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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On September 02 2016 12:27 Nyxisto wrote: I mean she pretty much has a lengthy policy program on pretty much any topic. it's not really her fault for nobody reading it, can't sum up every policy in a 140 character tweet. Just went to her site to learn her immigration policy and it turns out there is none?? | ||
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farvacola
United States18856 Posts
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On September 02 2016 20:30 farvacola wrote: Perhaps it's time to brush up on your website exploration skills then. Her immigration policy is clearly laid out on her campaign's site lol. oh ok, I did a cursory look on my phone. Will check again when I get some time. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28785 Posts
That said, I do think that while his insight on persuasion and that his moist robot theory of how humans are 'shaped' both have some merit, he's taken it too far and basically entirely discounts policy from the equation, and it largely looks like he's trying to backtrack from his 'trump is gonna win a landslide victory in the general election' prediction through saying that 'it wasn't wrong because I was wrong, but because Hillary consulted with persuasion master wizards because she realized I was right' or something to that effect. I basically think he thinks the persuasion tactics he describes are able to sway a much smaller percentage of the population than what he thinks is the case, especially in the case where an opinion of a person has already been formed. If Trump had been a blank slate prior to the election, perhaps the Scott Adams explanation would've had more to it, but his favorability ratings to me seem fairly consistent, and whether people like Trump or not seems to depend more upon whether they agree with his immigration policy than anything else, not whether they've been convinced that he's an unhinged fascist likely to start nuclear war. note: I didn't watch the linked youtube video, but I've read most of his persuasion blog series - without being particularly persuaded.  | ||
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farvacola
United States18856 Posts
On September 02 2016 20:42 biology]major wrote: oh ok, I did a cursory look on my phone. Will check again when I get some time. It's worth noting that Clinton largely supports Obama's policies as the status quo, so her immigration platform centers around suring up the DREAM Act, DACA, and DAPA while supposedly making the process "more humane." As blue-blooded as I may be, I won't hold my breath on that last bit lol. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28785 Posts
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6641 Posts
On September 02 2016 16:51 CorsairHero wrote: apparently "illegal immigrants" is an incendiary term according to Gary Johnson because it just is I think this guy's analysis is pretty sound | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On September 02 2016 21:47 jello_biafra wrote: I think this guy's analysis is pretty sound https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaWtUIAnnJo Its really really not. His analysis isnt anything a Trump fan wont tell you. He isnt telling you anything xDaunt and Oblade havent already implied or suggested for months now. | ||
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farvacola
United States18856 Posts
On September 02 2016 21:47 jello_biafra wrote: I think this guy's analysis is pretty sound + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaWtUIAnnJo No, he sounds like a whiny baby. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Gary Johnson just trumped them both :D | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
for trump supporters: + Show Spoiler + something I'm curious about in this thread. You can get another dem or rep of your choice basically. | ||
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gsgfdf
Greece2 Posts
On September 02 2016 22:36 biology]major wrote: for HRC supporters: + Show Spoiler + for trump supporters: + Show Spoiler + something I'm curious about in this thread. You can get another dem or rep of your choice basically. Obama is one of the options? ^^ | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 02 2016 22:24 Rebs wrote: Its really really not. His analysis isnt anything a Trump fan wont tell you. He isnt telling you anything xDaunt and Oblade havent already implied or suggested for months now. I'm not really sure why you say that. This guy has a completely different perspective than I do (I'll let oBlade speak for himself, but I suspect that he'd echo my comments). That said, I find his argument that Trump is the most "libertarian" candidate interesting, and I find it rather hard to disagree. And I also think that Hillary better matches the politics of the #neverTrump republicans (particularly those with neocon leanings) than Gary Johnson does. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
Nah, it's a fairly thoughtful analysis. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On September 02 2016 23:00 xDaunt wrote: I'm not really sure why you say that. This guy has a completely different perspective than I do (I'll let oBlade speak for himself, but I suspect that he'd echo my comments). That said, I find his argument that Drumpf is the most "libertarian" candidate interesting, and I find it rather hard to disagree. And I also think that Hillary better matches the politics of the #neverTrump republicans (particularly those with neocon leanings) than Gary Johnson does. I dont have the time or the inclination to break down why I think that, so I will just concede being wrong here. My apologies. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On September 02 2016 20:43 Liquid`Drone wrote: whether people like Trump or not seems to depend more upon whether they agree with his immigration policy than anything else Precisely, he's immigration-centric. His strongest base of support is in tribalistic white nationalists (of which King Birther Trump is probably one). To believe that can win a presidential election is just silly. Wishing I had bet on Hillary beating Trump last summer, when I predicted it  . | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On September 02 2016 23:00 xDaunt wrote: I'm not really sure why you say that. This guy has a completely different perspective than I do (I'll let oBlade speak for himself, but I suspect that he'd echo my comments). That said, I find his argument that Trump is the most "libertarian" candidate interesting, and I find it rather hard to disagree. And I also think that Hillary better matches the politics of the #neverTrump republicans (particularly those with neocon leanings) than Gary Johnson does. Can I get a timestamp on the "Trump as libertarian" bit? I kind of what to hear his thought process behind that, because I'm not sure I would characterize a single one of Trump's policies as libertarian (even his tax policies) and he's pretty much an anti-Roark/anti-John Galt. | ||
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