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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 01 2016 12:00 oBlade wrote: They're the ones who said "If Trump had been president in 2011 my whatever would still be alive." Still changes nothing about what I said. He has convinced them he could have been and is their savior. He will take back their country and save them. He is a con-artist who loves himself most of all. I am sure he is very happy to hear them tell him that he could have saved their loved ones. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 01 2016 11:57 Sermokala wrote: So you see demonizing an entire race group based on their potential immigration status is equivalent to platitudes about environmentalism? One could cause widespread race based hate crimes and the other might cause people to want to save the environment. Keep in mind that, unlike most of the people around here, I don't see sane immigration policy as being innately racist. Nor do I interpret Trump's comments as "demonizing another race." I certainly get why liberals wants to construe it that way, but I'm not buying it, just like I don't buy the argument that Trump is instigating racial violence with his speeches. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
And no deporting 11 million people is still not sane | ||
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Introvert
United States4999 Posts
On September 01 2016 12:01 biology]major wrote: basically if you are a non-criminal illegal(lol that makes no sense but w/e) nothing will happen to you for a while, and you have no path for legal status unless you leave and come back. He still wasn't the same. But some things he said were good. But this thread's panic about the next fascist dictatorship is reaching incredible heights. Combine that with these tweets from so many left-wing journalists who are apparently so blinded by hatred of the man that they turn off their brain and we truly have a sight to behold. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9223 Posts
On September 01 2016 12:02 ticklishmusic wrote: looks like trump kept it in for his appearance in mexico only to spew it all over in arizona. He kept it in for a few weeks during which he closed half the gap in the polls, only to shoot himself in the foot again for no apparent reason. Soon people will seriously entertain the idea that he doesn't want to win. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14155 Posts
On September 01 2016 12:04 xDaunt wrote: Keep in mind that, unlike most of the people around here, I don't see sane immigration policy as being innately racist. Nor do I interpret Trump's comments as "demonizing another race." I certainly get why liberals wants to construe it that way, but I'm not buying it, just like I don't buy the argument that Trump is instigating racial violence with his speeches. and I don't see sane immigration policy as racist either. Trump was saying that "immigration security" was the full stop number one priority for the safty of the nation. Hes depicted the same ilegal Mexican immigrants as rapists and murderers. Hes said that this next election is the last opportunity we have to save the nation from ilegal immigrants. So that means that mexicans are a direct threat to america that kills people and here are the parents of those people who've been murdered to tell you about it. There has to be a line where you have to draw where his comments are demonizing Mexican american immigrants and he has to have crossed it with any reasonable person by now. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On September 01 2016 12:05 Plansix wrote: XDaunt doesn't believe in racism. We wiped it out, like polio. That isn't what he said. You can argue he is naive (or willfully ignorant) on immigration policy and social effects but going that far is too much. Personally I think that if you really buy the American Spirit when it comes to immigrants they teach us in school then you would not support his policies. In fact you would call them very un-american. | ||
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oBlade
United States6275 Posts
On September 01 2016 12:03 Plansix wrote: Still changes nothing about what I said. He has convinced them he could have been and is their savior. He will take back their country and save them. He is a con-artist who loves himself most of all. I am sure he is very happy to hear them tell him that he could have saved their loved ones. Their support is invalid because the orange devil tricked them, they're not responsible for choosing to endorse someone. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 01 2016 12:07 Dan HH wrote: He kept it in for a few weeks during which he closed half the gap in the polls, only to shoot himself in the foot again for no apparent reason. Soon people will seriously entertain the idea that he doesn't want to win. He couldn't keep it up for that long. He has to "be himself" as he said. He doesn't even want to prep for debates. We will hear more about rigged polls and media in the next couple days after the fall out from this speech. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 01 2016 12:07 Dan HH wrote: He kept it in for a few weeks during which he closed half the gap in the polls, only to shoot himself in the foot again for no apparent reason. Soon people will seriously entertain the idea that he doesn't want to win. Actually, I think that his numbers are going to continue to improve after this speech. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 01 2016 12:09 Sermokala wrote: and I don't see sane immigration policy as racist either. Trump was saying that "immigration security" was the full stop number one priority for the safty of the nation. Hes depicted the same ilegal Mexican immigrants as rapists and murderers. Hes said that this next election is the last opportunity we have to save the nation from ilegal immigrants. So that means that mexicans are a direct threat to america that kills people and here are the parents of those people who've been murdered to tell you about it. There has to be a line where you have to draw where his comments are demonizing Mexican american immigrants and he has to have crossed it with any reasonable person by now. He's making the hard emotional sell. You may find the rhetoric distasteful, but I promise you that this is very well-calculated to maximize the effect that he's looking for. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
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Dan HH
Romania9223 Posts
On September 01 2016 12:11 xDaunt wrote: Actually, I think that his numbers are going to continue to improve after this speech. Of course you do. But that's not congruent with what happened the last time he pulled this rhetoric out. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 01 2016 12:13 TheTenthDoc wrote: Nobody's going to give a flying fuck about the speech. Only thing that will get significant news media play is "he said/he said" drama over his meeting in Mexico, and the Johnson supporters he needs stopped tuning into his rallies long ago. Nothing exciting or different happened in the speech at all. Agreed. This will change no ones votes at this point. The majority of the US does not want a hard line stance on illegal immigration. He is just going back to the well to feed off the crowds excitement. Trump feels that will carry him to victory. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 01 2016 12:17 Dan HH wrote: Of course you do. But that's not congruent with what happened the last time he pulled this rhetoric out. Actually, his poll numbers went up quite nicely until he set his campaign on fire by going after Khan. | ||
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oBlade
United States6275 Posts
On September 01 2016 12:13 TheTenthDoc wrote: Nobody's going to give a flying fuck about the speech. Only thing that will get significant news media play is "he said/he said" drama over his meeting in Mexico, and the Johnson supporters he needs stopped tuning into his rallies long ago. Nothing exciting or different happened in the speech at all. Does he need Johnson supporters or isn't there a way to attack Hillary until enough people defect to him and Stein? | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On September 01 2016 12:19 oBlade wrote: Does he need Johnson supporters or isn't there a way to attack Hillary until enough people defect to him and Stein? johnson is actually kind of sane and a real politician. stein is a self-aggrandizing nutjob with a grudge against the dem party. that is to say, one is an actual candidate for president albeit a third party one in a two party system, and the other is a crackpot. | ||
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