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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-02 03:28:09
September 02 2016 03:27 GMT
#97581
On September 02 2016 12:23 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2016 12:03 LegalLord wrote:
On September 02 2016 09:27 Danglars wrote:
She's not policies, she's not experience, she's the anti-Trump! Trump needs that outstanding debate performance to win because he is behind and he hasn't been campaigning in swing states hard. But if Hillary has a bad show she'll suffer hard.

One of the most dangerous things about Trump is that Hillary is convinced that she can be any degree of shitty president as long as she can just convince people that she isn't Trump so it's automatically good and justified.


Has Hillary even given a compelling reason to vote for her yet? Her message is mostly focused on the status quo and voting against Trump, both of which are problematic in terms of engendering real support for her.


I mean she pretty much has a lengthy policy program on pretty much any topic. it's not really her fault for nobody reading it, can't sum up every policy in a 140 character tweet.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9122 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-02 03:42:00
September 02 2016 03:41 GMT
#97582
On September 02 2016 12:23 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2016 12:03 LegalLord wrote:
On September 02 2016 09:27 Danglars wrote:
She's not policies, she's not experience, she's the anti-Trump! Trump needs that outstanding debate performance to win because he is behind and he hasn't been campaigning in swing states hard. But if Hillary has a bad show she'll suffer hard.

One of the most dangerous things about Trump is that Hillary is convinced that she can be any degree of shitty president as long as she can just convince people that she isn't Trump so it's automatically good and justified.


Has Hillary even given a compelling reason to vote for her yet? Her message is mostly focused on the status quo and voting against Trump, both of which are problematic in terms of engendering real support for her.

From the same poll that Kellyanne Conway brought up a couple days ago.

"In this very negative race, 64 percent of Trump supporters say they are voting mainly anti-Clinton, while 25 percent say they are voting pro-Trump. "

"Among Clinton supporters, 47 percent are mainly anti-Trump while 32 percent are pro- Clinton."

https://www.qu.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2375
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
September 02 2016 03:44 GMT
#97583
On September 02 2016 12:23 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2016 12:03 LegalLord wrote:
On September 02 2016 09:27 Danglars wrote:
She's not policies, she's not experience, she's the anti-Trump! Trump needs that outstanding debate performance to win because he is behind and he hasn't been campaigning in swing states hard. But if Hillary has a bad show she'll suffer hard.

One of the most dangerous things about Trump is that Hillary is convinced that she can be any degree of shitty president as long as she can just convince people that she isn't Trump so it's automatically good and justified.


Has Hillary even given a compelling reason to vote for her yet? Her message is mostly focused on the status quo and voting against Trump, both of which are problematic in terms of engendering real support for her.


"status quo" is all I needed to hear.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
September 02 2016 03:52 GMT
#97584
On September 02 2016 12:23 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2016 12:03 LegalLord wrote:
On September 02 2016 09:27 Danglars wrote:
She's not policies, she's not experience, she's the anti-Trump! Trump needs that outstanding debate performance to win because he is behind and he hasn't been campaigning in swing states hard. But if Hillary has a bad show she'll suffer hard.

One of the most dangerous things about Trump is that Hillary is convinced that she can be any degree of shitty president as long as she can just convince people that she isn't Trump so it's automatically good and justified.


Has Hillary even given a compelling reason to vote for her yet? Her message is mostly focused on the status quo and voting against Trump, both of which are problematic in terms of engendering real support for her.

Not really. I hoped the DNC would give a good solid message of what Hillary's presidency would do for people but they basically just played identity politics then and always. I see that Hillary's campaign is hoping to just coast on the anti-Trump train.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
September 02 2016 04:02 GMT
#97585
Status quo sounds good right now sign me up
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
September 02 2016 04:02 GMT
#97586
On September 02 2016 12:52 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2016 12:23 xDaunt wrote:
On September 02 2016 12:03 LegalLord wrote:
On September 02 2016 09:27 Danglars wrote:
She's not policies, she's not experience, she's the anti-Trump! Trump needs that outstanding debate performance to win because he is behind and he hasn't been campaigning in swing states hard. But if Hillary has a bad show she'll suffer hard.

One of the most dangerous things about Trump is that Hillary is convinced that she can be any degree of shitty president as long as she can just convince people that she isn't Trump so it's automatically good and justified.


Has Hillary even given a compelling reason to vote for her yet? Her message is mostly focused on the status quo and voting against Trump, both of which are problematic in terms of engendering real support for her.

Not really. I hoped the DNC would give a good solid message of what Hillary's presidency would do for people but they basically just played identity politics then and always. I see that Hillary's campaign is hoping to just coast on the anti-Trump train.


I dont see what the problem is with that, people keep saying its a problem, but any sensible campaigner would be happy to not rock the boat while the guy racing him is going around hammering holes into his.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
September 02 2016 04:12 GMT
#97587
It's not really status quo as much as a slow degradation. I've seen enough of Hillary Clinton over the years to see what the result is of her policies being implemented - it might not cause everything to instantly implode but the nation will be worse off after her tenure than before, as it always has been.

Yes, things could be worse. But it's a shitty choice and people have been coerced into thinking that it's the only one they have. It's just shitty abuse of the "lesser of two evils" argument applied repetitively to put up shitty candidates and tell people that they should vote for those candidates because the opposition is worse.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-02 04:32:57
September 02 2016 04:32 GMT
#97588
Well democracy always produces the least shitty candidate, the system doesn't and can't produce some kind of messiah. It's incremental and slow by design
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 02 2016 05:36 GMT
#97589
So this is now 3 campaign managers in 5 months...?

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
September 02 2016 06:56 GMT
#97590
On September 01 2016 15:49 NukeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 12:26 kwizach wrote:
On September 01 2016 12:24 xDaunt wrote:
On September 01 2016 12:19 oBlade wrote:
On September 01 2016 12:13 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Nobody's going to give a flying fuck about the speech. Only thing that will get significant news media play is "he said/he said" drama over his meeting in Mexico, and the Johnson supporters he needs stopped tuning into his rallies long ago. Nothing exciting or different happened in the speech at all.

Does he need Johnson supporters or isn't there a way to attack Hillary until enough people defect to him and Stein?

Trump's within striking distance already. He's one good Wikileaks email dump away from burying Hillary, and he may not even need it when it's all said and done.

Are you ready to bet on the result of the election yet?

Yes. If Trump wins you get a 1 year ban and if Hillary wins i get 1 year ban. Deal?

So what will it be?
sorry for dem one liners
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
September 02 2016 07:11 GMT
#97591
On September 02 2016 13:32 Nyxisto wrote:
Well democracy always produces the least shitty candidate, the system doesn't and can't produce some kind of messiah. It's incremental and slow by design

It's not really related to democracy though, but more to a combination of a two-party system, a heavily presidential system, a huge country that necessitates big coalitions just to put up a single candidate in the national race, the lack of cardinal voting systems, the lack of any system guaranteeing equality of the different's candidates media presence, etc. Democracy can - and should be - about the most inspiring candidate, not about the least uninspiring one. But for that you'd need to get out of systems that were drawn up in the 18th century.
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-02 07:51:42
September 02 2016 07:51 GMT
#97592
apparently "illegal immigrants" is an incendiary term according to Gary Johnson because it just is
© Current year.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9122 Posts
September 02 2016 08:21 GMT
#97593
While I personally find libertarianism to be a joke, this stance on the issue is about the only one you can expect from a party that calls itself such. Not surprising or PC at all, just sticking to one of the very few hard lines (free movement of labour and capital) in their otherwise vague ideology.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21699 Posts
September 02 2016 09:04 GMT
#97594
On September 02 2016 12:23 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2016 12:03 LegalLord wrote:
On September 02 2016 09:27 Danglars wrote:
She's not policies, she's not experience, she's the anti-Trump! Trump needs that outstanding debate performance to win because he is behind and he hasn't been campaigning in swing states hard. But if Hillary has a bad show she'll suffer hard.

One of the most dangerous things about Trump is that Hillary is convinced that she can be any degree of shitty president as long as she can just convince people that she isn't Trump so it's automatically good and justified.


Has Hillary even given a compelling reason to vote for her yet? Her message is mostly focused on the status quo and voting against Trump, both of which are problematic in terms of engendering real support for her.

I'm not convinced America wants to talk about policies in the first place.

It seems like anything that cannot be condensed into a 2 second soundbite is ignored.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
September 02 2016 09:17 GMT
#97595
On September 02 2016 15:56 NukeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 15:49 NukeD wrote:
On September 01 2016 12:26 kwizach wrote:
On September 01 2016 12:24 xDaunt wrote:
On September 01 2016 12:19 oBlade wrote:
On September 01 2016 12:13 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Nobody's going to give a flying fuck about the speech. Only thing that will get significant news media play is "he said/he said" drama over his meeting in Mexico, and the Johnson supporters he needs stopped tuning into his rallies long ago. Nothing exciting or different happened in the speech at all.

Does he need Johnson supporters or isn't there a way to attack Hillary until enough people defect to him and Stein?

Trump's within striking distance already. He's one good Wikileaks email dump away from burying Hillary, and he may not even need it when it's all said and done.

Are you ready to bet on the result of the election yet?

Yes. If Trump wins you get a 1 year ban and if Hillary wins i get 1 year ban. Deal?

So what will it be?

I replied to you on the same page as your post -- I'm already waiting on xDaunt and/or GreenHorizons for a ban bet. I'm fine with a money bet, though, if you'd like.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
September 02 2016 09:33 GMT
#97596
On September 02 2016 18:17 kwizach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2016 15:56 NukeD wrote:
On September 01 2016 15:49 NukeD wrote:
On September 01 2016 12:26 kwizach wrote:
On September 01 2016 12:24 xDaunt wrote:
On September 01 2016 12:19 oBlade wrote:
On September 01 2016 12:13 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Nobody's going to give a flying fuck about the speech. Only thing that will get significant news media play is "he said/he said" drama over his meeting in Mexico, and the Johnson supporters he needs stopped tuning into his rallies long ago. Nothing exciting or different happened in the speech at all.

Does he need Johnson supporters or isn't there a way to attack Hillary until enough people defect to him and Stein?

Trump's within striking distance already. He's one good Wikileaks email dump away from burying Hillary, and he may not even need it when it's all said and done.

Are you ready to bet on the result of the election yet?

Yes. If Trump wins you get a 1 year ban and if Hillary wins i get 1 year ban. Deal?

So what will it be?

I replied to you on the same page as your post -- I'm already waiting on xDaunt and/or GreenHorizons for a ban bet. I'm fine with a money bet, though, if you'd like.

Oh sry I missed that. Nvm then.
sorry for dem one liners
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-02 09:53:42
September 02 2016 09:53 GMT
#97597
On September 02 2016 18:04 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2016 12:23 xDaunt wrote:
On September 02 2016 12:03 LegalLord wrote:
On September 02 2016 09:27 Danglars wrote:
She's not policies, she's not experience, she's the anti-Trump! Trump needs that outstanding debate performance to win because he is behind and he hasn't been campaigning in swing states hard. But if Hillary has a bad show she'll suffer hard.

One of the most dangerous things about Trump is that Hillary is convinced that she can be any degree of shitty president as long as she can just convince people that she isn't Trump so it's automatically good and justified.


Has Hillary even given a compelling reason to vote for her yet? Her message is mostly focused on the status quo and voting against Trump, both of which are problematic in terms of engendering real support for her.

I'm not convinced America wants to talk about policies in the first place.

It seems like anything that cannot be condensed into a 2 second soundbite is ignored.

Scott Adams interview from today describes it pretty well (33 minute segment)
© Current year.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-02 10:31:27
September 02 2016 10:30 GMT
#97598
Scott "Women control sex and its not fair consent exist" Adams should keep to writing Dilbert and leaving his political views a mystery. Though that comic is a lot darker now that I know all the things he thinks about women.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18828 Posts
September 02 2016 10:59 GMT
#97599
I don't understand why Adams got political all of a sudden, he's clearly out of his depth.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 02 2016 11:03 GMT
#97600
He got really weird a couple years ago and started writing how consent in sex was anti-male and shit got dark after that. It is tough to tell, but I don't think he would be flipping his shit so bad if it was a woman running.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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