US Politics Mega-thread - Page 4876

On September 02 2016 00:45 LegalLord wrote:
I don't like ban bets. At the end of the day one person loses and the other doesn't get anything. I generally stick to sigbets, which at least give you gloating powers for the specified period of time.

On September 02 2016 00:47 Gorsameth wrote:

The only point of ban bets is to not have to deal with posters you find annoying.

Some Hispanic backers of Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump pulled their support after he stood by his hardline immigration stance and said anyone in the United States illegally would be subject to deportation if he were president.

Alfonso Aguilar, president of the Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles advocacy group, said on Thursday he felt "disappointed and misled" by a fiery Trump speech in Phoenix, Arizona on Wednesday that dashed the hopes of conservative Latinos that the businessman would soften his views on immigration.

While polls show a large majority of Hispanic voters oppose Trump, the withdrawal of support from among of his small group of Latino backers underscores how difficult it is for Trump to broaden his support with minorities and moderate voters.

Aguilar said he had expected Trump to take a more compassionate approach to people in the country illegally after recent signs that his position was softening as the Nov. 8 election approaches.

"For the last two months he said he was not going to deport people without criminal records. He actually said that he was going to treat undocumented immigrants without criminal records in a humane and compassionate way," Aguilar, the former chief of the U.S. Office of Citizenship under former Republican President George W. Bush, told CNN.

Aguilar said he opposed the policies of Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton but he was withdrawing support for Trump.

In his Phoenix address, flagged as a major policy speech, Trump said that the only path to legal status for illegal immigrants was to leave and apply for re-entry. He also repeated a campaign promise to build a wall at the U.S.-Mexico border, saying that country would pay for it.

Jacob Monty, a Texas attorney who advised Trump, said the New Yorker had appeared to be moving toward a "reasonable, pro-business" immigration plan.

"He rejected that tonight and so I must reject him," Monty wrote on Facebook on Wednesday night.

At an appearance in Ohio on Thursday, Trump again hammered home his tough message on illegal immigration.

"We are going to uphold the laws of the nation and defend our sovereignty and security and we are going to defend our border," he told the American Legion veterans' group in Cincinnati.

On September 02 2016 00:47 mahrgell wrote:

Are you sure he cares about winning?
If he wins, he would actually have to do something. Being president is actually work, not sure he could handle that. Also it would give everyone a possibility to measure him on his words. This can't be good. I think he comparing himself to Brexit is very telling. There the main figure heads were also shouting the loudest before, making the biggest splashes. Then they accidentally won and all went "Oups... shit... and now? Uhm... Let's gtfo..."

All he wants is to stand on the big stage, have some guys cheer for him, tell them how he is invincible and great, and how with him all evil would be gone. Then they all cheer again. Then he tells them, how only cheating could beat him, because he is oh so great. More cheering.
The he loses election, and can continue his scheme, crying about how only cheating was able to stop him and he told you so! More cheering here. And then whatever happens, and he can again claim, that with him that wouldn't have happened, but he was cheated, yadayada. Insert cheering dudes here.

The life of an always opposition politician. Must feel great, man.

On September 02 2016 00:47 Gorsameth wrote:

The only point of ban bets is to not have to deal with posters you find annoying.

On September 02 2016 00:51 biology]major wrote:


That's half the fun of this forum. If everyone was in agreement with robotic arguments it would be quite boring.

On September 02 2016 00:47 mahrgell wrote:

Are you sure he cares about winning?
If he wins, he would actually have to do something. Being president is actually work, not sure he could handle that. Also it would give everyone a possibility to measure him on his words. This can't be good. I think he comparing himself to Brexit is very telling. There the main figure heads were also shouting the loudest before, making the biggest splashes. Then they accidentally won and all went "Oups... shit... and now? Uhm... Let's gtfo..."

All he wants is to stand on the big stage, have some guys cheer for him, tell them how he is invincible and great, and how with him all evil would be gone. Then they all cheer again. Then he tells them, how only cheating could beat him, because he is oh so great. More cheering.
The he loses election, and can continue his scheme, crying about how only cheating was able to stop him and he told you so! More cheering here. And then whatever happens, and he can again claim, that with him that wouldn't have happened, but he was cheated, yadayada. Insert cheering dudes here.

The life of an always opposition politician. Must feel great, man.

On September 02 2016 00:51 biology]major wrote:


That's half the fun of this forum. If everyone was in agreement with robotic arguments it would be quite boring.

And as far as Johnson stealing votes, both candidates have the highest unfavorables in the history of the country right? I'm very surprised by that 538 article showing johnson stealing HRC votes though, wasn't expecting that. They must be the berniebros.

On September 02 2016 01:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:

If you had a British Parliamentary system he could probably be a career politician doing just this.

...or his party could get sick of him and actually remove him from leadership.

On September 02 2016 01:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:

If you had a British Parliamentary system he could probably be a career politician doing just this.

...or his party could get sick of him and actually remove him from leadership.

Several of Donald Trump’s most prominent Hispanic supporters are reconsidering their support following his major speech on immigration Wednesday.

Jacob Monty, an attorney based in Houston, resigned from the Republican candidate’s National Hispanic Advisory Council after hearing the speech in Phoenix, Politico reported early Thursday morning.

“I was a strong supporter of Donald Trump when I believed he was going to address the immigration problem realistically and compassionately,” Monty told the news site. “What I heard today was not realistic and not compassionate.”

After weeks of toying with “softening” his deportation-based approach to illegal immigration, the GOP nominee on Wednesday gave a speech in which he embraced the hard-line policies and incendiary rhetoric that defined his primary campaign. He said that anyone in the United States illegally would be subject to deportation and vowed to bolster security at the U.S.-Mexico border.

For many Hispanic conservatives like Monty, who had advocated passionately for Trump, the speech was not merely a disappointment, but a betrayal. They hoped the candidate would lay out a plan for dealing humanely with the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants already in the country, especially those with no involvement in violent crime.

Trump’s support among Latino voters is far beneath that of past Republican candidates, according to public polls, which presents a unique challenge for the mogul as he seeks to win key states — like Florida, Nevada and Colorado — with large Hispanic constituencies. On Thursday, Democrat Hillary Clinton’s campaign began to run ads in Arizona, a historically Republican state but with a large number of Latino voters.

[...]

Monty was one of the Latino leaders who attended the Aug. 20 meeting in Trump Tower where the billionaire mogul reportedly softened his tone on illegal immigration.

On September 02 2016 00:57 Gorsameth wrote:

A != B
There are enough people who post here that I don't agree with who are not annoying and who's views I enjoy reading (on most things)
But don't worry, your not one of those people.

On September 02 2016 02:05 On_Slaught wrote:
I guess the last two posted articles answer my question about if the speech hurt or helped with Hispanic support.

On September 02 2016 00:57 Gorsameth wrote:

A != B
There are enough people who post here that I don't agree with who are not annoying and who's views I enjoy reading (on most things)
But don't worry, your not one of those people.

On September 02 2016 02:07 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
I come on here to fight. The writing here is pretty good and people don't mind taking hard line positions and fighting them out. The combativeness is a feature in my mind.

AUGUSTA, Maine (NEWS CENTER) - - The Maine Legislature Senate Democratic Office said they are giving the Republican Party 24-Hours to meet or the democrats will act, to quote " deal with the fact that the governor is unable to fulfill the duties of office."

Speaker of the House Mark Eves said he wants a meeting with Legislative leaders from both parties to talk about removing the governor from office. And assistant house majority leader Sarah Gideon said democratic leaders are giving their republican counterparts 24 hours to come together.

According to the Maine Legislature press release, Senate Democratic Leader Alfond said Wednesday that legislative leaders from both parties must come together to determine Gov. Paul LePage’s future as the state’s chief executive.

“I plan to meet with President Thibodeau and my fellow legislative leaders from both parties in the House of Representatives as soon as possible to discuss coming back in for a special session to address the governor’s behavior and his unfitness for office.”

Interviews with three former models who had been signed to work for Trump Model Management all claim that not only did the agency actively bring models to the U.S. to work illegally without the proper visas necessary for such work, but it also helped models avoid compliance with immigration laws and housed models in tenementlike dorms while charging them exorbitant rent prices.

The women, two of whom agreed to speak on condition of anonymity, claim they were told by Trump Model Management to lie to customs officials when entering the U.S. about the nature of their travel to the country and where they would be living throughout their stay.

One of the models says that she repeatedly asked agency staffers when she would be able to work legally in the United States. After her questions were avoided for weeks, she says she was ultimately told two days before her scheduled departure for the U.S. to get a tourist visa — a visa that does not permit its holder to legally work — and the agency would work things out later. She says no further action was ever taken by the agency to secure the necessary visas and documentation for her to work legally.

All three also say Trump Model Management sponsored only legal work visas for its top moneymakers.

Additionally, they describe the Trump Model Management apartment as a two-floor, three-bedroom apartment in New York City’s East Village. A representative for the modeling agency lived on the ground floor in one of the bedrooms and the two remaining bedrooms were filled with a total of 5 sets of bunk beds, they say. A mattress on the floor of the common room provided an additional bed. The models say the apartment could be occupied by 11 or more models at a time, and they report paying $1,200 to $1,600 a month rent to Trump Model Management, not the landlord, to live in the crowded quarters, amounts far above the average rent prices at the time for a studio apartment in the same neighborhood.