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On August 23 2016 02:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
TIL if you criticize a false cry of racism or sexism in this thread, the liberal masses will pick apart your posts and attack you on grounds of criticizing that any racism or sexism still exists.

Despite the fact that the two are very different statements, and me making one in no way shape or form necessitates the other

Social justice for all

I need to go I'm grumpy right now and not in the mood for this shit

tldr

-yes sexism and racism still exist. No, criticizing Clinton's stamina because she is old and has been photographed several times requiring assistance climbing stairs is not an instance of sexism.




Original post I criticized that you aren't allowed to criticize. Continue defending it

On August 23 2016 02:47 Falling wrote:

Don't get so huffy when people complain about you using InfoWars as a source. Yes, people can be quick to say 'x is a rag, source no good.' But I can think of few sources that are worse than Alex Jones, who is without doubt one of the most hyper-ventilating conspiracy theorist. He is either one of the most cynical and dishonest peddler and panderer of panic and lies or else one of the most undiscerning seekers of conspiracy, finding networks of evil in his own shadow. In any case, he is a bastion of bad thought.

In him, FEMA camps are death camps in waiting, 9/11 was an inside job, Bilderberg group runs the world, devil-worshiping pedofiles basically run the New World Order, some tornadoes are weaponized weather, typical fluoridation conspiracy. Big Pharma is part of the NWO, so naturally he's anti-vaxx, anti-GMO and into alternative medicine, most mass shootings in the US are orchestrated by the government in order to pass gun control laws.

Y2K, he had a running play by play of nuclear missiles being launched (5), claiming nuclear power plants were shut down (6-7), Russian helicopters are getting shot down. Fresno is blacked out, America is under siege. Notice all present tense, NOT future tense predictions. Don't remember those events? Welcome to Alex's Alternate Reality. (Oh, and Putin is a demon.) He was either cynically creating his own Orwell radio theatre as a fearmonger or else actually living in his own reality.

For heaven's sake, find me a better source and never, ever, ever use the InfoWars again. Do not trade skepticism for cynicism and a naive embracing of any alternative to MSM. Not any port in a storm will do.

On August 23 2016 02:57 Plansix wrote:

Yeah, jokes are hard on the internet sometimes.

On August 23 2016 02:56 Plansix wrote:
It is weird because the two posts that set you off were pretty light hearted and not attacking anyone specifically. Mine was mocking the traditional sexist questions asked by the media.

On August 23 2016 02:58 KwarK wrote:

Did you not attempt to suggest that really it was Hillary that was sexist because she was talking about sexism and you thought that she was attempting to exploit her gender for votes which is the ultimate sexism which you then used to dismiss Trump's garden variety sexism? Because that's the bit I compared to blaming blacks talking about racism for racism.

On August 23 2016 02:47 Danglars wrote:
Can she appear to be in good health to voters in the presidential debates? All the spin in the world will be no use to her if not.

Trump's tax records? Let's see an impartial panel of doctors examine Hillary and produce current health records. Trump's campaign might even call for it.

On August 23 2016 02:57 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:

its not weird, the alt-right gets triggered by this kind of liberal sarcasm all the time

On August 23 2016 03:05 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
pseudointellectual here; i don't believe that moderate's a meaningful term without further contexualization, and you calling yourself moderate doesn't really tell me much at all

i agree that there's something to be said for not always going to generalities in terms of talking about group marginalization, i.e., playing the sex or race card, but there's definitely truths to all the generalities at the same time

On August 23 2016 03:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:


No not at all

On August 23 2016 02:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
If you want to talk about sexism then Clinton's perpetual play of the gender card is just as sexist than any of the stupid remarks Trump has made about public breastfeeding, Rosie, etc

On August 23 2016 03:06 GGTeMpLaR wrote:


It's more useful than alt-right or regressive-left

Charlie Sykes’ conscience is nagging him.

Since last year, the most influential political talk show host in Wisconsin has found out just how hard it is to be a #NeverTrump conservative on right-wing radio. Ever since Sykes began denouncing Donald Trump on the air—which he does just about every time he talks about the presidential election—he’s strained his relationships with the listeners of his daily radio show.

Sykes’ many arguments with listeners over Donald Trump’s serial outrages have exposed in much of his audience a vein of thinking—racist, anti-constitutional, maybe even fascistic—that has shaken Sykes. It has left him questioning whether he and his colleagues in the conservative media played a role in paving the way for Trump’s surprising and unprecedented rise.

A few days before the Wisconsin congressional primary in early August, Sykes seized on remarks by Speaker of the House Paul Ryan’s opponent, Paul Nehlen, that raised the idea of deporting all Muslims, even American citizens. It’s the kind of inflammatory rhetoric that has become the norm during a presidential cycle that has featured Trump’s calls for immigration bans on Muslims, loyalty tests and mass deportations. A friendly and round-faced guy with glasses, Sykes, 61, doesn’t even try to conceal his disgust, but a large segment of his listeners, like Audrey from Oshkosh, are eager to defend ideas that Sykes believes violate fundamental conservative principles.

“Yeah! Let me make a comparison, and I don’t mean this in a bad way,” Audrey says. “They’re talking about phasing out breeding of pit bulls. Well, not all pit bulls are bad.”

“You’re comparing American citizens, Muslims, to rabid dogs,” Sykes responds.

“No, I’m saying, they’re talking about phasing out the breed because so many are bad. No one wants to phase out poodles! I mean, there’s no Lutherans doing this! We never know when one of these people are going to be radicalized.”

“One of these people,” says Sykes.

Sykes ends the call. He’s silent, broadcasting dead air. He looks upset, like he’s stopped breathing. He goes to a commercial break.

“OK, that doesn’t happen very often,” he says off-air. “I’m not usually absolutely speechless.” He says his listeners never talked like this until recently.

“Were these people that we actually thought were our allies?” he asks.

Sykes remains confident that Trump will lose badly in November, and he is equally fearful that Trump will drag longtime Republicans, like Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, down with him. This has Sykes thinking about the long-term future of the party and what might have precipitated its looming collapse. He wonders: Did “the faux outrage machine” of Breitbart.com and other right-wing outlets foment the noxious opinions that Trump has stoked so effectively on the trail?

“When I would deny that there was a significant racist component in some of the politics on our side, it was because the people I hung out with were certainly not,” Sykes says. “When suddenly, this rock is turned over, there is this—‘Oh shit, did I not see that?’

“I kind of had that reaction this morning, with that woman: Did we ignore this? There’s got to be some serious introspection, because of the things that we either didn’t see, or that we ignored, or that we enabled.”

On August 23 2016 03:08 KwarK wrote:

Please clarify what you meant by this for me.

On August 23 2016 02:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


Hillary is 68 and Trump is 70, so it would be quite the double standard to be overly critical of Hillary's age but not of Trump's age (and I'm pretty sure that women live a few years longer than men too, on average).

'You should vote for me and not him because I'm a female and he's a male'

On August 23 2016 03:18 Plansix wrote:


Clinton does not say this. You may see it as her saying that, but it is not what she says.