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Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.

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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24403 Posts
August 18 2016 15:17 GMT
#95401
In conclusion, we can trust scientific consensus when they tell us GMOs are safe.


The point you're missing is that "safety of GMO's" doesn't start and stop with consumption. Also it's clear you didn't see her answer the question about it from the town hall.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
August 18 2016 15:17 GMT
#95402
On August 19 2016 00:08 Dan HH wrote:


What the fuck is he talking about?


This looks like the Twitter version of Tourette's
TMagpie
Profile Joined June 2015
265 Posts
August 18 2016 15:21 GMT
#95403
On August 19 2016 00:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2016 23:10 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On August 18 2016 11:25 farvacola wrote:
Get single payer finally and take states out of the process entirely, I say.


Get votes to support it and it will. Its not like the DEMS were all "fuck single payer"


Not all of them, just enough to kill it. I don't remember any Democrats calling them out really either.


Dems had a majority but still failed to pass ACA and kept gutting it and gutting it. Was it to appease conservatives? Slightly--it was mostly being gutted to appease fellow democrats who wouldn't stand in line.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
August 18 2016 15:23 GMT
#95404
On August 19 2016 00:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
In conclusion, we can trust scientific consensus when they tell us GMOs are safe.


The point you're missing is that "safety of GMO's" doesn't start and stop with consumption. Also it's clear you didn't see her answer the question about it from the town hall.


Give me time stamps and I'll listen. Could not pay me to listen to that entire thing.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24403 Posts
August 18 2016 15:29 GMT
#95405
On August 19 2016 00:23 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2016 00:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
In conclusion, we can trust scientific consensus when they tell us GMOs are safe.


The point you're missing is that "safety of GMO's" doesn't start and stop with consumption. Also it's clear you didn't see her answer the question about it from the town hall.


Give me time stamps and I'll listen. Could not pay me to listen to that entire thing.


If you want to continue to opine from a place of ignorance, that's on you. Is this your way of admitting you've been dodging the issue around GMO safety going beyond consumption on purpose?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
August 18 2016 15:33 GMT
#95406
On August 19 2016 00:29 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2016 00:23 Mohdoo wrote:
On August 19 2016 00:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
In conclusion, we can trust scientific consensus when they tell us GMOs are safe.


The point you're missing is that "safety of GMO's" doesn't start and stop with consumption. Also it's clear you didn't see her answer the question about it from the town hall.


Give me time stamps and I'll listen. Could not pay me to listen to that entire thing.


If you want to continue to opine from a place of ignorance, that's on you. Is this your way of admitting you've been dodging the issue around GMO safety going beyond consumption on purpose?


I am not being presented with an argument. Present me with an argument and I'll address it. Telling someone to sit down and watch a 2 hour video or else admit ignorance is ridiculous. Addressing a 3rd candidate polling at less than 5% is already being generous. There are other things to discuss besides the green party's recent attempt. This isn't the first election with a green party candidate. It won't be the last. Politics in our country has continued as if the green party doesn't even exist for a long time.

As I said, if you can tell me which part of this video is relevant, I'll gladly watch it and address it.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24403 Posts
August 18 2016 15:37 GMT
#95407
On August 19 2016 00:33 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2016 00:29 GreenHorizons wrote:
On August 19 2016 00:23 Mohdoo wrote:
On August 19 2016 00:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
In conclusion, we can trust scientific consensus when they tell us GMOs are safe.


The point you're missing is that "safety of GMO's" doesn't start and stop with consumption. Also it's clear you didn't see her answer the question about it from the town hall.


Give me time stamps and I'll listen. Could not pay me to listen to that entire thing.


If you want to continue to opine from a place of ignorance, that's on you. Is this your way of admitting you've been dodging the issue around GMO safety going beyond consumption on purpose?


I am not being presented with an argument. Present me with an argument and I'll address it. Telling someone to sit down and watch a 2 hour video or else admit ignorance is ridiculous. Addressing a 3rd candidate polling at less than 5% is already being generous. There are other things to discuss besides the green party's recent attempt. This isn't the first election with a green party candidate. It won't be the last. Politics in our country has continued as if the green party doesn't even exist for a long time.

As I said, if you can tell me which part of this video is relevant, I'll gladly watch it and address it.


I'll take that as a yes then.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 18 2016 15:45 GMT
#95408
GH, when making an argument you are expected to provide mildly accurate citation. Even in law you can’t just cite an entire brief, you need to focus down to a specific paragraph and line. You can provide him with something beyond "Watch 2 hour video and guess which part I am referencing."
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-18 15:47:10
August 18 2016 15:45 GMT
#95409
On August 19 2016 00:37 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2016 00:33 Mohdoo wrote:
On August 19 2016 00:29 GreenHorizons wrote:
On August 19 2016 00:23 Mohdoo wrote:
On August 19 2016 00:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
In conclusion, we can trust scientific consensus when they tell us GMOs are safe.


The point you're missing is that "safety of GMO's" doesn't start and stop with consumption. Also it's clear you didn't see her answer the question about it from the town hall.


Give me time stamps and I'll listen. Could not pay me to listen to that entire thing.


If you want to continue to opine from a place of ignorance, that's on you. Is this your way of admitting you've been dodging the issue around GMO safety going beyond consumption on purpose?


I am not being presented with an argument. Present me with an argument and I'll address it. Telling someone to sit down and watch a 2 hour video or else admit ignorance is ridiculous. Addressing a 3rd candidate polling at less than 5% is already being generous. There are other things to discuss besides the green party's recent attempt. This isn't the first election with a green party candidate. It won't be the last. Politics in our country has continued as if the green party doesn't even exist for a long time.

As I said, if you can tell me which part of this video is relevant, I'll gladly watch it and address it.


I'll take that as a yes then.


I would take that as a, you dont want to be succinct in providing your evidence, I mean if you've seen it and you know where its been addressed. For all the effort you put in a couple of time stamps couldn't hurt.

He has a point. The burden of proof is not on him to sift through 2 hours of a video for evidence of a claim you are making. Unless all 2 hours are relevant which I believe to be a suspect thought at best.

zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
August 18 2016 15:45 GMT
#95410
I'm gonna side with mohdoo due to the support of the general principle. *uses endorse*
hmm, a pokemon with an "endorse" move, there's room there for some good comedy.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 18 2016 15:53 GMT
#95411
On August 19 2016 00:45 Rebs wrote:
He has a point. The burden of proof is not on him to sift through 2 hours of a video for evidence of a claim you are making. Unless all 2 hours are relevant which I believe to be a suspect thought at best.

I don't think he thinks all 2 hours are relevant, but that people should watch 2 hours of Jill Stein regardless.
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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
August 18 2016 15:54 GMT
#95412
On August 19 2016 00:21 TMagpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2016 00:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
On August 18 2016 23:10 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On August 18 2016 11:25 farvacola wrote:
Get single payer finally and take states out of the process entirely, I say.


Get votes to support it and it will. Its not like the DEMS were all "fuck single payer"


Not all of them, just enough to kill it. I don't remember any Democrats calling them out really either.


Dems had a majority but still failed to pass ACA and kept gutting it and gutting it. Was it to appease conservatives? Slightly--it was mostly being gutted to appease fellow democrats who wouldn't stand in line.


It was because they needed 100% of all democrats in the senate on board in order to pass it and thats a very tall order to get everyone in a party on board a single piece of legislation all because of the pointless and unneeded filibuster.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-18 15:56:00
August 18 2016 15:55 GMT
#95413
filibuster as a rule isn't inherently terrible; but it needs some restrictions and limits on usage to keep it reasonable. mostly it's the recent-ish changes to its use that are the problem. also a few codified tweaks are needed.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
TMagpie
Profile Joined June 2015
265 Posts
August 18 2016 15:57 GMT
#95414
On August 19 2016 00:53 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2016 00:45 Rebs wrote:
He has a point. The burden of proof is not on him to sift through 2 hours of a video for evidence of a claim you are making. Unless all 2 hours are relevant which I believe to be a suspect thought at best.

I don't think he thinks all 2 hours are relevant, but that people should watch 2 hours of Jill Stein regardless.


That's a different dialouge though right?

GMO bad, it's mentioned somewhere in this long VOD is very different from "Jill be the shit yo, watch this sick track where she lays down some truth, boom!"
TMagpie
Profile Joined June 2015
265 Posts
August 18 2016 16:00 GMT
#95415
On August 19 2016 00:54 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2016 00:21 TMagpie wrote:
On August 19 2016 00:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
On August 18 2016 23:10 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On August 18 2016 11:25 farvacola wrote:
Get single payer finally and take states out of the process entirely, I say.


Get votes to support it and it will. Its not like the DEMS were all "fuck single payer"


Not all of them, just enough to kill it. I don't remember any Democrats calling them out really either.


Dems had a majority but still failed to pass ACA and kept gutting it and gutting it. Was it to appease conservatives? Slightly--it was mostly being gutted to appease fellow democrats who wouldn't stand in line.


It was because they needed 100% of all democrats in the senate on board in order to pass it and thats a very tall order to get everyone in a party on board a single piece of legislation all because of the pointless and unneeded filibuster.


Not disagreeing with any given point. Just saying that the initial ACA was much grander and was gutted because Democrats have very little party loyalty.

Just look at the GOP congressmen supporting trump 2-3 months ago. Death on their faces like someone was ramming an iron star up their asses, and yet we're still able to say that they supported Trump. Because they understand party unity is to stand together.

Dems can't even agree on what a progressive law should be let alone ban together to push it.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 18 2016 16:03 GMT
#95416
The filibuster itself is a great tool to stop bad bills or for a minority opinion/view to be heard. I am reluctant to remove any tools that would limit the power of the minority in the senate, which is already pretty weak.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 18 2016 16:03 GMT
#95417
As it turns out, when the other side is completely crazy, being a "progressive" does not require you to be very progressive.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 18 2016 16:03 GMT
#95418
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
August 18 2016 16:09 GMT
#95419
On August 19 2016 01:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/dmedin11/status/766299013872250880

Congratulations on the first step back to a civilized society?
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
August 18 2016 16:10 GMT
#95420
On August 19 2016 01:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/dmedin11/status/766299013872250880

Wow. This is absolutely amazing. I am stunned. How is this not some enormous deal? The financial incentive to imprison people is an enormous hole in our progress as a society.
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