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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 01 2016 02:41 GMT
#97421
On September 01 2016 11:39 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 11:36 xDaunt wrote:
The fearmongering in here is hilarious.

You really did just not show up on the day they handed out the self awareness.

He is the most non-partisan of all of us. Don't question one that is so superior to you.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-01 02:42:44
September 01 2016 02:41 GMT
#97422
On September 01 2016 11:36 xDaunt wrote:
The fearmongering in here is hilarious.


In his speech? I agree. Though scarey may be more apt.

Edit: damn, beat to it.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
September 01 2016 02:41 GMT
#97423
On September 01 2016 11:37 oBlade wrote:
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On September 01 2016 11:32 zlefin wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:29 biology]major wrote:
Trump is killing it with this speech. Right after the Mexico visit, hope he gets a bump from this

mostly seems like more of the usual to me. His supporters love it, other people find way to many issues to take issue with.
Not bad as a speech I reckon, setting aside the vast flaws in the ideas.

Tomorrow MSNBC will tell us how dark it was that he raised issues the people care about.


Is lying about our immigration system the best way to raise issues people care about?
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-01 02:46:52
September 01 2016 02:42 GMT
#97424
Remember the majority of illegal immigrants are actually Asians and not Mexicans.

And they contribute much more to the social safety net then they take out due to lack of registration for government benefits.

and to the economy with dirt cheap labor for jobs Americans don't want even before the terrible wages it would need to justify for them.

Words can't express properly just how bad this is in so many ways.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 01 2016 02:44 GMT
#97425
On September 01 2016 11:41 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 11:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
This is disgusting. I didn't think would even sink to this.

You mean like Mothers of the Movement?

This was exactly my thought. And don't forget about how often they trot out the family members of gun violence victims.
CobaltBlu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States919 Posts
September 01 2016 02:44 GMT
#97426
I'm sure Nieto is regretting standing on a stage with this guy today.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 01 2016 02:44 GMT
#97427
On September 01 2016 11:41 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 11:37 oBlade wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:32 zlefin wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:29 biology]major wrote:
Trump is killing it with this speech. Right after the Mexico visit, hope he gets a bump from this

mostly seems like more of the usual to me. His supporters love it, other people find way to many issues to take issue with.
Not bad as a speech I reckon, setting aside the vast flaws in the ideas.

Tomorrow MSNBC will tell us how dark it was that he raised issues the people care about.


Is lying about our immigration system the best way to raise issues people care about?

For Trump, lying is always the answer. His supporters dislike truth.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
September 01 2016 02:44 GMT
#97428
On September 01 2016 11:44 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 11:41 oBlade wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
This is disgusting. I didn't think would even sink to this.

You mean like Mothers of the Movement?

This was exactly my thought. And don't forget about how often they trot out the family members of gun violence victims.


empathy only for leftist issues
Question.?
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6638 Posts
September 01 2016 02:45 GMT
#97429
On September 01 2016 11:42 Sermokala wrote:
Remember the majority of illegal immigrants are actually Asians and not Mexicans.

http://immigration.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000845

[image loading]

That didn't work.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 01 2016 02:46 GMT
#97430
On September 01 2016 11:44 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 11:44 xDaunt wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:41 oBlade wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
This is disgusting. I didn't think would even sink to this.

You mean like Mothers of the Movement?

This was exactly my thought. And don't forget about how often they trot out the family members of gun violence victims.


empathy only for leftist issues


Except they weren't saying that only one person and action could have saved their loved ones.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-01 02:49:30
September 01 2016 02:47 GMT
#97431
On September 01 2016 11:46 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 11:44 biology]major wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:44 xDaunt wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:41 oBlade wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
This is disgusting. I didn't think would even sink to this.

You mean like Mothers of the Movement?

This was exactly my thought. And don't forget about how often they trot out the family members of gun violence victims.


empathy only for leftist issues


Except they weren't saying that only one person and action could have saved their loved ones.

Trump is superman after all. He could have saved them all, if it wasn't for the evil democrats.

There is something really gross about taking someone and telling them you could have saved their loved ones, so they should support you. That is not a trick the democrats pull out. And it isn't empathy. It is the act of an experienced con-artist praying on grief.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-01 02:54:57
September 01 2016 02:52 GMT
#97432
On September 01 2016 11:46 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 11:44 biology]major wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:44 xDaunt wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:41 oBlade wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
This is disgusting. I didn't think would even sink to this.

You mean like Mothers of the Movement?

This was exactly my thought. And don't forget about how often they trot out the family members of gun violence victims.


empathy only for leftist issues


Except they weren't saying that only one person and action could have saved their loved ones.


Oh, so it's not okay for people to say that Trump could have saved their loved ones from criminal illegal immigrants. I'm just going to hazard a guess that you think it was okay for Obama to talk about how electing him would "be the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
September 01 2016 02:53 GMT
#97433
On September 01 2016 11:45 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 11:42 Sermokala wrote:
Remember the majority of illegal immigrants are actually Asians and not Mexicans.

http://immigration.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000845

[image loading]

That didn't work.

Thats for people who already live in the nation illegaly. The number of mexicans ilegaly living in america is actualy going down while the ammount of asians living in america ilegaly is going up.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/immigrants-to-u-s-from-china-top-those-from-mexico-1430699284
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 01 2016 02:55 GMT
#97434
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6638 Posts
September 01 2016 02:57 GMT
#97435
On September 01 2016 11:47 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 11:46 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:44 biology]major wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:44 xDaunt wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:41 oBlade wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
This is disgusting. I didn't think would even sink to this.

You mean like Mothers of the Movement?

This was exactly my thought. And don't forget about how often they trot out the family members of gun violence victims.


empathy only for leftist issues


Except they weren't saying that only one person and action could have saved their loved ones.

Trump is superman after all. He could have saved them all, if it wasn't for the evil democrats.

There is something really gross about taking someone and telling them you could have saved their loved ones, so they should support you. That is not a trick the democrats pull out. And it isn't empathy. It is the act of an experienced con-artist praying on grief.

Those people must have volunteered or agreed to speak. He's not supporting the 2nd amendment just so he can hold a gun to people's heads and force them to speak at rallies.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-01 02:59:30
September 01 2016 02:57 GMT
#97436
On September 01 2016 11:52 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 11:46 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:44 biology]major wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:44 xDaunt wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:41 oBlade wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
This is disgusting. I didn't think would even sink to this.

You mean like Mothers of the Movement?

This was exactly my thought. And don't forget about how often they trot out the family members of gun violence victims.


empathy only for leftist issues


Except they weren't saying that only one person and action could have saved their loved ones.


Oh, so it's not okay for people to say that Trump could have saved their loved ones from criminal illegal immigrants. I'm just going to hazard a guess that you think it was okay for Obama to talk about how electing him would "be the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."

So you see demonizing an entire race group based on their potential immigration status is equivalent to platitudes about environmentalism?

One could cause widespread race based hate crimes and the other might cause people to want to save the environment.
On September 01 2016 11:57 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 11:47 Plansix wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:46 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:44 biology]major wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:44 xDaunt wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:41 oBlade wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
This is disgusting. I didn't think would even sink to this.

You mean like Mothers of the Movement?

This was exactly my thought. And don't forget about how often they trot out the family members of gun violence victims.


empathy only for leftist issues


Except they weren't saying that only one person and action could have saved their loved ones.

Trump is superman after all. He could have saved them all, if it wasn't for the evil democrats.

There is something really gross about taking someone and telling them you could have saved their loved ones, so they should support you. That is not a trick the democrats pull out. And it isn't empathy. It is the act of an experienced con-artist praying on grief.

Those people must have volunteered or agreed to speak. He's not supporting the 2nd amendment just so he can hold a gun to people's heads and force them to speak at rallies.

hes presenting them right after saying this next election is the last chance we have before mass chaos and violence enculfs the nation. There is a difference that you are missing here.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 01 2016 02:58 GMT
#97437
On September 01 2016 11:57 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 11:47 Plansix wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:46 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:44 biology]major wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:44 xDaunt wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:41 oBlade wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
This is disgusting. I didn't think would even sink to this.

You mean like Mothers of the Movement?

This was exactly my thought. And don't forget about how often they trot out the family members of gun violence victims.


empathy only for leftist issues


Except they weren't saying that only one person and action could have saved their loved ones.

Trump is superman after all. He could have saved them all, if it wasn't for the evil democrats.

There is something really gross about taking someone and telling them you could have saved their loved ones, so they should support you. That is not a trick the democrats pull out. And it isn't empathy. It is the act of an experienced con-artist praying on grief.

Those people must have volunteered or agreed to speak. He's not supporting the 2nd amendment just so he can hold a gun to people's heads and force them to speak at rallies.

That changes nothing about what I said, but good just posting.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5065 Posts
September 01 2016 02:59 GMT
#97438
I mean I have my (many) issues with the speech, Trump's policies, and his trustworthiness, but this thread is some next level stuff.

And the funniest thing of all? Trump said almost nothing about non-criminal illegal aliens already here (I had to stop listening part way through, but from what I'm reading he didn't say anything explicitly). He still isn't primary Trump. He's politician-in-the-wind Trump. And people are still going wild.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6638 Posts
September 01 2016 03:00 GMT
#97439
On September 01 2016 11:58 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2016 11:57 oBlade wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:47 Plansix wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:46 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:44 biology]major wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:44 xDaunt wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:41 oBlade wrote:
On September 01 2016 11:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
This is disgusting. I didn't think would even sink to this.

You mean like Mothers of the Movement?

This was exactly my thought. And don't forget about how often they trot out the family members of gun violence victims.


empathy only for leftist issues


Except they weren't saying that only one person and action could have saved their loved ones.

Trump is superman after all. He could have saved them all, if it wasn't for the evil democrats.

There is something really gross about taking someone and telling them you could have saved their loved ones, so they should support you. That is not a trick the democrats pull out. And it isn't empathy. It is the act of an experienced con-artist praying on grief.

Those people must have volunteered or agreed to speak. He's not supporting the 2nd amendment just so he can hold a gun to people's heads and force them to speak at rallies.

That changes nothing about what I said, but good just posting.

They're the ones who said "If Trump had been president in 2011 my whatever would still be alive."
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-01 03:01:33
September 01 2016 03:01 GMT
#97440
On September 01 2016 11:59 Introvert wrote:
I mean I have my (many) issues with the speech, Trump's policies, and his trustworthiness, but this thread is some next level stuff.

And the funniest thing of all? Trump said almost nothing about non-criminal illegal aliens already here (I had to stop listening part way through, but from what I'm reading he didn't say anything explicitly). He still isn't primary Trump. He's politician-in-the-wind Trump. And people are still going wild.


basically if you are a non-criminal illegal(lol that makes no sense but w/e) nothing will happen to you for a while, and you have no path for legal status unless you leave and come back.

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