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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 01 2016 03:24 GMT
#97461
On September 01 2016 12:19 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 12:13 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Nobody's going to give a flying fuck about the speech. Only thing that will get significant news media play is "he said/he said" drama over his meeting in Mexico, and the Johnson supporters he needs stopped tuning into his rallies long ago. Nothing exciting or different happened in the speech at all.

Does he need Johnson supporters or isn't there a way to attack Hillary until enough people defect to him and Stein?

Trump's within striking distance already. He's one good Wikileaks email dump away from burying Hillary, and he may not even need it when it's all said and done.
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
September 01 2016 03:26 GMT
#97462
On September 01 2016 12:24 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 12:19 oBlade wrote:
On September 01 2016 12:13 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Nobody's going to give a flying fuck about the speech. Only thing that will get significant news media play is "he said/he said" drama over his meeting in Mexico, and the Johnson supporters he needs stopped tuning into his rallies long ago. Nothing exciting or different happened in the speech at all.

Does he need Johnson supporters or isn't there a way to attack Hillary until enough people defect to him and Stein?

Trump's within striking distance already. He's one good Wikileaks email dump away from burying Hillary, and he may not even need it when it's all said and done.

Are you ready to bet on the result of the election yet?
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-01 03:41:23
September 01 2016 03:33 GMT
#97463
On September 01 2016 12:19 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 12:13 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Nobody's going to give a flying fuck about the speech. Only thing that will get significant news media play is "he said/he said" drama over his meeting in Mexico, and the Johnson supporters he needs stopped tuning into his rallies long ago. Nothing exciting or different happened in the speech at all.

Does he need Johnson supporters or isn't there a way to attack Hillary until enough people defect to him and Stein?


I think he absolutely needs Johnson supporters. The people he turned off with Khan comments and general jackassery the week after the DNC flocked to Johnson.

The anti-Hillaryites are all priced into the polls at this point I think. Trump brings nothing to the table attacking her that hasn't been brought by legions of others for decades-none of his attacks have even scratched her (it was all the FBI, nothing Trump did). It will all be acts of God, nothing he can do on that front whatsoever.

(I personally believe Trump's attacks on his opponents in the primary have almost all also been totally ineffectual and that it has been mostly acts of God and feet in mouth by his opponents that sealed his nomination as well, mind you, so I don't think he has really cut his teeth on the offence)

We could see though. Anything's possible.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 01 2016 03:35 GMT
#97464


I enjoy the subtlety of this tweet.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
September 01 2016 03:44 GMT
#97465
On September 01 2016 12:23 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 12:19 oBlade wrote:
On September 01 2016 12:13 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Nobody's going to give a flying fuck about the speech. Only thing that will get significant news media play is "he said/he said" drama over his meeting in Mexico, and the Johnson supporters he needs stopped tuning into his rallies long ago. Nothing exciting or different happened in the speech at all.

Does he need Johnson supporters or isn't there a way to attack Hillary until enough people defect to him and Stein?


johnson is actually kind of sane and a real politician. stein is a self-aggrandizing nutjob with a grudge against the dem party. that is to say, one is an actual candidate for president albeit a third party one in a two party system, and the other is a crackpot.

Right now Stein is basically advertising herself as "the leftist candidate for people who don't like Hillary Clinton."

I've generally been very suspicious of "Green Party" candidates all over the world because they're generally pretty short-sighted, policy-wise.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 01 2016 03:50 GMT
#97466
This speech was to his base not any other.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44368 Posts
September 01 2016 03:57 GMT
#97467
On September 01 2016 11:29 biology]major wrote:
Trump is killing it with this speech. Right after the Mexico visit, hope he gets a bump from this


"It" being his campaign? Because yeah, he's dead now.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 01 2016 04:07 GMT
#97468
This cartoon summarizes Trump:

[image loading]

1: Oh, he's riding the bike! He's so presidential! He didn't make a complete ass of himself in Mexico!
2: Wait what are you doing with that bar? Donald why are giving this speech in Arizona?
3: Dammit he fell. Rigged! Crooked Shillary!
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
September 01 2016 04:40 GMT
#97469
Yeah if anyone wants to bet on Trump hit me up
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
September 01 2016 05:51 GMT
#97470
I'm not really sure what the hell the Mexican president was thinking inviting him there to begin with. Did he think Big Don wouldnt come? All very odd.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
September 01 2016 06:20 GMT
#97471
On September 01 2016 14:51 DannyJ wrote:
I'm not really sure what the hell the Mexican president was thinking inviting him there to begin with. Did he think Big Don wouldnt come? All very odd.

Mexican president meets with Trump, nothing comes from the meeting, he walks out looking like a man who can deal with the big angry American.

Question is what Trump actually thought would come out of this.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5609 Posts
September 01 2016 06:24 GMT
#97472
On September 01 2016 15:20 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 14:51 DannyJ wrote:
I'm not really sure what the hell the Mexican president was thinking inviting him there to begin with. Did he think Big Don wouldnt come? All very odd.

Mexican president meets with Trump, nothing comes from the meeting, he walks out looking like a man who can deal with the big angry American.

Question is what Trump actually thought would come out of this.

They both benefited, he looks like he can stand up to the orange guy like you said, while Trump answers the charge that he couldn't meet a foreign leader without turning into a donkey (and not in the Democratic sense).
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-01 06:28:42
September 01 2016 06:27 GMT
#97473
On September 01 2016 15:24 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 15:20 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On September 01 2016 14:51 DannyJ wrote:
I'm not really sure what the hell the Mexican president was thinking inviting him there to begin with. Did he think Big Don wouldnt come? All very odd.

Mexican president meets with Trump, nothing comes from the meeting, he walks out looking like a man who can deal with the big angry American.

Question is what Trump actually thought would come out of this.

They both benefited, he looks like he can stand up to the orange guy like you said, while Trump answers the charge that he couldn't meet a foreign leader without turning into a donkey (and not in the Democratic sense).


Yeah he just turned into an orange baboon. The Triple down is real. Im surprised no ones trying to cash on this shit shamelessly like some food chain. "the triple down" sounds like a nice name for a burger or some...
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
September 01 2016 06:28 GMT
#97474
How exactly did it look like he stood up to Trump? Seems like all he did was stand next to Trump, then only later when Donald was long gone did he seem to rebuke his ideas.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-01 06:33:06
September 01 2016 06:29 GMT
#97475
On September 01 2016 15:24 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 15:20 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On September 01 2016 14:51 DannyJ wrote:
I'm not really sure what the hell the Mexican president was thinking inviting him there to begin with. Did he think Big Don wouldnt come? All very odd.

Mexican president meets with Trump, nothing comes from the meeting, he walks out looking like a man who can deal with the big angry American.

Question is what Trump actually thought would come out of this.

They both benefited, he looks like he can stand up to the orange guy like you said, while Trump answers the charge that he couldn't meet a foreign leader without turning into a donkey (and not in the Democratic sense).

Up until, you know, he talks about the meeting after and looks like a donkey then.

On September 01 2016 15:28 DannyJ wrote:
How exactly did it look like he stood up to Trump? Seems like all he did was stand next to Trump, then only later when Donald was long gone did he seem to rebuke his ideas.

Well, when Trump goes around telling people he'll make Mexico do something, they meet, and nothing happens, that generally looks good for the side that was supposed to be bullied around.

Americans won't care, but I imagine Mexicans can have a good laugh about it.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
September 01 2016 06:49 GMT
#97476
On September 01 2016 12:26 kwizach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 12:24 xDaunt wrote:
On September 01 2016 12:19 oBlade wrote:
On September 01 2016 12:13 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Nobody's going to give a flying fuck about the speech. Only thing that will get significant news media play is "he said/he said" drama over his meeting in Mexico, and the Johnson supporters he needs stopped tuning into his rallies long ago. Nothing exciting or different happened in the speech at all.

Does he need Johnson supporters or isn't there a way to attack Hillary until enough people defect to him and Stein?

Trump's within striking distance already. He's one good Wikileaks email dump away from burying Hillary, and he may not even need it when it's all said and done.

Are you ready to bet on the result of the election yet?

Yes. If Trump wins you get a 1 year ban and if Hillary wins i get 1 year ban. Deal?
sorry for dem one liners
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5609 Posts
September 01 2016 06:58 GMT
#97477
On September 01 2016 15:28 DannyJ wrote:
How exactly did it look like he stood up to Trump? Seems like all he did was stand next to Trump, then only later when Donald was long gone did he seem to rebuke his ideas.

He didn't stand up to Trump because that's not how politics goes, but he can say/suggest it at home - I assume Mexican papers will be talking about how the orange man met with the president, who compared him to dictators before, and didn't say rapist once and the president made it very clear Mexico wouldn't pay for any wall (as though someone in the Mexican government has veto power on US tariffs). It's a style thing in that way.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-01 08:40:44
September 01 2016 07:39 GMT
#97478
On September 01 2016 12:13 xDaunt wrote:
He's making the hard emotional sell. You may find the rhetoric distasteful, but I promise you that this is very well-calculated to maximize the effect that he's looking for.

The reason leftists find this racist is because a lot of the people who buy what he's selling are actual racists: the David Dukes, the white supremacists who think that Trump represents them (regardless of whether he does nor not), etc.. I personally don't really buy that this makes Trump racist, but I still think it's stupid that anyone gives a damn about those people.

He shouldn't need to sell to those people to win the election given how poor of a candidate Hillary is, but he's doing it anyway. If you don't need them to win the election, then disavow them straight up.
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-01 11:48:00
September 01 2016 11:42 GMT
#97479
On September 01 2016 12:24 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 12:19 oBlade wrote:
On September 01 2016 12:13 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Nobody's going to give a flying fuck about the speech. Only thing that will get significant news media play is "he said/he said" drama over his meeting in Mexico, and the Johnson supporters he needs stopped tuning into his rallies long ago. Nothing exciting or different happened in the speech at all.

Does he need Johnson supporters or isn't there a way to attack Hillary until enough people defect to him and Stein?

Trump's within striking distance already. He's one good Wikileaks email dump away from burying Hillary, and he may not even need it when it's all said and done.


we can only hope wikileaks comes through in the clutch. I wonder what their timing will be. Also HRC would be buried already if johnson wasn't stealing so many trump voters.
Question.?
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-01 11:51:14
September 01 2016 11:46 GMT
#97480
On September 01 2016 15:49 NukeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 12:26 kwizach wrote:
On September 01 2016 12:24 xDaunt wrote:
On September 01 2016 12:19 oBlade wrote:
On September 01 2016 12:13 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Nobody's going to give a flying fuck about the speech. Only thing that will get significant news media play is "he said/he said" drama over his meeting in Mexico, and the Johnson supporters he needs stopped tuning into his rallies long ago. Nothing exciting or different happened in the speech at all.

Does he need Johnson supporters or isn't there a way to attack Hillary until enough people defect to him and Stein?

Trump's within striking distance already. He's one good Wikileaks email dump away from burying Hillary, and he may not even need it when it's all said and done.

Are you ready to bet on the result of the election yet?

Yes. If Trump wins you get a 1 year ban and if Hillary wins i get 1 year ban. Deal?

I don't see you enough on these forums to go for a ban bet with you, but I'll be perfectly fine with a one year (or more) ban bet with xDaunt if he's willing to go for it I offered to bet on the general election back in February, and he said he'd probably agree after the conventions.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
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