different aspects of cognition differently. The only way to know would be to see the neuropsych test battery.
On September 12 2016 04:08 xDaunt wrote: As far as I am concerned, I'm on pretty solid ground saying that Hillary has some kind of cognitive disorder. Her current presentation and her medical history are entirely consistent with this: a bad concussion with a subdural hematoma, subsequent post concussion syndrome, and continued symptomology that is consistent with permanent cognitive impairment of some degree.
That's a stretch
Which part? The concussion and PCS are well documented, and constitute cognitive disorders on their own. That she'd have some degree of impairment from the TBI that she sustained should not be surprising at all.
It's hard to predict how a concussion has long term cognitive effects. I didn't know she had a subdural, that's pretty serious. Unless you have examined her mental status personally I'd avoid making any such claims. She seems to do fine answering difficult questions both scripted and otherwise. Her health is highly questionable at this point however.
On September 12 2016 04:17 Liquid`Drone wrote: The cognitive disorder angle is ridiculous because mentally she is clearly sharp as hell.
Cognitive disorders manifest themselves in numerous ways and affect different aspects of cognition differently. The only way to know would be to see the neuropsych test battery.
My response to this one is "Trump first." If we are going to go down the path of full medical examinations of candidates, both candidates should be examined at the same time, by the same people.
On September 12 2016 03:40 GoTuNk! wrote: I remember several liberal posters on this forum comparing me and xDaunt to 9/11 truthers for saying Hillary's health was not perfect and that it was reasonable to doubt her physicians claims that she had "perfect health".
Dude, your source was infowars. Like what the fuck do you want, inforwars is a conspiracy theory website that exclusively posts conspiracy theories. If on the one side I have information from infowars and the other I have no information at all I'm still going to assume that the information from infowars is wrong. You can't bitch about how nobody took you seriously when you use that as a source.
Infowars made a claim about goblins being real or some shit. And that the US has a tornado gun.
On September 12 2016 03:40 GoTuNk! wrote: I remember several liberal posters on this forum comparing me and xDaunt to 9/11 truthers for saying Hillary's health was not perfect and that it was reasonable to doubt her physicians claims that she had "perfect health".
Dude, your source was infowars. Like what the fuck do you want, inforwars is a conspiracy theory website that exclusively posts conspiracy theories. If on the one side I have information from infowars and the other I have no information at all I'm still going to assume that the information from infowars is wrong. You can't bitch about how nobody took you seriously when you use that as a source.
Some of us weren't sourcing infowars and were simply making the case that she's obviously not in "excellent health". Some (plansix is the one that sticks out in my memory) tried to lump us together for political expediency.
EPT
